Next Year: Roll Dice on Bradford or draft Pick?
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If the Rams dont release him, then Demoff, Snead, and Fisher all need to be fired. That cap savings can be used on players that will help the team. If Bradford recovers from his 2nd ACL tear and the team wants to give him another go, then they can re-sign him back in 2015 for a much lower number. But at this existing contract - no way. They gotta release him.
Actually, this is (edit: ) ONLY partially correct. As CoachO has pointed out, because he's out for the year, per the CBA, he is entitled to his entire Paragraph 5 salary, which in Bradford's case is... all of it. He has no incentive to take LESS and be released. The only reason to do that would be if he felt he could come back this year. Upon release, he'd have to wait 8 games before signing with that same team...OR, he could sign with another team asap. However, in Sam Bradford's case, no team is going to sign a QB who just sustained his second ACL tear in 10 months.
So, even if the Rams release him, his cap number this year will remain the same.
I raised the question earlier because I wasn't sure if released and settled if those numbers counted against the cap. Well, they do, but season ending injuries are fully guaranteed, so there's nothing to negotiate unless Sam really wants to try and not be released prior to the 2015 season and wants to try and ensure he has a chance next season. He could negotiate less money for that chance. But I can't imagine Bradford wanting to give up enough in the next few days that the Rams would consider it.
Which means that for all intents and purposes, for the 2014 season, Bradford will be on IR. Things can change very rapidly, but unless something changes (and at this point, I don't think our nerves can handle much more right now), he won't be released. It's impractical. I won't say "can't" be released, but it's highly unlikely.
bluecoconuts
Legend
Roll the dice. If there is a good QB in the draft then take him, but roll the dice.
And approach him and tell him you'll still negotiate an extension, at a much lower price.
And approach him and tell him you'll still negotiate an extension, at a much lower price.
Not to be uber depressing, but I heard some medical sports guru on the NFL network say that a second injury to the same ACL can take almost twice as long as the first to heal. Not sure if that's accurate though.
Thats incorrect.
Base Salaries only become guaranteed if the player make the 53 man roster by the first game or is put on IR before that.
The Rams can still cut him before the start of the season and the injury settlement is up to 50% of this Paragraph 5 salary - up to a maximum of $1,300,000. Not sure where CoachO is getting his information but it is not right.
The CBA clearly states it on page 200.
Guys get hurt all the time in preseason and are cut with injury settlements. Part of the game.
I got my info from http://overthecap.com/what-exactly-are-injury-settlements/
The CBA protects players who are injured performing football activities. Essentially if you are injured your salary is protected, but it is only protected to a point. Remember there are various extents of injuries that occur in the NFL. An ACL tear is devastating and will cause a player to miss the entire season. That is a major injury and the player will earn his entire Paragraph 5 salary for the year.
That max of $1.3M doesn't make any sense at all. Guys who make more than that all the time and get their full money, even in the last year of their contracts. So somehow, we're missing something.
The CBA protects players who are injured performing football activities. Essentially if you are injured your salary is protected, but it is only protected to a point. Remember there are various extents of injuries that occur in the NFL. An ACL tear is devastating and will cause a player to miss the entire season. That is a major injury and the player will earn his entire Paragraph 5 salary for the year.
That max of $1.3M doesn't make any sense at all. Guys who make more than that all the time and get their full money, even in the last year of their contracts. So somehow, we're missing something.
As much as i would love for Bradford to have been the guy. Deep down I think I've known for a couple years that we would have to move on, one way or another. I'm excited to bring in a new rookie and see what we get. I'm hoping we get someone who can move but is a pocket guy 1st, in the Andrew Luck wheelhouse
BadCompany
Rookie
Didnt we draft Gilbert for this very reason? Wasn't he supposed to be our developmental QB?
I guess I just don't understand that pick. Hopefully they saw something I don't, because that would really go a long ways towards solving our problems, no? I mentioned Christian Ponder in another thread - does anybody think Gilbert can be as good as Ponder or Sanchez or even Hill? Not this year, but next?
I guess I just don't understand that pick. Hopefully they saw something I don't, because that would really go a long ways towards solving our problems, no? I mentioned Christian Ponder in another thread - does anybody think Gilbert can be as good as Ponder or Sanchez or even Hill? Not this year, but next?
It will be both, it generally takes 6-7 months to recover from ACL that will mean Bradford will be fully healthy by March. I still cant believe that the ACL is torn, it didnt look as bad as the first one, he didnt look like he was in as much pain, and he could walk. Maybe its not torn as badly, he already, unfortunately, knows how to rehab the knee. He will be much farther from this surgery at the beginning of next season than he was this season. But they have to cover themselves next season and draft a qb early next season, not necessarily in the first but at least by the second or third round.
Do you guys know it takes TWICE as long to come back from a retorn ACL? That means he'd maybe be ready for week 1 next year. Love the guy but no way does he stay unless he restructures and sits on the bench behind someone new next year and just see how it goes and maybe he'd get another shot. Need stability which we almost had and then POOF! its gone...
Both. Gilbert has arm talent and upside, but as with all later-round QB picks, he's a serious longshot. Bradford back should be a no-brainer, as he'll likely be quite inexpensive, he's got the system down, he's got chemistry with the team, and dammit he deserves a chance (just not a guaranteed job).
The other side, though, should be a highly-drafted rookie. Someone with a very good shot at becoming a long-term NFL quarterback. Mobility, no mobility, I don't care - we could go for a Mariota (trade the #32 and next year's 1st??) or we could go for a Sean Mannion (statue in the pocket with a bazooka arm).
I am not that worried that Fisher/Snead didn't draft a QB high this year. They had a plan - build the team around the QB position, get some short-term talent to back up Bradford in case the worst happened, and create a situation where a new/rookie QB can come in and go "Holy shitballs Batman, what an embarrassment of riches I have been dealt."
Or... y'know, 34 ain't exactly decrepit for a quarterback, particularly a pocket passer who doesn't rely on footspeed. If things go really well, Hill could be our starting QB for the next three years.
The other side, though, should be a highly-drafted rookie. Someone with a very good shot at becoming a long-term NFL quarterback. Mobility, no mobility, I don't care - we could go for a Mariota (trade the #32 and next year's 1st??) or we could go for a Sean Mannion (statue in the pocket with a bazooka arm).
I am not that worried that Fisher/Snead didn't draft a QB high this year. They had a plan - build the team around the QB position, get some short-term talent to back up Bradford in case the worst happened, and create a situation where a new/rookie QB can come in and go "Holy shitballs Batman, what an embarrassment of riches I have been dealt."
Or... y'know, 34 ain't exactly decrepit for a quarterback, particularly a pocket passer who doesn't rely on footspeed. If things go really well, Hill could be our starting QB for the next three years.
I don't think any of us laymen are experts on NFL contracts and negotiations. Because you're not right either. Carl Nicks, for example, just negotiated an injury settlement of $3,000,000.00. That appears to be well over the maximum amount allotted that you just posted. Since nobody knows what Bradford's contract looks like as it pertains to injury settlements (e.g., how much is guaranteed against injury), I'm pretty sure it's up to Demoff, Dogra and Condon.
Just going along with the latest trend: resurrecting ancient threads to scare people! 
So... should we kick the tires on Bradford again? Or pretty sure he’s done?
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So... should we kick the tires on Bradford again? Or pretty sure he’s done?
Awaiting “Boo this man” GIF...
I told you so!! ~ @LoyalJust going along with the latest trend: resurrecting ancient threads to scare people!
So... should we kick the tires on Bradford again? Or pretty sure he’s done?
Awaiting “Boo this man” GIF...