O Line Love

[gabriel18]

They have more depth than I thought they did. Probably a good thing getting backups a few meaningful snaps.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Next year Carberry will be some teams head coach.

 

[Merlin]

All this adversity along the OL, has me geeked up knowing we have some depth. I guess McSnead were right not to draft some OL. I guess I was wrong. Happily wrong reflecting back now.

Shelton showing some chops, could he be a shrewd OC replacement if we need to trim the cap fat????

Agreed. And it feels good to be wrong there too doesn't it.

 

[PressureD41]

Next year Carberry will be some teams head coach.

YOU SHUT YOUR BLOODY MOUTH

 

[PressureD41]

Agreed. And it feels good to be wrong there too doesn't it.

IT FEELS SO FUCKING GOOD BRO LOL


Man its crazy how good our team is. Fucking McSnead the future is bright. Less talk on Morris firing too lately. On to Baltimore now boys

 

[So Ram]

They have more depth than I thought they did. Probably a good thing getting backups a few meaningful snaps.

Well The new Covid Rules & The Rams way of developing players helps.
A UDRFA at LT !! To think he is from IOWA.

 

[RhodyRams]

Downside I can't see us paying Allen, he has had a good season just can't seem to stay healthy unfortunately.

Remember Rodger Saffold...couldnt stay on the field for his first few years either, then 2018 happened

 

[majrleaged]

Shitty play call and poor decision throwing into double coverage. Luckily it didn’t hurt too bad.

Van had them beat. The steam came out of the pass when Stafford got hit causing the under throw. Sometimes the other team causes things to go their way.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Van had them beat. The steam came out of the pass when Stafford got hit causing the under throw.

Stafford basically said just that in his post-game press conference.

Admitted he had a bad day and pointed-out several missed throws other than the interceptions.

However, on the long pick, Stafford said the following:
"I still think there's a throw out-there. If I don't get hit ... it's probably a big play."

 

[OldSchool]

Remember Rodger Saffold...couldnt stay on the field for his first few years either, then 2018 happened

A position change happened as well and the injuries went away. Also that's a bit of an exaggeration couldn't stay on the field, he had 5 of 9 years he played every game with 2 of those only being 15 and one of those a week 17 rest all the vets. But I'm consistent, I've said this same thing about Saffold, Allen hell even Noteboom I've said this about. I'm not going to change now, if a guy can't stay healthy I'd rather try for somebody that can and every year Allen has had injuries.

 

[blackbart]

Van had them beat. The steam came out of the pass when Stafford got hit causing the under throw. Sometimes the other team causes things to go their way.

While those things are true so is my statement. We were gashing them with the run, there was no reason to go away from that and Stafford could have chosen not to throw into double coverage.

I will give others credit on plays like the tipped ball interception which was also a dumb play call from inside your own 20 when they have no answer for the running game.

 

[majrleaged]

While those things are true so is my statement. We were gashing them with the run, there was no reason to go away from that and Stafford could have chosen not to throw into double coverage.

I will give others credit on plays like the tipped ball interception which was also a dumb play call from inside your own 20 when they have no answer for the running game.

I will disagree here. Part of the point of running the ball is to get behind the defense to take long shots. I agree with running the ball inside the 20 though.

 

[Merlin]

Stafford basically said just that in his post-game press conference.

Admitted he had a bad day and pointed-out several missed throws other than the interceptions.

However, on the long pick, Stafford said the following:
"I still think there's a throw out-there. If I don't get hit ... it's probably a big play."

Yeah that's what I was trying to get across in the other thread. 9 definitely had a shitty day. But some of his play had a lot to do with pressure.

McVay needs to work with him some more on his pocket awareness in drills IMO. It's also possible that the lack of practice they've faced has affected him, which is understandable, but either way when you're the QB there's no excuses he has to do better at the very least at throwing it away and even just taking the sack if he needs to and quit with the hero throws that lead to INTs.

For the rest of this season I also think it's important for McVay to accept that his offense is not gonna be able to drop back 50 times and roast defenses. We don't have the protections for that. And 9 is not in that zone where you can trust him to do that for whatever reason, when they get too pass happy his play suffers. As long as that happens the good thing is our line is one of the better run blocking units in the league this year.

So for example in this game where McVay is going to review the Ravens' film and will be drooling over their secondary play and what he can do to it, IF the protections aren't there early in the game he's gonna have to ratchet that shit back and ground 'n pound. It is what it is.

 

[blackbart]

I will disagree here. Part of the point of running the ball is to get behind the defense to take long shots. I agree with running the ball inside the 20 though.

The goal is to win the game, running the ball against a team that cannot stop it is the best formula to do that. Throwing a 50 yard bomb is nothing but ego.

 

[Merlin]

The goal is to win the game, running the ball against a team that cannot stop it is the best formula to do that. Throwing a 50 yard bomb is nothing but ego.

I don't disagree and the fact he got hit throwing it and gave up the INT basically makes you right here.

But when you dial up big plays like that there's always that risk the QB will be hit. It's part of it. Had Havenstein simply slid next to his linemate and doubled the DL instead of shoving him we probably get a big TD there.

 

[Kupped]

The goal is to win the game, running the ball against a team that cannot stop it is the best formula to do that. Throwing a 50 yard bomb is nothing but ego.

Ego?
I'm happy to criticize McVay's play calling.. but when I see "ego," I don't get it.

McVay believes in the big play, explosive plays. He believes that's the key to winning games in the NFL. That's why his defense is geared to stop them and, hopefully, also create some turnovers.

I don't buy the "ego" thing for a second.. but I do think he needs to recognize how a game is flowing and be sensible about his play calling and I think Stafford needs to recognize when a play could end very poorly.

 

[Memento]

Carberry has been an absolute revelation. How many players have improved under him? Havenstein, Allen, both of whom were much maligned, have become legit Pro-Bowl players. Noteboom, Edwards, Corbett, Shelton all have improved (except for Evans and Anchrum, but Anchrum has the legit reason that he's been injured all year.) Alaric Jackson played the game of his life, and I want to see more of this kid.

I hope to fucking fate that someone doesn't poach Carberry; he's done an amazing job with this offensive line, better even than Kromer did, who - despite what some...or, rather, one specific guy may say - was a solid O-line coach.

 

[Kupped]

I don't disagree and the fact he got hit throwing it and gave up the INT basically makes you right here.

But when you dial up big plays like that there's always that risk the QB will be hit. It's part of it. Had Havenstein simply slid next to his linemate and doubled the DL instead of shoving him we probably get a big TD there.

I don't think that one was there. Different angle from the successful throw against the Cards and too much coverage as well.
I went back and looked at the Chicago deep shot and Van was wide open. Cards was much closer.. but there was a much better angle for that throw for Van to run and track.

 

[Kupped]

Carberry has been an absolute revelation. How many players have improved under him? Havenstein, Allen, both of whom were much maligned, have become legit Pro-Bowl players. Noteboom, Edwards, Corbett, Shelton all have improved (except for Evans and Anchrum, but Anchrum has the legit reason that he's been injured all year.) Alaric Jackson played the game of his life, and I want to see more of this kid.

I hope to fucking fate that someone doesn't poach Carberry; he's done an amazing job with this offensive line, better even than Kromer did, who - despite what some...or, rather, one specific guy may say - was a solid O-line coach.

Carberry's been great, but I think you're giving him too much credit in some specific cases.
Havenstein was fantastic last year. People were down on him after 19.. when he was hurt. But Hav was absolutely a stud last year. Corbett is the same guy.. that's not a bad thing, but he's not any better than last year.

Allen was the improvement early, and Carberry is, obviously, doing something right with coaching the depth. Because yesterday was fucking brilliant.

 

[blackbart]

Ego?
I'm happy to criticize McVay's play calling.. but when I see "ego," I don't get it.

McVay believes in the big play, explosive plays. He believes that's the key to winning games in the NFL. That's why his defense is geared to stop them and, hopefully, also create some turnovers.

I don't buy the "ego" thing for a second.. but I do think he needs to recognize how a game is flowing and be sensible about his play calling and I think Stafford needs to recognize when a play could end very poorly.

Yes ego because he thinks he’s smarter than everyone else and allows that to affect his play calling.

In that game, there was no need for those kind of plays. Michele was killing them, ball control TOP, and defense was plenty.

Our Oline was down to an undrafted LT and second string center and they had been getting pressure on Stafford.

He needs to get himself under control and do what gives the best chance for winning.