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Aaron Donald (9/9) $6.8M
MM uh MM HMM (throat clearing sounds) ....
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Aaron Donald (9/9) $6.8M
I would absolutely be thrilled if we could trade Barron. I think it's a best case scenario for us this offseason.
It's not that he's not a productive player, I just think we can get a net benefit by getting his costs off the books, spending that money elsewhere (maybe on Tru/Joyner AND a replacement LB) and getting a replacement for him without much drop off in production and perhaps even a bit more ability in run support from that spot.
I think this bears repeating: Saffold is not truly a backup LT to Whit. Insomuch as unless Whit comes up with a season ending injury, they're not gonna move Saffold for a handful of games. The disruption to the oline continuity isn't probably enough to warrant the benefit of having Saffold above others out at LT for just a few games.
I do think it is possible. Barron has value to a 4-3 team that has a need for WILL upgrade. He's very good in a chase role, and while he has a high cap hit ($10M next year) if a team sees him as an upgrade they'll see that it's also possible to cut bait if things don't work out, without costing them too much.
Doubt we get a premium pick for him, of course. But a midround pick would be nice.
@Merlin, I kinda feel like we're agreeing here. Only difference is that I'm adding the fact that a developmental OT is a bonus in that they most likely then will take over one of three spots (Whit, Hav or Brown) in 2019 - Whit being the best case scenario.
Can do without
LB Connor Barwin
This is the confusing category.Barwin was brought in for his leadership and to help transition the defense. He’s fulfilled those obligations well but would likely stunt the growth of a LB Samson Ebukam, LB Matt Longacre or a newcomer moving forward.
"IF!" and that's a BIG IF the Rams go this^ route, I'd contact Cleveland! They have a lot of high Draft Picks and Williams is there DC (For now)!!Have to believe Quinn and Barron would have some trade value. Moving both for draft picks makes a bit of sense, save salary for others and draft replacements.
I really like Barwin and like Quinn he seemed to improve as the season wore on, but yeah... Not sure he's going to return barring him taking a very affordable deal. More likely is that our left side is Longacre/Ebukam, with fresh blood brought in for the right side. If Quinn restructures with an extension that includes a cheaper cap hit, which would be great IMO, there would be no need to keep Connor on. But if Quinn is a straight cut, then in that situation they'd need to have Longacre as depth on the right side.
Definitely think Longacre on the left side is best case scenario, it's an ideal spot for him in this defense. IMO he would be far more productive over 16 games lining up on RTs, and he plays plenty strong enough to hold up there.
Yep as usual we agree on the left side for Matt Longacre next to Brockers is better suited for his talent & skills. But I really think Wade placed Matt on that weak side behind Quinn to offset Quinn inability to set the edge on outside runs & outside containment of fleeing QB's something that Quinn is dreadful at.
If you have the time :coffee: Merlin go take a long look @ the UFA 43 defense Right Edge Rushers/DE's entering FA'cy.
https://overthecap.com/free-agency
Ezekiel Ansah
Aldon Smith
William Hayes
Adrian Clayborn
Julius Peppers
Tank Carradine
Alex Okafor
Kerry Wynn
Demarcus Lawrence
Courtney Upshaw
Dwight Freeney
Marcus Smith
Ricky Jean-Francois
Justin Trattou
Bryan Braman
Lavar Edwards
Kasim Edebali
Will Clarke
Cassius Marsh
Aaron Lynch
Terrence Fede
Chris Smith
I think Demoff is in a serious weak situation to think that he would be successful in asking Quinn to restructure with less money with conditions the way they are in 2018 UFA's @ 43 D Ends.
When you look deep the bold 43 DE's are the best IMO & are sure to be resigned by their teams. The over-all group looks super weak & the number's small. That would indicate that if I were Rob Quinn....the market is perfect to return home back to the SE USA like Carolina or any other city & demand a good pay check & get back conformable in the 43 defense he is best at..
So I would think that any restructure with Quinn is highly doubtful. leaving us the Draft route or utilizing what we have in house until we can get the youngin up to par.
You are probably correct on Quinn. Smart money is that he's gone, it's just that I like the dude and harbor that hope they keep him around (and that he elects to stick around) even when I know it's a longshot.
Re: the edge rushers, I have never been a fan of the FA period to address them. Competition on the market for them is insane and the good ones get PAID. The guys you bolded...
Clayborn had a good season, but he also inflated his numbers with a huge game vs Dallas and his career overall has been unremarkable. The dude is also around 30 years old. Is it wise to go get him in FA? Meh. And as you say he will probably be kept around.
Lawrence is going to bust someone's bank. He makes a lot of plays man, the dude is a difference maker. But look over time and he had a good 2015 but injury/suspension type seasons in 2014 & 2016. Him arriving at stud status right in time for FA is something that concerns me personally, along with paying him big money to get him in a competitive market. And that's if the Boys don't franchise him, which I think they will.
Upshaw, like Clayborn, isn't really special, but will make more than he should as a FA addition. Nice thing about him is he has some OLB experience from his time with the Ravens but he's just not a great pass rusher.
Rams might have some guy lined up in FA they think they can get something from at OLB, who knows. But IMO the way forward for that group is the draft. There are difference makers early on in this draft Snead can snap up, and guys with good upside after the early portion he can bring in for this staff to develop. Lots of options. So if they do bring anyone in, I'd have to think it's a depth type guy who they could get at an affordable rate, who makes them less desperate for the position in the draft, but who would that be? I have no idea man.
IMO the pick at 23 will be an OLB edge rusher.