Newly signed DT Zach Colvin is someone to keep an eye on

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Guess they don't see it like you do 43. Maybe finding competition for GZ is a ship that has sailed. I doubt you can find anyone who could do that at this juncture. Maybe Kush and his fruity behavior don't have anything to do with how he's going to play, I'll definitely be watching him Saturday.

I'll say this about Colvin: he's intriguing because not only is he a physical beast, but he's also well coached. Maybe he did a workout and blew their minds? The assumption that he has zero chance to make the roster is yours my friend. The Rams clearly saw something they liked.
Agree 100% on Colvin which is what I said in the article don't laugh because he would have been a FA still if the Rams didn't see something in him
 

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Is it just me?But wouldn't it have been wonderful if S&F could have found an intriguing and promising candidate for backup C with our 90th spot?.........But Kush as backup C kinda scares me.......


So Fisher (he makes the final decisions) brings in a DT that has virtually a zero chance of making this roster? Damn!Does Fisher have a subconscious career death wish? Sigh...

Ref. your OC question......Not sure if there was a better WWC out there that was any better than the FOUR center reserves we currently have:

Demetrius Rhaney
Erik Kush
David Arkin
Brian Folkerts

If it were not Boudreau making the call here, Rams might just do with Rhaney who appears to be a better back up center than the others but very big questions if he can play anywhere else on the OL. Rhaney is just not a good fit with Boudreau. Boudreau demands that all OL reserves be able to play (good) more than one OL post. The other three have some better abilities playing other OL posts than Rhaney. I am sure we are in for some surprises here on this 9th OL spot.

Ref DL question.....I been concerned about the back up for Brockers now since the loss of Fairley. I think it remains so to this moment. It could be that the 6-1 300 pound Louis Trinca-Pasat was going to play a major role backing up Brockers.....his placement on IR may have cause much more of a concern for the DL than we knew???
 

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Ref. your OC question......Not sure if there was a better WWC out there that was any better than the FOUR center reserves we currently have:

Demetrius Rhaney
Erik Kush
David Arkin
Brian Folkerts

If it were not Boudreau making the call here, Rams might just do with Rhaney who appears to be a better back up center than the others but very big questions if he can play anywhere else on the OL. Rhaney is just not a good fit with Boudreau. Boudreau demands that all OL reserves be able to play (good) more than one OL post. The other three have some better abilities playing other OL posts than Rhaney. I am sure we are in for some surprises here on this 9th OL spot.

Ref DL question.....I been concerned about the back up for Brockers now since the loss of Fairley. I think it remains so to this moment. It could be that the 6-1 300 pound Louis Trinca-Pasat was going to play a major role backing up Brockers.....his placement on IR may have cause much more of a concern for the DL than we knew???
One thing I will say is that if Colvin balls out this camp and preseason he should make it over Cam Thomas.
 

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Ref. your OC question......Not sure if there was a better WWC out there that was any better than the FOUR center reserves we currently have:

Demetrius Rhaney
Erik Kush
David Arkin
Brian Folkerts

If it were not Boudreau making the call here, Rams might just do with Rhaney who appears to be a better back up center than the others but very big questions if he can play anywhere else on the OL. Rhaney is just not a good fit with Boudreau. Boudreau demands that all OL reserves be able to play (good) more than one OL post. The other three have some better abilities playing other OL posts than Rhaney. I am sure we are in for some surprises here on this 9th OL spot.

Ref DL question.....I been concerned about the back up for Brockers now since the loss of Fairley. I think it remains so to this moment. It could be that the 6-1 300 pound Louis Trinca-Pasat was going to play a major role backing up Brockers.....his placement on IR may have cause much more of a concern for the DL than we knew???

Anybody recall reading glowing camp reports on Rhaney, Kush, Arkin, or Folkerts at C?

Me neither.

I do recall reading about Kush's bad snaps at Goff's feet.

I was hoping that we could do better. I really like what they've done with the OL, otherwise.
 

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Anybody recall reading glowing camp reports on Rhaney, Kush, Arkin, or Folkerts at C?

Me neither.

I do recall reading about Kush's bad snaps at Goff's feet.

I was hoping that we could do better. I really like what they've done with the OL, otherwise.

Glowing camp reports :thinking: on back up centers???Come on Rams43 nobody watches back up centers when they could observe the many other fancy play toys.....I don't know if I have ever heard anything in TC about back up centers unless they "Kush Snap"!:D
 

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Glowing camp reports :thinking: on back up centers???Come on Rams43 nobody watches back up centers when they could observe the many other fancy play toys.....I don't know if I have ever heard anything in TC about back up centers unless they "Kush Snap"!:D

Point taken, Bonifay.

But let me ask you a question, since I consider you a bit of an OL guru poster.

Are you anywhere nearly as comfortable regarding our backup Center situation as you are with our backups at OG and OT?

Me neither.

Gawd forbid that Barnes suffers a serious injury this year while we're in a playoff push.

I rest my case.
 

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Is it just me?

But wouldn't it have been wonderful if S&F could have found an intriguing and promising candidate for backup C with our 90th spot?

Or maybe a serious competitor for GZ as a PK candidate?

We already have the best front 4 in the league. And quality depth behind the starters.

But Kush as backup C kinda scares me.

And GZ's on a 2 year downtrend. Missed 3 of 8 last year from 40-49 yards. Those should be bread and butter kicks for a top kicker. We lost 2 games last year due to GZ misses. Where is that promised serious competition for GZ that Fisher promised?

So Fisher (he makes the final decisions) brings in a DT that has virtually a zero chance of making this roster? Damn!

Does Fisher have a subconscious career death wish? Sigh...

I think we went over this.......2 of the 3 misses were blocks IIRC.
 

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Point taken, Bonifay.

But let me ask you a question, since I consider you a bit of an OL guru poster.

Are you anywhere nearly as comfortable regarding our backup Center situation as you are with our backups at OG and OT?

Me neither.

Gawd forbid that Barnes suffers a serious injury this year while we're in a playoff push.

I rest my case.
No. I am not happy with the reserve center situation. It still remains a concern as does the starting OLT.
 

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But wouldn't it have been wonderful if S&F could have found an intriguing and promising candidate for backup C with our 90th spot?
Kush...I think he's just settling in.....

But Kush as backup C kinda scares me.

No. I am not happy with the reserve center situation.
Maybe it's the eyes & glare that don't make you two happy or scared..

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Someone needs to buy 43 a tank top... Better yet, a poster of Kush IN one of his dress tank tops. :rolllaugh:
 

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Let's think about that for a min...Donald, Brockers, Quinn, Hayes....starters...
on passing downs we go, Quinn, Donald, Hayes, and....who do you like more? Coples on the Outside? Hell, I think Ayers at a DE is a good mix...Where exactly will Easley play on 2nd & 3rd downs? Or is he spelling Donald? Is Sims still in the rotation? How about Westbrooks? Plenty of options, but what exactly is the best fit????

If Easley is healthy, you go Quinn, Donald, Easley, and Hayes. Coples spells Hayes. Sims is definitely still in the rotation.(spells Quinn)

Easley is a very disruptive interior pass rusher. He's going to give you more pass rush ability at DT than Coples at DE. And Will Hayes gets to play his natural position.
 

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Point taken, Bonifay.

But let me ask you a question, since I consider you a bit of an OL guru poster.

Are you anywhere nearly as comfortable regarding our backup Center situation as you are with our backups at OG and OT?

Me neither.

Gawd forbid that Barnes suffers a serious injury this year while we're in a playoff push.

I rest my case.

I doubt most fans are comfortable with their backup Center. We happen to be extremely deep at OG and OT because of all the assets we put into those positions over the past couple of years. That's a benefit. And it's also out of the ordinary.
 

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Center? Semi- legitimate concern. Give it a 3-4 on a scale of 1-10.

But if we have to worry about winning games based on our kicker , we have WAY bigger problems.
 

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Just camp depth to rest bodies. I dont expect to see a lot of Donald and Brockers in preseason games, and Easley is coming off an injury as well. So just game depth for the ugly 4th quarters of preseason games, and the kid has some tools and a shot at the Practice Squad. So what's the big deal?

You really think they are going to find a center at this point in training camp that could make the team? Right or wrong, they addressed that concern for center depth when they added Kush and Folkerts. So they have 4 guys for one spot now...how would a 5th center even get reps?? The rams have 4 DTs for two starting spots, and a few situational DE's that can play there in passing situations. So the DL rotates guys continuously in games and in series, not so much at the center position. So you can easily get reps for a 5th DT vs a 5th center.
 

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Point taken, Bonifay.

But let me ask you a question, since I consider you a bit of an OL guru poster.

Are you anywhere nearly as comfortable regarding our backup Center situation as you are with our backups at OG and OT?

Me neither.

Gawd forbid that Barnes suffers a serious injury this year while we're in a playoff push.

I rest my case.
I got to thinking about this & my thought's that nobody would be watching our cadre of back up centers @ TC.....I do know of a fan who would ....& its me.;) Give that assignment to me ! interior or exterior OL play would trump all others for me.

If Barnes was to go down for awhile I would look for Boudreau to go with the OC who has the most NFL game experience. That would be Brian Folkerts. He has 28 NFL games under his belt & is in his 4th TC and soon 4th pre season too. Folkerts may be 2nd largest of all our OC's with Kush being the much bigger OC. Folkerts played both OG & OT in college but was shifted to OC when he hit the Saints camp back in 2012 but was released the week the season began. Folkerts then went to play for the San Jose SaberCats for the 2013 season. Folkerts played fullback for the SaberCats. He was active with the Panthers for two years but suffered an injury & then ended up with the 9ers. Folkerts is a pure swing OL'er that Boudreau demands from his reserves. Folkerts in his pro day did 35 reps of 225.

Eric Kush is a legit 320 pounder over 6-4 & was drafted by KC. Kush is the more pure center but has played all five OL positions one time or another if needed. He is a character & known to be tough. This is Kush's 5th NFL team since 2013. I would imagine is typical for most NFL reserves centers. I have no dog in this fight but Demetrius Rhaney will be in this fight until the last pre season game has ended.
 

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.....We already have the best front 4 in the league. And quality depth behind the starters........So Fisher (he makes the final decisions) brings in a DT that has virtually a zero chance of making this roster?

Interesting signing to me since I'm still old school and want to stop the run above all else. The DL is in great shape with plenty of elite pass rush options, but the rush defense still concerns me. To become elite the defense must be consistently stout and end the roller coaster of completely stuffing a great team one week to giving up 150 yards rushing to a bad team the next. I will be much more comfortable if and when the Rams establish a #4 run-stuffing specialist DT that can step in for Brockers if needed, maybe this kid is that, who knows? Plus I'm a sucker for small school stories...

The thing here I see with this recent DT signing is a desire to look at another possible run stopper @ DT. NT Brockers main back up currently is Cam Thomas. Cam is a pure 34 NT and its been 5 yrs since his last sack. Gregg Williams just can't stand any DL'er who can not pressure the QB. He lost Louis Tricant Pasat on the IR & as I said GW may have really been counting on this stumpy 6-1 300 pounder to back up Brockers.

Zack Colvin may be a true LTP replacement type DL'er. I am sure we will see a ton of Cam Thomas going at it with the Cowboys interior OL. But I would expect to see Colvin get in some serious late game playing time too. Fisher mentioned that Westbrooks & Coples were going to change up on where they will be seen on the field for a while. Coples size which was said to be between 290 & 295 pounder on that 6-6 frame could come in handy playing behind Brockers too on possible passing downs. Westbrooks is still listed under 270 & that very light for a 6-4 DT. Its just me but I believe that Coples can be a more positive impact for GW from his interior plays.....I will keep up on this. #1- We have heard that Fisher will make a change with Colpes getting more inside action & #2-the signing of a run stopper DT Colvin......something is moving?

The thing here for GW right now with this entire DL cadre before they signed Colvin was .... he has 9 DE's who can play DE, 7 DL'ers who can play the 3 tech DT post, but only 2 that have shown they can play the NT post. So IMO if DT Zach Colvin can prove he can be effective from both interior DL posts as a run stopper, he may have a good chance to be GW's 9th DL behind the below main 8:

LDE-Hayes/Westbrooks
NT-Brockers/Coples
DT-Donald/Easley
RDE-Quinn/Sims
 
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Is it just me?

But wouldn't it have been wonderful if S&F could have found an intriguing and promising candidate for backup C with our 90th spot?

Or maybe a serious competitor for GZ as a PK candidate?

I have a feeling that both of those guys might not be on the roster, if Greg Zuerlein struggles I look for either Connor Barth (Saints) or Scott Suisham (Steelers) to be cut, however, I have a good feeling about Zuerlein this year at the very least I'm betting he has a good preseason. Also if Eric Kush cannot prove to be a capable back-up again I believe the Rams will pick up a player because I hold out little hope for Demetrius Rhaney and my feeling is the Rams needed another DT that was a run stuffer, they only have Brockers, Cam Thomas and now the Bowling Green State University alum in Zach Colvin!
 

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The thing here I see with this recent DT signing is a desire to look at another possible run stopper @ DT. NT Brockers main back up currently is Cam Thomas. Cam is a pure 34 NT and its been 5 yrs since his last sack. Gregg Williams just can't stand any DL'er who can not pressure the QB. He lost Louis Tricant Pasat on the IR & as I said GW may have really been counting on this stumpy 6-1 300 pounder to back up Brockers.

Zack Colvin may be a true LTP replacement type DL'er. I am sure we will see a ton of Cam Thomas going at it with the Cowboys interior OL. But I would expect to see Colvin get in some serious late game playing time too. Fisher mentioned that Westbrooks & Coples were going to change up on where they will be seen on the field for a while. Coples size which was said to be between 290 & 295 pounder on that 6-6 frame could come in handy playing behind Brockers too on possible passing downs. Westbrooks is still listed under 270 & that very light for a 6-4 DT. Its just me but I believe that Coples can be a more positive impact for GW from his interior plays.....I will keep up on this. #1- We have heard that Fisher will make a change with Colpes getting more inside action & #2-the signing of a run stopper DT Colvin......something is moving?

The thing here for GW right now with this entire DL cadre before they signed Colvin was .... he has 9 DE's who can play DE, 7 DL'ers who can play the 3 tech DT post, but only 2 that have shown they can play the NT post. So IMO if DT Zach Colvin can prove he can be effective from both interior DL posts as a run stopper, he may have a good chance to be GW's 9th DL behind the below main 8:

LDE-Hayes/Westbrooks
NT-Brockers/Coples
DT-Donald/Easley
RDE-Quinn/Sims
I don't agree on your theory about LPT but I think your 100% right about Coples. I think his best spot would be imside. I also believe Westbrook best position is DE. I also agree if this kid can show he can play in the preseason games he will push Cam off the roster. Your final 8 look like killer lineup. They would give Offense coordinator's nightmares