My Boy Mannion

[blackbart]

His only play is/was/has been preseason play....except for a few snaps here and there...So he did play preseason in his rookie year. He played preseason last year...He's playing preseason this year. That's 3. If he was any good...he'd have played during the last 3 years. If he was any good, he'd score more TD's vs 3rd stringers.

Except Fisher was calling the shots and his guy was starting regardless of who looked best in camp and preseason.

 

[Dxmissile]

I know that Mannion went in during the second quarter, I'm just saying he spent most of the day, including when he looked best, against non-starters.

I'd say you're moving the goalpost a bit with the "tougher playing guys that aren't half assing it" bit as well.

How, they blitzed him more, these guys are trying to make the team so you think they don't wanna play hard you think Reynolds get hit like that against one of their starters hell no, these young guys are hungry and wants to make a play. Mannion has to deal with a bad offensive line he also had to deal with 5 fumbles and penalties something Goff hasn't faced and yet he is still a bright spot. Last year when Mannion was scoring touchdowns it was he is doing against 3rd stringers so now since he isn't throwing as many it's he's no good cause he can't beat third stringers the shit get funnier every week

 

[Dxmissile]

Totally not true but whatever. He checked down to rb and barely got in to fg range in 1st half and there were no starters left in the game in his solo td drive. He was fortunate they called his fumble an incomplete. He made a great throw to Reynolds no doubt, so kudos on that. But his routine is wearing thin. He is a check down machine until the 3rd stringers are in and then he gets aggressive

Or maybe the playcalling gets aggressive with Mannion in how many throws have Goff attempted deep only 1 to Watkins, Goff is the check down king

 

[Dxmissile]

I would say goff routine is getting thin sack fumble defensive touchdown and then an interception at least it wasn't a pick 6 but hey, last week everybody thought he arrived but forgot about the first half of the saints game so right now going off of evidence yeah Goff routine stinks

 

[JackDRams]

 

[LACHAMP46]

Except Fisher was calling the shots and his guy was starting regardless of who looked best in camp and preseason.

Now it's McVay calling them....If Goff struggles, we can re-visit this.

 

[JIMERAMS]

Smh I was waiting for this. He looked like crap at first against the 2nd stringers almost got our receivers
killed a couple of times and made some good throws against 3rd stringers so what he isn't that good and isn't going to start unless goff is hurt. You know what they say? Love is blind

 

[bluecoconuts]

How, they blitzed him more, these guys are trying to make the team so you think they don't wanna play hard you think Reynolds get hit like that against one of their starters hell no, these young guys are hungry and wants to make a play. Mannion has to deal with a bad offensive line he also had to deal with 5 fumbles and penalties something Goff hasn't faced and yet he is still a bright spot. Last year when Mannion was scoring touchdowns it was he is doing against 3rd stringers so now since he isn't throwing as many it's he's no good cause he can't beat third stringers the crap get funnier every week

Because the starters still try, they don't just half ass it, or at least the vast majority of them don't, and they're more talented either.

Mannion had a good game, nobody is really going to debate you hard on that fact. You're getting resistance not because people don't like Mannion or think he's bad, but because you keep trying to elevate what he does and what he's capable of, while downplaying everything that Goff does.

If Mannion was as good as you say he is then he would have been given a chance right now. The coaches and scouts in the NFL spend far more time evaluating every player on every roster, you think that coaches don't get tape of Mannion and that's why he hasn't gotten a chance? Because they do and they evaluate him.

I like Mannion, but he's not a starting QB, he doesn't have the upside of Goff and he doesn't have the skill of Goff. Every single year every team talks about how great their backup is and believe that their backup could step in and start.. The reality is most aren't and can't, which is why you constantly see a struggle to find that long term answer. Mannion not being given that shot you're asking for means that the coaches in the NFL don't seem to think he has that potential. That's fine, there's still a place for him in the NFL, but those coaches know more than any of us here.

 

[LACHAMP46]

ol you too funny, he barely played his rookie year he has 7 touchdowns passes in his preseason career and I swear you seem to think he has been playing with starters he is also playing with 3rd stringers lol he has as many touchdowns damn near as Goff in preseason and regular season

Thanx! I like making people laugh.

If he plays against 3rd stringers...he should have better stats. He'll be starting next week....Lets see how he does. Against Green Bay...Oh yeah, Green Bay has a QB I liked a bunch....Bret Hundley...compare and contrast the two.

 

[Dxmissile]

Because the starters still try, they don't just half ass it, or at least the vast majority of them don't, and they're more talented either.

Mannion had a good game, nobody is really going to debate you hard on that fact. You're getting resistance not because people don't like Mannion or think he's bad, but because you keep trying to elevate what he does and what he's capable of, while downplaying everything that Goff does.

If Mannion was as good as you say he is then he would have been given a chance right now. The coaches and scouts in the NFL spend far more time evaluating every player on every roster, you think that coaches don't get tape of Mannion and that's why he hasn't gotten a chance? Because they do and they evaluate him.

I like Mannion, but he's not a starting QB, he doesn't have the upside of Goff and he doesn't have the skill of Goff. Every single year every team talks about how great their backup is and believe that their backup could step in and start.. The reality is most aren't and can't, which is why you constantly see a struggle to find that long term answer. Mannion not being given that shot you're asking for means that the coaches in the NFL don't seem to think he has that potential. That's fine, there's still a place for him in the NFL, but those coaches know more than any of us here.

I don't down play anything Goff does. I support Goff but you and others don't notice his downfalls and portray him as a franchise qb because he was picked number 1, prime example last week and all the "excitement" surrounding his game.

You say he don't have the skill of Goff what do you mean cause arm strength and accuracy can't be denied and I would even say Mannion has a much better deep ball than Goff. Mannion has better pocket presence then Goff

Goff might have more upside but that means nothing if he can't get it together it's clear that Mannion is mentally tougher and smarter as a QB then Goff. And we all know how Fisher plays young QBs.

 

[Dxmissile]

Thanx! I like making people laugh.

If he plays against 3rd stringers...he should have better stats. He'll be starting next week....Lets see how he does. Against Green Bay...Oh yeah, Green Bay has a QB I liked a bunch....Bret Hundley...compare and contrast the two.

But last year you was one of the main ones saying he was only scoring touchdowns because of third stringers, Fisher didn't even let him play in the second game because he looked so much better then Goff, so make up your mind about this third string stuff

 

[Dxmissile]

Smh I was waiting for this. He looked like crap at first against the 2nd stringers almost got our receivers
killed a couple of times and made some good throws against 3rd stringers so what he isn't that good and isn't going to start unless goff is hurt. You know what they say? Love is blind

Exactly like yours for Goff

 

[Dxmissile]

Thanx! I like making people laugh.

If he plays against 3rd stringers...he should have better stats. He'll be starting next week....Lets see how he does. Against Green Bay...Oh yeah, Green Bay has a QB I liked a bunch....Bret Hundley...compare and contrast the two.

Yeah I liked Hundley a lot too

 

[JIMERAMS]

Exactly like yours for Goff

Haha I don't even like Goff but he is more talented than mannion.

 

[Dxmissile]

Haha I don't even like Goff but he is more talented than mannion.

I think he is more talented too that just hasn't worked out much for him

 

[JIMERAMS]

I think he is more talented too that just hasn't worked out much for him

He needs time I would rather still have Bradford but that's just my opinion.

 

[bluecoconuts]

I don't down play anything Goff does. I support Goff but you and others don't notice his downfalls and portray him as a franchise qb because he was picked number 1, prime example last week and all the "excitement" surrounding his game.

You say he don't have the skill of Goff what do you mean cause arm strength and accuracy can't be denied and I would even say Mannion has a much better deep ball than Goff. Mannion has better pocket presence then Goff

Goff might have more upside but that means nothing if he can't get it together it's clear that Mannion is mentally tougher and smarter as a QB then Goff. And we all know how Fisher plays young QBs.

Fisher has nothing to do with this, so I'm not going to address that. This is McVay's team now.

Mannion does not have better pocket presence that Goff does, especially when Goff is feeling confident.

One of Mannions biggest weaknesses coming out of college was that he got rattled easily when the pressure was there, and that he wasn't a mentally tough QB... Goff on the other hand was praised as an incredibly mentally tough QB after what happened to him at CAL.

Deep ball is probably a wash or a slight edge to Mannion, but Goff's deep ball isn't much worse.

We have no idea who has the offense down better at this point to grade them on their smarts. It doesn't appear as if Goff is having any issue with the playbook or reading defenses. The past two weeks I don't think he's made a poor read while playing. He's made a poor throw on a good read, but he made a good read nonetheless. Mannion on the other hand has made poor reads (his TD to Reynolds last week was a poor read that worked out for him).... So we can't really judge their intelligence at this point.

Again, I like Mannion, I think he's a pretty good QB, but he's not better than Goff, and that's why he's not starting. There's no conspiracy and Mannion isn't being punished for some reason, Goff is just a better QB and he has more potential.

 

[JackDRams]

Mannions pocket awareness on Madden will probably be like 10. He just doesn't have any. To say he has more then Goff is silly. Though people are allowed to have opinions.

One play in particular this game. Goff is rushed from the right side of the line, he steps up on the pocket and sneaks through the right side of the line and before he gets hit, finds Malcolm Brown for a big gain. You'll never see Mannion make a play like this. He doesn't have the foot speed.

 

[DaveFan'51]

I only have two problems with his film from yesterday.
-he puts his receivers on death row with his passes
-he locks onto one read and throws to that player, even if they're covered well

Aside from that. I was presently surprised with him for sure.

The problems you mention are easily correctable and he's going to be a fine Back-up! I wouldn't worry if he had to step in for a while!

 

[Dxmissile]

Mannions pocket awareness on Madden will probably be like 10. He just doesn't have any. To say he has more then Goff is silly. Though people are allowed to have opinions.

One play in particular this game. Goff is rushed from the right side of the line, he steps up on the pocket and sneaks through the right side of the line and before he gets hit, finds Malcolm Brown for a big gain. You'll never see Mannion make a play like this. He doesn't have the foot speed.

lol but Mannion has made plays like that all preseason. And once again that was a good play for Goff for finding him but it was still a dump down. Mannion has moved up in the pocket and delivered strikes on 3rd down and 4th down. When I say pocket presence I'm talking about manipulating the pocket to get your throws off to avoid the rush and still throw a catchable ball, Goff protection has been great when he played Mannion hasn't he has to do that on almost every play