Potential WR Trade Targets

[DzRams]

That is just something McVay NEEDS to scheme around. Send him deep on every play, and the DB will at least hesitate, don't even ask Tutu to block much.

Not like Mumpfield lights the world on fire as a blocker, and he doesn't seem inclined to put both Puka and Whittington on the field together much if at all.

Its really not that difficult.....we use our TEs, we have two good backs, a top WR in the NFL and then we have a speed WR. Even without Davante and Ferguson, our overall collection of skill players is well above average.

I think that its more just Stafford regressing a bit due to age and, he an outlier season last year. Mumpfield ran a bad route on the INT, but there is still no way Stafford should throw that ball. He has missed several open receivers this year

See my post here:

Potential WR Trade Targets

How bout a 2027 2nd for Garrett Wilson? Solve WR2 for years and re-sign Puka of course. In a heart-beat (cap ramifications aside for the moment) but pretty sure the Jets could do much better.

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Scheming around his assets isn't McVay's strength.

 

[FrantikRam]

The funny part is you wanting to break down what Tutu does which I get, however Stafford just doesn't throw to him much and waiting for him to be utilized more when there's a long long history of McVay and Stafford not doing so, well it'll most likely be disappointing as usual. I think if we introduce another skilled vet along with Puka and Tutu hopefully getting playing time, then everyone would benefit. Tutu just will never be used like you and others like and I understand the frustration but it's what has factually happened over and over. I just don't see that changing anytime soon.

He only played 21 snaps yesterday, and I can't easily find it but I am fairly certain the Rams ran the ball on several of those plays, because we ran the ball a lot yesterday.

He would need to see the field more, but when he does, Stafford targets him a decent amount from what I can recall.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

So you're accusing me of being dishonest?

Let's see, Stefon Diggs.
The Vikings traded him to Buffalo, after 5 years, because he ran his mouth too much.
Buffalo traded him to Houston, after 4 years, because he ran his mouth too much.
Houston chose not to resign him, after 2 years.
New England chose not to resign him after just 1 year.
And now he's in Washington. Sure seems like he wears teams out to me.

The Rams passed probably because they don't want a diva (an aged and slowing diva) in the locker room.

Why didn't Tutu have more production? I don't know. Ask McVay.
In the first half the Rams rushed 5 times and passed 14 times. Tutu had 40 yards and the rest of the team had 50.
In the second half the Rams rushed 22 times and passed 11 times. Change of plans?

More than interesting that after a win, the usual suspects are still complaining.

No I'm just saying say you don't like him vs beating around the bush and making cancer comments. I don't need some long ass spelled out breakdown of why because quite honestly I get that stance. Some fans will be more willing to take on a risky player than others. That's pretty normal so I'm not knocking for it if that's what you think. So you're also upset that our passing game was ass yesterday and fans want better. Please tell me about how awesome our offense looked yesterday vs the lowly ass Chargers and why it gives you hope that we don't need reinforcements at WR at all?

 

[Rmfnlt]

I was at the game yesterday, and while a win is a win, that first half left me with serious concerns about our WR room. That first quarter and most of the second was some of the most dismal offense I've seen us play, and it exposed a scary lack of consistency.

To be fair, I don't want to place 100% of the blame on the WR corps. Stafford himself has seemed a bit off this year compared to last season, and the overall sample size on the field is just not clicking consistently right now. Adding a new receiver wouldn’t magically fix everything, but the depth issue is still glaring.

With Devante out long-term and Puka constantly fighting through injury woes, we are walking a razor-thin line. I'm praying we don't sustain another injury to Puka or the already banged-up TE room, because the offense is in trouble if Stafford has to rely on the rest of this group to carry a heavy load.

Les should make a move right now. We need to trade for a legit WR3 who can take the pressure off Puka today and potentially step up to the WR2 spot next year if Devante doesn't return. Leaning in on our running game is key, but if our passing looks like it did yesterday, opposing defenses will just key on the run and force us to pass. What we saw yesterday doesn't give me a lot of confidence moving forward with the schedule we have.

Another WR is certainly an option, but I'm just throwing out there that there might be another one:

We could become a run heavy team.
I know that's blasphemy to a lot of Rams fans who have embraced the pass to set up the throw strategy.

Rams are averaging 4.7 yards per rush. Good for 5th in the league.

Nearly half of all of Stafford's pass attempts were to Nacua. I said it before and I'll say it again, if they're making 11, 12, 13, 14 pass attempts to him every game, logic tells you that he's not going to make through the season uninjured (again).

Maybe flip the pass/run ratio to 60% run, 40% pass. Obviously, our offensive line is good. Feed them with more running. An OLineman would much prefer to line up and surge forward - winning the battle with the man in front of him, than be back peddling at the snap, looking around for anyone that might get to Stafford.

Just a thought.

 

[FrantikRam]

See my post here:

Potential WR Trade Targets

How bout a 2027 2nd for Garrett Wilson? Solve WR2 for years and re-sign Puka of course. In a heart-beat (cap ramifications aside for the moment) but pretty sure the Jets could do much better.

www.ramsondemand.com

Scheming around his assets isn't McVay's strength.

Saw that right after I posted mine. Completely agree....and its even more frustrating when it feels like McVay wants to take on the challenge of the defense knowing 80% of what we do will either be a run or a pass within 5 yards of the LOS.

Just sending Tutu deep alone and not targeting him will help open up the offense.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

He only played 21 snaps yesterday, and I can't easily find it but I am fairly certain the Rams ran the ball on several of those plays, because we ran the ball a lot yesterday.

He would need to see the field more, but when he does, Stafford targets him a decent amount from what I can recall.

Enough so Stafford only managed 157 passing yards because they were bracketing Puka all game long.....yeah, Tutu really made a difference. The Rams are running the ball more too because of a lack of passing game weapons is what I see. I have zero issues with Tutu and would hope they'd use him more but the pure fact is, they just don't for whatever odd ball reason.

 

[Ram65]

Because he can't be used as a blocker and thus creates a dilemma for McVay.

i get it. Last week Tutu had 25 snaps and ran 20 routes. From early data against the Chargers he had 22 snaps and ran 17 routes.

I've seen him block. He is an outside blocker/shielder. He not going to block like Whitt or Mump up the middle. Those two are going to run routes or get open like Tutu. With 3 WR sets he does not have to block much. The Rams have to run just enough to not give a tell.

 

[younghutch]

Stafford just locks on to Puka every play. He doesn't even seem to look anywhere else. Reminds me of Kupp on the SB winning drive.

Is this a McVay scheme issue or is Stafford just jittery and looking for his security blanket?

 

[Ram65]

Enough so Stafford only managed 157 passing yards because they were bracketing Puka all game long.....yeah, Tutu really made a difference. The Rams are running the ball more too because of a lack of passing game weapons is what I see. I have zero issues with Tutu and would hope they'd use him more but the pure fact is, they just don't for whatever odd ball reason.

"I have zero issues with Tutu and would hope they'd use him more"

OK that's what I've been say. I can't control what the Rams and Stafford do.

 

[Mojo Ram]

I think that everbody saw how stagnant the passing game was yesterday against a weak team.
We have some tough games on the horizon and will have to be better, if we want to win some of them.

The better coached defenses will definitely zero in on the short game Puka + run game. They have already adjusted to no downfield threat, it’s just that Stafford can make it work vs poor defenses.

 

[DzRams]

i get it. Last week Tutu had 25 snaps and ran 20 routes. From early data against the Chargers he had 22 snaps and ran 17 routes.

I've seen him block. He is an outside blocker/shielder. He not going to block like Whitt or Mump up the middle. Those two are going to run routes or get open like Tutu. With 3 WR sets he does not have to block much. The Rams have to run just enough to not give a tell.

I think McVay is pretty rigid in not wanting to give tells. If it was me, I'd have Tutu on the field for the majority of snaps, but his inability to block seems to be a big deal for McVay.

 

[DzRams]

...passing game was ass yesterday and fans want better. Please tell me about how awesome our offense looked yesterday vs the lowly ass Chargers and why it gives you hope that we don't need reinforcements at WR at all?

Reinforcements at WR would be great, but I think a bigger issue is with the scheme and the calls. See the chart below on the success out of 11 personnel versus 13 personnel.

Maybe we should be a running team and McVay should be leaning more into what's working best.


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[Pupped]

It means Puka or Kupp or both were out with injury. Where's the data?

I’m sure one or both were injured, so it’s similar to know.

I just looked through Tutu’s game logs.

 

[Pupped]

Reinforcements at WR would be great, but I think a bigger issue is with the scheme and the calls. See the chart below on the success out of 11 personnel versus 13 personnel.

Maybe we should be a running team and McVay should be leaning more into what's working best.


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I think there are multiple factors.

They ABSOLUTELY need to run a bunch of 13 no matter who is available.

I think you have to be able to successfully run 11 personnel as well, and I don’t think they can right now.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

"I have zero issues with Tutu and would hope they'd use him more"

OK that's what I've been say. I can't control what the Rams and Stafford do.

I know you've all said that and trust me, I get it but for whatever reason, the Rams just don't. Just think Stafford likes his bigger WRs that much better I guess.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Reinforcements at WR would be great, but I think a bigger issue is with the scheme and the calls. See the chart below on the success out of 11 personnel versus 13 personnel.

Maybe we should be a running team and McVay should be leaning more into what's working best.


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Gonna be an issue against teams with better run defense though which is why it helps to have the offensive versatility to change up based on opponents strengths and weaknesses. The Rams sorely lack that right now unfortunately.

 

[DzRams]

Gonna be an issue against teams with better run defense though which is why it helps to have the offensive versatility to change up based on opponents strengths and weaknesses. The Rams sorely lack that right now unfortunately.

Will it be an issue against better run defenses? And even if it will, they're still objectively better at running out of 13 than 11. This has been the case since McVay started using 13 last year.

In fact, McVay has described one of the benefits of 13 is that you have potentially three TEs who become extensions of the run game. As good as our WRs are at blocking, they are not 260 lb TEs.

I do agree with you on the benefits of versatility.

 

[dieterbrock]

Because he can't be used as a blocker and thus creates a dilemma for McVay.

That's a different topic.
Why he cant get 4 or 5 targets seems simple enough, he's out there running the routes

 

[DzRams]

That's a different topic.
Why he cant get 4 or 5 targets seems simple enough, he's out there running the routes

I'm saying that he's not out there much. To get a consistent 5 targets per game, he'd need to be out there for 50 snaps instead of 20. He's not out there for 50 snaps because of his blocking limitations.

 

[12intheBox]

What is it that our current WRs are not doing that someone from another team would be able to do better?

(Tutu, Whitt, Mumph, and I guess Daniels can be thrown in here)

Are they not getting open? Not blocking well enough? I'm not seeing a ton of drops - there are a few plays here and there and maybe they are just reading the defense wrong, running imprecise depths - but largely they just don't get looks. This makes me think that they aren't getting open - or that Staff just has no confidence in them and so he is going where he is going.

There are not many WRs who can really separate out there - and if we bring someone in - they need to be able to learn our offense and get on Staffords page quickly - we are 5-6 weeks from Adams being back - I'm wondering if this is a need that is actually going to be filled.

I like a savvy vet who can use his body - so a low cost scenario like Keenan Allen (who has been suggested a lot in this thread) makes sense - one of the younger disgruntled guys that gets talked about like BTJ not as much to me.