Niners, Deebo, Agree To Deal

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I think for two reasons. First he represented a cap savings. Second he probably has lost a little range. Age and he's a buff dude, big strong guy in a league that has trended strongly to the pass game.
 

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I have to admit that when Wagner signed I wasn't too high on it. But right now I'm thinking he is going to be very much like Whit. Big time leader and we're gonna feel his addition through him making everyone better around him as well as holding down his job.
 

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I have to admit that when Wagner signed I wasn't too high on it. But right now I'm thinking he is going to be very much like Whit. Big time leader and we're gonna feel his addition through him making everyone better around him as well as holding down his job.
Plus we won't see RBs drag the linebacker for an additional 5 yards (I can't harp on that enough)
 

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Let's just hope he's that guy who falters after signing the big contract.
 

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San Francisco 49ers consider offensive options for newly signed Deebo Samuel, 'a special player'​

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    Nick WagonerESPN Staff Writer
SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- San Francisco 49ers wideout Deebo Samuel signed his lucrative three-year contract extension Monday, bringing an end to the question of whether he will remain with the team for the foreseeable future.
But Samuel's new deal also brought about plenty of other questions regarding his future, the most pressing of which is: Will the Niners continue to use him in the "wide back" hybrid role that elevated Samuel to first team All-Pro status last season?
The answer is yes, according to coach Kyle Shanahan, but the shape that takes will depend on multiple factors.
"I think [it's] based off of whatever happens," Shanahan said. "From my standpoint schematically, from our team's personnel, from Deebo's, from what we think gives us the best chance to win, if we wanted to move Deebo to running back that would have been something that we were honest about. ... You can't do that with anybody. You've got to do that with a special player and Deebo is a special player. That's why he's earned this contract that he's got and I think that's why he's going to continue to earn it going forward."
What Samuel earned is a three-year extension through the 2025 season agreed to Sunday that is worth up to $73.5 million and includes $58.1 million in guarantees. As it turns out, some of that maximum value is directly tied to incentives Samuel can get should he perform that dual role at a similar rate of production as 2021.

Sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter on Monday that Samuel could earn up to $1.95 million over the life of his contract if he meets certain benchmarks for rushing yards and rushing touchdowns.

Samuel can earn $650,000 for each season he has 380 or more rushing yards. If he doesn't get the rushing yardage total, he can earn $150,000 in bonuses in any season in which he scores at least three rushing touchdowns. Either way, he cannot earn more than a total of $650,000 per season or more than $1.95 million over the life of the contract for these rushing incentives.

For comparison's sake, Samuel had his most productive rushing season as a pro in 2021, racking up 365 yards and eight touchdowns, which makes the TD incentive likely to be earned and the rushing total unlikely to be earned for salary-cap purposes.
Throughout the offseason, speculation persisted that Samuel had been unhappy with his role and wanted to cut down on the rushing attempts. But Shanahan said last week that he and Samuel were on the "exact same page" when it comes to usage.
Shanahan reiterated Monday that Samuel will again figure prominently into the plans in whatever way is necessary to help the 49ers win depending on the opponent, what they see on film, how the 53-man roster shapes up and potential personnel groupings.
"When Deebo stays healthy and he's able to practice and able to go through things, Deebo is capable of doing anything," Shanahan said. "That's why he's helped us so much to win, whether it's in the pass game or the run game or whether it's blocking or throwing the one time we asked him to throw. When you have guys who have skill sets that can do a number of things you want to always keep them doing them."

After signing his deal Monday morning, Samuel joined his teammates in practice for the first time this season, a session that also happened to be the team's first fully padded workout of camp.
Because it was Samuel's first practice, the Niners eased him in, keeping him on a snap count, and they will continue to increase his workload as the days go by, according to Shanahan. Samuel made a couple of catches for big gains from backup quarterback Nate Sudfeld in his limited work in team drills.
Left tackle Trent Williams, who is a close friend of Samuel, said there was a noticeable energy boost from having him back in the fold.
"You watch what he does receiving wise, you watch what he does rushing wise, you watch the spark plug that he is for the team," Williams said. "You see us coming out of the locker room, that's not just for show. That's how we are in the locker room. If you go in there right now, that boom box is probably right next to his locker. He's that type of person and that's why he's important to this organization and that's why we had to have him."
 

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Waggz pretty good but Dweebo would have to run straight to him in order to tackle him...Bobby gettin' a little slow and Dweebs probably out runs him on the angle
How many tackles did Wagner have last year? How many did Reeder have?
 
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How many tackles did Wagner have last year? How many did Reeder have?

Wagner - 1,128 snaps = 89.1% of defensive snaps for the Hags 93 solo, 170 total

Reeder - 681 snaps = 58.6% of defensive snaps for our defense 48 solo, 91 total

Not a math major or genius but if you play with the percentages based on tackles per snaps there is not that much difference. Favors Waggz but it's not as dominant as some may believe.
 

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Wagner - 1,128 snaps = 89.1% of defensive snaps for the Hags 93 solo, 170 total

Reeder - 681 snaps = 58.6% of defensive snaps for our defense 48 solo, 91 total

Not a math major or genius but if you play with the percentages based on tackles per snaps there is not that much difference. Favors Waggz but it's not as dominant as some may believe.

I don’t think he needs to be dominant to be a significant upgrade at the position.
He and Jones together could be fun.

I wasn’t a big fan of the signing.. but I’m willing to be pleasantly surprised
 

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good deal...how many of those tackles were 5+ yards downfield? I'm not sold on him and here's hoping he proves me wrong. Why would the 'Hags let him walk if he was going to be such a stalwart and integral part of their defense?
If training camp is any indicator BWags still has plenty of juice left. He was making plays behind the LOS today, getting through the OL before the RB could get to the LOS.
 

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Wagner - 1,128 snaps = 89.1% of defensive snaps for the Hags 93 solo, 170 total

Reeder - 681 snaps = 58.6% of defensive snaps for our defense 48 solo, 91 total

Not a math major or genius but if you play with the percentages based on tackles per snaps there is not that much difference. Favors Waggz but it's not as dominant as some may believe.
Tackles alone doesn't tell the whole story.
 

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Wagner - 1,128 snaps = 89.1% of defensive snaps for the Hags 93 solo, 170 total

Reeder - 681 snaps = 58.6% of defensive snaps for our defense 48 solo, 91 total

Not a math major or genius but if you play with the percentages based on tackles per snaps there is not that much difference. Favors Waggz but it's not as dominant as some may believe.

Haha, you're trying to compare Wagner to reeder?

Haha, I've never heard of such lunacy. You're just trolling aren't you?

And fuck the whiners and their running qb. Reeder made dweebo $70m richer by making him look like the best nfl player in history. Dweebo is about to see what being erased feels like again when he plays the Rams now.

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Waggz pretty good but Dweebo would have to run straight to him in order to tackle him...Bobby gettin' a little slow and Dweebs probably out runs him on the angle

No, football is about spacing. Watch this past NFC Championship game and notice how Debbow broke free on that screen play. The ILB, who is no longer with the team, was not able to occupy his space.
 

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No, football is about spacing. Watch this past NFC Championship game and notice how Debbow broke free on that screen play. The ILB, who is no longer with the team, was not able to occupy his space.
I don't see how Wagner's not a significant upgrade... add to that a hopefully healthy Ernest Jones.. and the Rams D is gonna look different this year.
 
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Haha, you're trying to compare Wagner to reeder?

Haha, I've never heard of such lunacy. You're just trolling aren't you?

And fuck the whiners and their running qb. Reeder made dweebo $70m richer by making him look like the best nfl player in history. Dweebo is about to see what being erased feels like again when he plays the Rams now.

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"How many tackles did Wagner have last year? How many did Reeder have?"

So yeah...I AM comparing Reeder and Wagner. People want to rant and rave about Waggz and his tackle total compared to Reeder. Well, if player A plays more than player B then it's no surprise Player A has more / better stats.

If I strike a nerve that's your problem. But you go ahead defend Wagner to the fullest. In the next year or two when we cut him do to lackluster play, please don't be that guy that says "I am glad he's gone" or "He wasn't that good any way".
 

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We need Scott to lay his fuckin ass out again in the first matchup. Give him more to think about with that backfield usage.
 

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"How many tackles did Wagner have last year? How many did Reeder have?"

So yeah...I AM comparing Reeder and Wagner. People want to rant and rave about Waggz and his tackle total compared to Reeder. Well, if player A plays more than player B then it's no surprise Player A has more / better stats.

If I strike a nerve that's your problem. But you go ahead defend Wagner to the fullest. In the next year or two when we cut him do to lackluster play, please don't be that guy that says "I am glad he's gone" or "He wasn't that good any way".
If Wagner doesn't play anywhere close to his ability, I will say - "too bad we got Wagner in his down years but he still was an upgrade over Reeder"

Reeder was just horrible in his play except when he was blitzing. He was quite good at blitzing the QB. I am just glad we had Gaines and Robinson to stop the majority of the runs in the postseason.

And you say you are worried about Wagners tackles being 5 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. I got used to Reeder tackling everyone at minimum 5 yards beyond the line of scrimmage and then being dragged another few yards unless he had help.
 

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"How many tackles did Wagner have last year? How many did Reeder have?"

So yeah...I AM comparing Reeder and Wagner. People want to rant and rave about Waggz and his tackle total compared to Reeder. Well, if player A plays more than player B then it's no surprise Player A has more / better stats.

If I strike a nerve that's your problem. But you go ahead defend Wagner to the fullest. In the next year or two when we cut him do to lackluster play, please don't be that guy that says "I am glad he's gone" or "He wasn't that good any way".
So in your opinion an ILB that was only playing because of injuries to guys ahead of him, is comparable to an ILB that has been a 10 yr starter and 6 time all pro?
 

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"How many tackles did Wagner have last year? How many did Reeder have?"

So yeah...I AM comparing Reeder and Wagner. People want to rant and rave about Waggz and his tackle total compared to Reeder. Well, if player A plays more than player B then it's no surprise Player A has more / better stats.

If I strike a nerve that's your problem. But you go ahead defend Wagner to the fullest. In the next year or two when we cut him do to lackluster play, please don't be that guy that says "I am glad he's gone" or "He wasn't that good any way".
Tackles are A measurement of performance, but far from the only one on defense. And, seeing as he'll be calling the plays on D and is regarded as a HOF level ILB both in athletic performance and his game smarts, seems to be clear there's an upgrade here.

Wagner isn't perfect.. and is a little slower than he used to be. But he's still pretty good.

And an objective third party... PFF.. has Wagner graded significantly higher.

Look... I'm one of the people on here who really got tired of the Reeder trashing... dude did his job best he could and played hard. When the coaches figured out how to shape the D against the Niners, finally, in the championship game.. Reeder wasn't the gaping wound people would suggest he was.

But.. yeah... Wagner is better.
 

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We need Scott to lay his fuckin ass out again in the first matchup. Give him more to think about with that backfield usage.
Deebo will physically pay the price for Trey Lance's development, imo. I don't wish it on him, but I think an injury season is highly likely.