NFL discussing banning the Hip-drop tackle

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NEW YORK (AP) - The NFL is looking to eliminate the hip-drop tackle and will again discuss the "tush push" in the offseason.

League executive Jeff Miller said Tuesday the hip-drop tackle increases risk of injury by 25 times the rate of a standard tackle.

Seahawks quarterback Geno Smith briefly left a game against the Giants in Week 4 after getting hurt by a hip-drop tackle.

"It is an unforgiving behavior and one that we need to try to define and get out of the game," Miller said at the league meetings. "To quantify it for you, we see an injury more or less every week in the regular season on the hip-drop."

The league made the horse-collar tackle illegal several years ago because a defender’s body weight ends up on the legs of the ball carrier, enhancing risk of injury. Rich McKay, the chairman of the NFL’s competition committee, called the hip-drop tackle a "cousin" of the horse collar.

"What’s happening on the hip-drop is the defender is encircling tackling the runner and then swinging their weight and falling on the side of their leg, which is their ankle or their knee," McKay said.

"When they use that tactic, you can see why they do, because it can be a smaller man against a bigger man and they’re trying to get that person down because that’s the object of the game. But when they do it, the runner becomes defenseless. They can’t kick their way out from under. And that’s the problem. That’s where the injury occurs. You see the ankle get trapped underneath the weight of the defender."

The league is gathering data and conducting a study on the hip-drop to make a determination. McKay understands defensive players won’t be happy if another way to tackle is banned.

"Whether it’s a tactic that’s being used or a technique, it’s creating an unreasonable risk of injury to a player," McKay said. "It’s our job to try to find a way to regulate that."

As for the "tush push" — the quarterback sneak the Philadelphia Eagles have used so successfully — the play has been legal in the NFL since 2005 when the league removed the language in the rule book that prohibited pushing offensive players.

No team has taken advantage of it quite like the Eagles under coach Nick Sirianni and QB Jalen Hurts. In short-yardage situations, Hurts gets an assist when two or three players line up in the backfield and push him across the first-down marker.

There was a discussion about potentially banning the play after last season, but the NFL’s competition committee didn’t come up with a rule to be put to a vote that would prohibit it.

"There’ll be more data, whether there’s injuries or not, there will be success rates, there will be teams that will have an opinion," McKay said, noting it takes 24 votes to push a new rule.

"Last year, we did talk about it a lot. There were enough teams to say it’s one year, let’s see it and leave it alone. So we did, and I’m sure it’ll be back again. But I just don’t want to get in the business of predicting because I really don’t know what the outcome will be. I do know it will be talked about."
 

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I think players are more susceptible to injury when they continue to re-define what can and cant be done, cant tackle high cant tackle low....
As much as I despise the "tush push", I'm not sure I'd make it illegal. Nothing to stop other teams from trying it. All qb's will try a QB sneak in short yardage situations, I dont see why more teams dont do it.
The last thing we need is something else for the refs to fuck up have to think about
 

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I think players are more susceptible to injury when they continue to re-define what can and cant be done, cant tackle high cant tackle low....
As much as I despise the "tush push", I'm not sure I'd make it illegal. Nothing to stop other teams from trying it. All qb's will try a QB sneak in short yardage situations, I dont see why more teams dont do it.
The last thing we need is something else for the refs to fuck up have to think about
Agreed, I understand their view this specific tackle is prone to injury for obvious reasons but I just don't see a rule being defined well enough and then implemented well enough that it won't just be a clusterF for refs to judge fairly and evenly. Just one more thing to piss fans off when their team makes a football play and gets screwed over because of it.
 

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The last thing we need is something else for the refs to fuck up have to think about
This 100%.
We’ve made it difficult for refs to even call a game.
The NFL needs to stop adopting rules that can’t be called in real time.
Most people don’t even know what a catch is anymore, because you need slow motion, from different angles, just to clarify it.

The biggest problem with the Tush Push, is olinemen going at defenders ankles and knees.
 

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Fucking morons. So stupid, the hip drop tackle? Seriously?

Why don’t they just literally just ban all pads and make it American Rugby without the retarded scoring?

They just want another way to control outcomes of games for ratings. No more, no less.
 

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I think the Rams should invent the "Tutu Launch".
For short yardage, AD99 in the backfield, Tutu takes the direct snap, one big step and AD hurls him like a cheerleader over the line.
Would work every time
 

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How about we just eliminate the tackle all together.
 

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Fucking morons. So stupid, the hip drop tackle? Seriously?

Why don’t they just literally just ban all pads and make it American Rugby without the retarded scoring?

They just want another way to control outcomes of games for ratings. No more, no less.
Disagree.

This tackle is one that easily causes injury. It’s not a “hit”.. it’s the same concept as the horse collar rule.

I get the frustration.. but I cringe every time I see someone’s knee or ankle fold in a weird way on those.
 

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yeah too me this is one of the more bullshit things i see....

dudes tackles guys from behind and roll up on their legs.... they are just trying to do whatever it takes to make a tackle

But in reality if you roll your body on people's legs as you grab them from behind.... you know this could very well fuck up their knees or ankles.

Tackling is cool and all... but we need the best players playing the game and not on the sidelines.
 

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I think players are more susceptible to injury when they continue to re-define what can and cant be done, cant tackle high cant tackle low....
As much as I despise the "tush push", I'm not sure I'd make it illegal. Nothing to stop other teams from trying it. All qb's will try a QB sneak in short yardage situations, I dont see why more teams dont do it.
The last thing we need is something else for the refs to fuck up have to think about
Raheem apparently mentioned in the production meeting before last week's game that when he's HC again he's gonna run it over and over again just to make a point...

LOL.
 

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I think the Rams should invent the "Tutu Launch".
For short yardage, AD99 in the backfield, Tutu takes the direct snap, one big step and AD hurls him like a cheerleader over the line.
Would work every time
Evil Genious
 

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I think the Rams should invent the "Tutu Launch".
For short yardage, AD99 in the backfield, Tutu takes the direct snap, one big step and AD hurls him like a cheerleader over the line.
Would work every time
We need a Tutu dart board!

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I think the Rams should invent the "Tutu Launch".
For short yardage, AD99 in the backfield, Tutu takes the direct snap, one big step and AD hurls him like a cheerleader over the line.
Would work every time
It would work but would Tutu be able to take the pounding.
 

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I've been hearing that for thirty years and the NFL's success has only exploded.

I look at the death of the NFL for more than ratings and money. All I see is owners looking to increase their market share instead of doing what's "best" for the integrity of the game. Look no further than Soccer as the unequivocal placeholder in this regard. While I can't understand how anyone could watch such a biased & corrupted sport but here we are. I'm all for the NFL expanding their horizons but to what end?

Can you imagine the NFL changing their policies based upon a bunch of Swifty's (sp) point of view? Yeah that's where we're headed.
 

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Tush push is not football. Pushing a ball carrier from behind was always illegal when I grew up, they would throw a flag when it happened .
Why change the rule ?
When someone snaps their neck and ends up in a wheelchair maybe it will stop.