PFF Grades on Seattle @ LA

[RAMpage28]

PFF named Donald and Joyner the best at their positions this week.

 

[Bruce2980]

PFF named Donald and Joyner the best at their positions this week.

Glad for Joyner, he had a monster game, and no surprise with AD, always consistently great.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

What age is he?
Youth football is a blast to coach.

He is nine, but it is a new league that goes by grade. Pretty dumb. One team had three kids that were as big as my wife. I was going to coach but they had 7 already. I figured it would be overkill.

 

[fearsomefour]

He is nine, but it is a new league that goes by grade. Pretty dumb. One team had three kids that were as big as my wife. I was going to coach but they had 7 already. I figured it would be overkill.

Gotcha.
I never coached kids that young. Mostly 12-16 year old range.
It is funny that everyone just defaults the big kids to the line.
We (the group of guys I would coach with off and on) would always look at puttin athletic guys on the line. Not tiny guys but a lot of times it was not the biggest guys on the line. Athletic with solid technique beats big almost every time. Fun to watch the C or G pull on a run play or a G and T cross block and blow up bigger guys.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Gotcha.
I never coached kids that young. Mostly 12-16 year old range.
It is funny that everyone just defaults the big kids to the line.
We (the group of guys I would coach with off and on) would always look at puttin athletic guys on the line. Not tiny guys but a lot of times it was not the biggest guys on the line. Athletic with solid technique beats big almost every time. Fun to watch the C or G pull on a run play or a G and T cross block and blow up bigger guys.

Our coaches, while dedicated are just too narrow minded to think like that. They put the two biggest kids at center and right guard. Then had Linc at OLG. He is their best blocker and is just thickly muscled. At nine you can see all lo his muscles. He has traps, pecs, his arms are developed, etc. I think that comes from my wife's dad. Anyway, he can run well and is good at moving and hitting on the run. So, the head coach decided he wanted a strong and weak side of the line and moved Linc to right tackle and left the fat slow kid at ORG. The kid can't pull for crap. It took the coach 4 games to figure out that his best plays are to run right behind Lincoln. Before that 75% were going to the weak side with little success. The weak side is very weak. They get run over on every play.

He has better kids to play OLine but he has them all cycling in as RBs. It is probably best that I am not coaching because I would disagree with nearly every move he makes. He has the fastest kid on the team at TE. They throw the ball twice a game! That kid was easily the best RB we had last year. So, I just coach my kid some extra at home and worry about him playing well. The team is undefeated though. The defense is very good. They only gave up 12 points in 4 games. So they keep winning with low scoring games.

 

[DaveFan'51]

PFF named Donald and Joyner the best at their positions this week.

And I heard, last night, on the Fisher Show, Since Monday, Joyner Has practiced, and Played the entire game with a Broken Toe!! YES! A BROKEN TOE!!:wow:

 

[-X-]

And I heard, last night, on the Fisher Show, Since Monday, Joyner Has practiced, and Played the entire game with a Broken Toe!! YES! A BROKEN TOE!!:wow:

Cortisone is a wonderful thing.

 

[DaveFan'51]

Cortisone is a wonderful thing.

So is Morphine!!:snicker::shades:

 

[fearsomefour]

Our coaches, while dedicated are just too narrow minded to think like that. They put the two biggest kids at center and right guard. Then had Linc at OLG. He is their best blocker and is just thickly muscled. At nine you can see all lo his muscles. He has traps, pecs, his arms are developed, etc. I think that comes from my wife's dad. Anyway, he can run well and is good at moving and hitting on the run. So, the head coach decided he wanted a strong and weak side of the line and moved Linc to right tackle and left the fat slow kid at ORG. The kid can't pull for crap. It took the coach 4 games to figure out that his best plays are to run right behind Lincoln. Before that 75% were going to the weak side with little success. The weak side is very weak. They get run over on every play.

He has better kids to play OLine but he has them all cycling in as RBs. It is probably best that I am not coaching because I would disagree with nearly every move he makes. He has the fastest kid on the team at TE. They throw the ball twice a game! That kid was easily the best RB we had last year. So, I just coach my kid some extra at home and worry about him playing well. The team is undefeated though. The defense is very good. They only gave up 12 points in 4 games. So they keep winning with low scoring games.

Good defense and bad O that wins, sounds like a perfect team for a Ram fan.
Yeah, most coaches are dumb to be honest. Or their approach is thoughtless. They mimic what they see on TV. We had one coach who would mostly advise and he would assign players their positions. He does scouting for some colleges and really excelled at putting kids in good spots. The team looked different than most. Tall athletic kid at C two bigger kids (but not the biggest) at G and guys most teams would have at TE or WR at T. There is no point having 4 RBs when that means three of your most athletic guys are watching.
The last thing we considered with RB was straight line speed. Can the kid change direction without shuffling his feet? Does he haveany vision? Is he capable of taking what is there and not trying (like most young RBs) to bounce everything outside? Truth is running behind a well executed double team the slowest kid on the team will get 3-5 yards on a dive play.
We also taught three plays or so at a time. A FB run a HB run an a pass out of the same formation. Once that is down then bring in WR motion. A jet sweep on the motion and a pass out of the motion. One formation and 5 or 6 plays can be taught
Pretty quickly. Other things we always did was explain the point of each players responsibility on each play. Kids lose focus if the coach spends 10 minutes talking to the QB and RB about a run to the right side, meanwhile the LG doesn't know what's going on.
I hear so many youth coaches yell about fundamentals but never teach them or don't teach everyone a play.
At first I was the "side" coach. Work one on one or one on two with the most limited players. I loved this. The head coach would give me two plays to teach them, let's say a G and a TE. Just work on those plays with those guys. Then they would rotate in for those plays during
Practice and games. Next week two new plays. The end result was by the end of the year they had confidence and some level of ability and the team had depth. Also instead of the worst players gettin just their minimum plays everyone got more than minimum plays by a fair margin.
Then I was put in charge of the passing game. So using existing formations put in pass plays that got guys open because of design. Easy enough throws that always have the QB a throw away area if he needed it. Ball out in 3 seconds or under.
The last deep run the team had (national title game in Florida) the QB has free reign to audible out of plays. So cool to watch the other coaches when the kid would step back from C "kill, kill, kill....green, green!!" and move to a shotgun pass formation and run a draw.
I miss it but to do it right it a shit ton of work, but kids can learn a ton of it is presented the right away.

 

[MadGoat]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-sea-la-grades-rams-defensive-front-too-much/
Top offensive grades:

TE Tyler Higbee, 64.3

Anyone happen to have a breakdown of PFF's grade for Higbee?

 

[OldSchool]

Interesting that their center that was getting blown up by our DT rotation all game was given a good grade.

 

[Zaphod]

The last deep run the team had (national title game in Florida) the QB has free reign to audible out of plays. So cool to watch the other coaches when the kid would step back from C "kill, kill, kill....green, green!!" and move to a shotgun pass formation and run a draw.

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I have no idea what that means, but, if that is the Michael Keaton Batman, then I agree.

 

[Zaphod]

I have no idea what that means, but, if that is the Michael Keaton Batman, then I agree.

Sorry just in reference to the coach's reaction of surprise. That would be really cool seeing a kid call an audible like that.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Good defense and bad O that wins, sounds like a perfect team for a Ram fan.
Yeah, most coaches are dumb to be honest. Or their approach is thoughtless. They mimic what they see on TV. We had one coach who would mostly advise and he would assign players their positions. He does scouting for some colleges and really excelled at putting kids in good spots. The team looked different than most. Tall athletic kid at C two bigger kids (but not the biggest) at G and guys most teams would have at TE or WR at T. There is no point having 4 RBs when that means three of your most athletic guys are watching.
The last thing we considered with RB was straight line speed. Can the kid change direction without shuffling his feet? Does he haveany vision? Is he capable of taking what is there and not trying (like most young RBs) to bounce everything outside? Truth is running behind a well executed double team the slowest kid on the team will get 3-5 yards on a dive play.
We also taught three plays or so at a time. A FB run a HB run an a pass out of the same formation. Once that is down then bring in WR motion. A jet sweep on the motion and a pass out of the motion. One formation and 5 or 6 plays can be taught
Pretty quickly. Other things we always did was explain the point of each players responsibility on each play. Kids lose focus if the coach spends 10 minutes talking to the QB and RB about a run to the right side, meanwhile the LG doesn't know what's going on.
I hear so many youth coaches yell about fundamentals but never teach them or don't teach everyone a play.
At first I was the "side" coach. Work one on one or one on two with the most limited players. I loved this. The head coach would give me two plays to teach them, let's say a G and a TE. Just work on those plays with those guys. Then they would rotate in for those plays during
Practice and games. Next week two new plays. The end result was by the end of the year they had confidence and some level of ability and the team had depth. Also instead of the worst players gettin just their minimum plays everyone got more than minimum plays by a fair margin.
Then I was put in charge of the passing game. So using existing formations put in pass plays that got guys open because of design. Easy enough throws that always have the QB a throw away area if he needed it. Ball out in 3 seconds or under.
The last deep run the team had (national title game in Florida) the QB has free reign to audible out of plays. So cool to watch the other coaches when the kid would step back from C "kill, kill, kill....green, green!!" and move to a shotgun pass formation and run a draw.
I miss it but to do it right it a crap ton of work, but kids can learn a ton of it is presented the right away.

Our team runs the Wing-T offense so there are 2 RBs on every play. All of the plays are numbered with a blocking direction at the end, like 36 belly. The three back goes through the 6 hole and the tackle blocks in and the guard blocks out. Just an example. Simple system and they only run about 6 run play's and two pass plays.

It is funny that you mentioned RBs trying to bounce every play outside. The were all doing that at first. The QB is still doing it. The other two have figured out that when the play gets called through Lincoln, to hit that hole. It's always there, has been since practice. Why the coaches didn't realize that until the fourth game, is beyond me.

The coaches did exactly what you said, last year. Spend all practice teaching plays to the backs. The poor OLine would snap the ball and stand there blocking air. It was incredibly boring and it led too our biggest and strongest kid to not return. Lincoln is athletic but a little short. They kept trying to get tall kids for Center but he was the only one that could snap the ball and still block well, last year. It led to some sloppy exchanges. This year they got smart and took the most athletic tall kid and worked him at center for a month. It was ugly at first but that kid has really come on.

Our TE who should be a RB, is not only the fastest kid, but he was the only one that would run against the grain by cutting back after getting past the line. He had good vision and peeled off long runs every game. The current group relies on speed only. Our coach stood next to me, as I was doing the down marker and looked at the other team and said,"They have 5 good backs, that would be so nice" The other team had 17 players and we have 12 for varsity. I told him he had the best RB playing TE and he said If I move him to RB then I have no TE. Any of the backs could rotate to TE. They just have to lead block. The guy is so rigid.

There is too much ego among the coaches too. It's all about their kids getting the prime spots, like QB an RB. The head coaches son is a huge liability at G and OLB. After 3 games of watching him get run over repeatedly, he finally listened to the coaches and moved him to mlb. They actually have a fast kid who is more physical at OLB now and the difference was noticeable. The defense is a 3-5. So his son is one of three mlbs. They promised try outs for positions but there weren't any. Even at kicker and punter they appointed a coaches son, and it was end of conversation. There are two kids that can kick the ball much further and higher. In the opener there was a few kids that didn't play a single down. The coach said he was sorry but the game was too close. So, suddenly competition is the most important thing, but it goes out the window when it comes to their own kids. After a month of practice 5 nights a week for two hours a night and some kids didn't play a snap in the first game, basically because they weren't good enough. 8 and 9 year old kids! Those parents told the coach what they thought and put their kids in fall baseball. There is one coach who I think really gets it and he should be the head coach, but nobody listens to him because he wants to play the kids in different spots to maximize the talent, just like you said with more athletes on the line and such. But that would mean coaches kids would be blocking. Can't have that. SMH.

 

[fearsomefour]

Our team runs the Wing-T offense so there are 2 RBs on every play. All of the plays are numbered with a blocking direction at the end, like 36 belly. The three back goes through the 6 hole and the tackle blocks in and the guard blocks out. Just an example. Simple system and they only run about 6 run play's and two pass plays.

It is funny that you mentioned RBs trying to bounce every play outside. The were all doing that at first. The QB is still doing it. The other two have figured out that when the play gets called through Lincoln, to hit that hole. It's always there, has been since practice. Why the coaches didn't realize that until the fourth game, is beyond me.

The coaches did exactly what you said, last year. Spend all practice teaching plays to the backs. The poor OLine would snap the ball and stand there blocking air. It was incredibly boring and it led too our biggest and strongest kid to not return. Lincoln is athletic but a little short. They kept trying to get tall kids for Center but he was the only one that could snap the ball and still block well, last year. It led to some sloppy exchanges. This year they got smart and took the most athletic tall kid and worked him at center for a month. It was ugly at first but that kid has really come on.

Our TE who should be a RB, is not only the fastest kid, but he was the only one that would run against the grain by cutting back after getting past the line. He had good vision and peeled off long runs every game. The current group relies on speed only. Our coach stood next to me, as I was doing the down marker and looked at the other team and said,"They have 5 good backs, that would be so nice" The other team had 17 players and we have 12 for varsity. I told him he had the best RB playing TE and he said If I move him to RB then I have no TE. Any of the backs could rotate to TE. They just have to lead block. The guy is so rigid.

There is too much ego among the coaches too. It's all about their kids getting the prime spots, like QB an RB. The head coaches son is a huge liability at G and OLB. After 3 games of watching him get run over repeatedly, he finally listened to the coaches and moved him to mlb. They actually have a fast kid who is more physical at OLB now and the difference was noticeable. The defense is a 3-5. So his son is one of three mlbs. They promised try outs for positions but there weren't any. Even at kicker and punter they appointed a coaches son, and it was end of conversation. There are two kids that can kick the ball much further and higher. In the opener there was a few kids that didn't play a single down. The coach said he was sorry but the game was too close. So, suddenly competition is the most important thing, but it goes out the window when it comes to their own kids. After a month of practice 5 nights a week for two hours a night and some kids didn't play a snap in the first game, basically because they weren't good enough. 8 and 9 year old kids! Those parents told the coach what they thought and put their kids in fall baseball. There is one coach who I think really gets it and he should be the head coach, but nobody listens to him because he wants to play the kids in different spots to maximize the talent, just like you said with more athletes on the line and such. But that would mean coaches kids would be blocking. Can't have that. SMH.

I hear ya Elm.
I know it's frustrating and what you're describing is typical. One advantage this group I coach with has is no kids of coaches on their team. If you wanna coach your kid, that's cool, go do that on another team then come back when they have moved on.
They usually stay with a group of kids as well. Start at 12 and coach them to 15 or so.
The other thing is zero yelling. In ten years of watching and workin with these guys not one time have I heard them yell at or embarrass a player. Also, by taking extra time and focus an coaching up all of the players they end up with great moral and depth. So, over the last eight years or so there have been 2 or 3 players combined that have quit. Players don't quit because everyone gets to play and everyone that is willing to try gets coaches up.
What I said before about coaching up the weaker or inexperienced kids, so important. The league here has a minimum play rule. Every player has to play at least four plays a half.
What you usually see is with a minute left in the half all the scrubs come in and run three plays to get their plays. Our goal was to have all the minimum plays taken care of by end of the first and third quarter but not stop rotating guys in. So, guys get a chance to play and apply what they practiced and everyone is happy.
The main three coaches have been offered jobs at a private high school twice and another school once but didn't take it. The main reasons.....one schedules, everyone has normal jobs but also parents. No thanks dealing with that.
The truth is most of the kids at the 9-10 year old level are not going to play through. High school. Teach them best you can, be patient, be fair and honest with them, everyone plays and have fun. This is really the approach that should be taken. This team has won 6 or 7 regional titles in a row and has advanced to the national championship level the last two years using this approach.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I hear ya Elm.
I know it's frustrating and what you're describing is typical. One advantage this group I coach with has is no kids of coaches on their team. If you wanna coach your kid, that's cool, go do that on another team then come back when they have moved on.
They usually stay with a group of kids as well. Start at 12 and coach them to 15 or so.
The other thing is zero yelling. In ten years of watching and workin with these guys not one time have I heard them yell at or embarrass a player. Also, by taking extra time and focus an coaching up all of the players they end up with great moral and depth. So, over the last eight years or so there have been 2 or 3 players combined that have quit. Players don't quit because everyone gets to play and everyone that is willing to try gets coaches up.
What I said before about coaching up the weaker or inexperienced kids, so important. The league here has a minimum play rule. Every player has to play at least four plays a half.
What you usually see is with a minute left in the half all the scrubs come in and run three plays to get their plays. Our goal was to have all the minimum plays taken care of by end of the first and third quarter but not stop rotating guys in. So, guys get a chance to play and apply what they practiced and everyone is happy.
The main three coaches have been offered jobs at a private high school twice and another school once but didn't take it. The main reasons.....one schedules, everyone has normal jobs but also parents. No thanks dealing with that.
The truth is most of the kids at the 9-10 year old level are not going to play through. High school. Teach them best you can, be patient, be fair and honest with them, everyone plays and have fun. This is really the approach that should be taken. This team has won 6 or 7 regional titles in a row and has advanced to the national championship level the last two years using this approach.

The problem is finding people that love working with kids and love coaching sports. Throw in needing a good structure to oversee it. Most guys coach only because they want to coach their kid and make sure he is the star that they weren't in school. It takes great dedication. You have an admirable group there.

 

[fearsomefour]

The problem is finding people that love working with kids and love coaching sports. Throw in needing a good structure to oversee it. Most guys coach only because they want to coach their kid and make sure he is the star that they weren't in school. It takes great dedication. You have an admirable group there.

Yes, I agree.
They are careful who they rotate in as a coach too.