Ochaun Mathis

[Kupped]

I will say if Young keeps growing the way he is, the need for an elite guy across from him drops. Just get “really good” and the pass rush will click.

 

[dang]

I will say if Young keeps growing the way he is, the need for an elite guy across from him drops. Just get “really good” and the pass rush will click.

Before he retires, I want to see Donald with an elite Edge, a 2nd very good Edge, an DE that can penetrate consistently on pass plays and a monster NT that gobbles up 2 OL on every run play. 2021 was close to that.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Before he retires, I want to see Donald with an elite Edge, a 2nd very good Edge, an DE that can penetrate consistently on pass plays and a monster NT that gobbles up 2 OL on every run play. 2021 was close to that.

That's not asking too much.

 

[PARAM]

Nope.
Just read multiple scouting reports that said the same thing about his run defense.

Didn't know communicating stuff like that was problematic. Sorry this offended your sensibilities.

Not at all. Communicate any hearsay you want.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I will say if Young keeps growing the way he is, the need for an elite guy across from him drops. Just get “really good” and the pass rush will click.

I honestly think we can go after Burns in FA with all the cap room we'll have. If we had him, Young in year 2, and Donald.......holy fuck would we have a pass rush.

 

[majrleaged]

Before he retires, I want to see Donald with an elite Edge, a 2nd very good Edge, an DE that can penetrate consistently on pass plays and a monster NT that gobbles up 2 OL on every run play. 2021 was close to that.

That sounds like miller and floyd and The D tackle free agent we picked up from detroit. 3 out of 4 aint bad. We won a SB with that. Like to do that again.

 

[Allen2McVay]

I honestly think we can go after Burns in FA with all the cap room we'll have. If we had him, Young in year 2, and Donald.......holy fuck would we have a pass rush.

That would be great. Josh Allen of Jacksonville would be another fantastic addition. However, I just don't see either player hitting unrestricted free agency. They're too valuable of an asset. If they are not re-signed, figure both will get the Franchise Tag so their teams have a chance to get something in return better than a 2025 third round comp pick.

Hope I am wrong.

Pending free agents that may well hit unrestricted free agency include Rashan Gary (Green Bay drafted an Edge in the first round this year), Chase Young or Montez Sweat (Washington can not tag both players). Second-tier young Edge players include Buffalo's A.J. Epenesa and New England's Josh Uche.

 

[fanotodd]

Meh. Need to see more.

 

[PARAM]

That would be great. Josh Allen of Jacksonville would be another fantastic addition. However, I just don't see either player hitting unrestricted free agency. They're too valuable of an asset. If they are not re-signed, figure both will get the Franchise Tag so their teams have a chance to get something in return better than a 2025 third round comp pick.

Hope I am wrong.

Pending free agents that may well hit unrestricted free agency include Rashan Gary (Green Bay drafted an Edge in the first round this year), Chase Young or Montez Sweat (Washington can not tag both players). Second-tier young Edge players include Buffalo's A.J. Epenesa and New England's Josh Uche.

You're not wrong. Why would they not tag them? Somebody else signs them, they get a couple first round picks. Nobody signs them and they have them back. Of course there's always the chance the player says, "screw you, I'm not reporting. Trade me".

 

[kurtfaulk]

You're not wrong. Why would they not tag them? Somebody else signs them, they get a couple first round picks. Nobody signs them and they have them back. Of course there's always the chance the player says, "screw you, I'm not reporting. Trade me".

And miss out on $20m? I don't think so.

.

 

[Allen2McVay]

You're not wrong. Why would they not tag them? Somebody else signs them, they get a couple first round picks. Nobody signs them and they have them back. Of course there's always the chance the player says, "screw you, I'm not reporting. Trade me".

There's also an in-between.

A team ... say the Rams ... could negotiate a contract with a tagged player (say Burns) that his team (Carolina) does not want to match. The Rams don't want to give-up two #1 picks, so before anything is signed, they approach the Panthers to see if a deal can be negotiated for something less than two firsts. That happens.

 

[Kupped]

Not at all. Communicate any hearsay you want.

I don’t mind being told I’m wrong, etc…. But I don’t make shit up.

This was just one of several things I had read on Mathis.

Be a better poster.

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[RamWoodie]

Folks...the Rams defense is very young...need I say that? We're gonna have growing pains at times? These guys are growing with every game. We have to be patient...they haven't "seen it all" yet, so they're no where near "seasoned players".

When it comes to Hoecht, we're seeing less and less of him. Not that there's not situations where he's not good for...but pass coverage is just not where he needs to be. He's too heavy. I think that reality has come. Mathis will get more sanps.

As I see it, they defense has held their own in every game...and they never lack effort and intensity. Morris has done a nice job with these young players...especially in the secondary. They're 13th in defense and that's waaaaay more than we expected.

Good thread here. let's watch these guys grow and develop, because I think they're going to be even better. The only thing we need to have with them is patience.

 

[dang]

That sounds like miller and floyd and The D tackle free agent we picked up from detroit. 3 out of 4 aint bad. We won a SB with that. Like to do that again.

Exactly except I’m hoping Young is the very good Edge by next year. Which is better than Floyd who was a good Edge. And we need to find a DE that can put pressure on QBs as well (perhaps Hoecht).

 

[Corbin]

Mathis isn't fast, and has average quickness. What he does have is power, and the ability to set an edge, i.e. contain. He also has decent hand play. In other words he's a Michael Brockers type DE.

Hampton is seriously understrength for the NFL so it's going to take time for him to build himself up. The two speed rushers are Young and Donald. Remember this is Morris' DL which is setup to defend the LOS not penetrate and disrupt. So you need to understand that in Morris' mind containment and steady pressure is what he wants, i.e. defend the LOS.

The idea of the concept is set the edge and play contain on the offensive left while the pressure comes from Donald and Young on the right. Remember in this defensive concept it's not about stopping the play as much as limiting it. Waiting for the offense to make a mistake. When they don't they probably get into FG range. Morris obviously thinks that's a win because then and only then does he tighten up the defense.

Honest question, do you know the differences between a OLB and DE positions in our defense?

 

[PARAM]

I don’t mind being told I’m wrong, etc…. But I don’t make shit up.

This was just one of several things I had read on Mathis.

Be a better poster.

Ochaun Mathis Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com

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You don't make shit up? Show me where in that evaluation you posted, does it say "has touble setting" or "can't set the edge"? "Has trouble against downhill running" has nothing to do with setting an edge. Hell, most times setting the edge is taking on a blocker so the ball goes inside where somebody else can make the tackle.

Furthermore, how long have you been reading draft evaluations? Ever seen one that had just "pros" or "positives" and no "cons" or "negatives"? I haven't. They have to write something, even if it's based on one game or a stretch of games in the guy's sophmore or junior year. To legitimize their reputation.....read: cover their ass.

I'm not even saying he can set the edge. Just that I ain't believing every word of a draft eval.

Be a better poster? Okay. Don't be a parrot.

 

[Kupped]

You don't make shit up? Show me where in that evaluation you posted, does it say "has touble setting" or "can't set the edge"? "Has trouble against downhill running" has nothing to do with setting an edge. Hell, most times setting the edge is taking on a blocker so the ball goes inside where somebody else can make the tackle.

Furthermore, how long have you been reading draft evaluations? Ever seen one that had just "pros" or "positives" and no "cons" or "negatives"? I haven't. They have to write something, even if it's based on one game or a stretch of games in the guy's sophmore or junior year. To legitimize their reputation.....read: cover their ass.

I'm not even saying he can set the edge. Just that I ain't believing every word of a draft eval.

Be a better poster? Okay. Don't be a parrot.

Gonna go ahead and stick to what I said about not making stuff up.. you can disagree on whether you believe he can overcome that.. I never said he couldn't.

Can't think for myself? I guess you missed the part where I was responding to a comparison of Mathis to Brockers.. and there's no comparison there. Completely different players.


I guess these lines don't translate for you..

"Struggles to press and separate when a blocker finds his frame"
"Gets pushed around by tackles at point of attack"

Here's another with a more specific line for you.. since "point of attack" doesn't seem to click.

Again.. be a better poster. Because you're failing right now.

Ochaun Mathis has the requisite tools to start on the Rams edge

Round 6 pick needs polish and play strength, but could be a steal

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As a run defender, there is more work to be done. Again, he has a hot motor and flows to the ball well, but his lanky, lean build and pedestrian play strength make him an easy target to be washed away by bigger defenders. Although he actually does a good job of hand fighting and using his length when tasked in read or setting an edge, when offensive linemen clamp on, he can be moved. A strength program, particularly lower body work are called for. He has that good natural athleticism, so I don’t think there’s a point to bulk up with more mass. He was often used as a QB spy when at TCU.

 

[PARAM]

Mathis actually had issues holding the edge in college and is only about 250.

That's not tackling. Nor is it getting off blocks. Holding the edge is keeping the runner inside. And like I said, most times thats forcing him inside so another defender can make the tackle. Maybe what we have here is a failure to communicate....or you using the wrong terms......but instead of clarifying, you got your shorts in a knot. Like I said nothing in that evaluation said anything about "holding the edge".....your term in that quote. Take your own advice. Be better.

In the most recent eval you posted it even contradicts your original quote I cited.

"Although he actually does a good job of hand fighting and using his length when tasked in read or setting an edge, when offensive linemen clamp on, he can be moved"

But it's all good. You rely of 8 month old evals and I'll watch him play.

 

[Kupped]

That's not tackling. Nor is it getting off blocks. Holding the edge is keeping the runner inside. And like I said, most times thats forcing him inside so another defender can make the tackle. Maybe what we have here is a failure to communicate....or you using the wrong terms......but instead of clarifying, you got your shorts in a knot. Like I said nothing in that evaluation said anything about "holding the edge".....your term in that quote. Take your own advice. Be better.

In the most recent eval you posted it even contradicts your original quote I cited.

"Although he actually does a good job of hand fighting and using his length when tasked in read or setting an edge, when offensive linemen clamp on, he can be moved"

But it's all good. You rely of 8 month old evals and I'll watch him play.

No, it doesn’t contradict.. you ignored what came after what I highlighted.

And I’ve read other evals saying that same, too weak lower body.

I did read one that said he was good at it!

My main point, the one you utterly fail to acknowledge, is that I’m not making stuff up.

Can there be different perspectives? Yup!!!

Again…

Be a better poster.

 

[Kupped]

Setting an edge requires being able to anchor.. no?

Here's a couple more..

Against the run, Mathis’s slow processing and unreliable anchor leave him out of contention too frequently.

https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/ochaunmathis

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Weaknesses​

• Needs to add more strength – can’t hold up to run blocking;
• Gets eaten alive by blockers when they get two hands on him;

Ochaun Mathis 2023 NFL Draft Profile

After spending four years at TCU and one year at Nebraska, edge defender Ochaun Mathis has declared for the 2023 NFL Draft.

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None of this is the final word on him.. and none of this makes him a bad player or prospect. It's perspectives of a few football writers.. others have different perspectives.

Mathis' first couple of appearances have been fine! Looks like he could be a player! And I sure hope he is!