Mcvays play calling

[jrry32]

Two things can be true at the same time. Yeah, we scored 34. But it easily could have been more. Not taking the three at the end of the half was criminal. Avg of 5 yds/carry but throwing 42 times.

It easily could have been less. Do you know how many teams scored more than 34 points against the Panthers this year? Two. The Bills and the Patriots. It's easy to sit on your couch and second-guess decisions that don't go our way. McVay is one of the best in the business, and the results back that up.

 

[Merlin]

Shula needs to step it up or we are done. We need more random blitzes to rush QBs and get them uncomfortable, saw some of that today late.

This won't be popular but my take on Shula is that he is weak on the secondary. Dude cut his teeth in the front seven, and only did one year with the secondary which was a fucking disaster of a season if I have the windows lined up right with my three remaining brain cells.

Also I think Aubrey is a bit overrated. He was covered quite a bit by Morris in my opinion. Got fired in Detroit because he wasn't as advanced schematically as they anticipated. And now I suspect the Rams have things set up where Shula runs the front and Aubrey's involved on the back end.

Additionally Aubrey's a safety background, and seems to be stronger with those guys than the corners. Can't even recall if we have a "corner" coach either. But either way while I don't know how the calls are shaped, I am starting to suspect the combo of Shula and Pleasant may be subpar to run a secondary for what must be a top defense under McVay.

Which is why I keep saying we need to load this corner room this offseason. But if you have doubts on your corner coaches, do you want them picking the groceries for the meal? The whole thing bears watching I'd say.

 

[kmramsfan]

I thought he called a very good game! The execution was the issue.

Yep.
Staff missed on 2 wide open and probable TD throws tonight. He's got a thing about that.
And there's Puka's drop that looked like 6 just before the half.
I don't think it's necessarily always a play calling issue.

 

[Jacobarch]

That was a mistake. However ask yourself if you would have bitched about it if we converted it and scored.

Also the metric is whether we won. And we did. So it's water under the bridge.

I can't live in a hyperbole. I can only go by what actually happens. And I would have taken the points instead of going for it.

We always talk shit on Dan Campbell for this exact reason.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Yep.
Staff missed on 2 wide open and probable TD throws tonight. He's got a thing about that.
And there's Puka's drop that looked like 6 just before the half.
I don't think it's necessarily always a play calling issue.

The deep one to Adams on the right sideline was a miss but I don't think he scores. The safety was coming over and had the angle for a tackle.

What was the other TD miss?

 

[Tumak61]

Playcalling is one of McVay's strengths. He knows how he wants to attack defenses. Offensive design, play calling, McVay is elite.

 

[FrantikRam]

Hopefully this week....but if not, moving forward....McVay needs to figure out why our third down offense is so bad relatively speaking. We were slightly above average on the year, but when you juxtapose that with the overall offensive performance it has stuck out a little all year.....and then nearly sunk us yesterday.

I think we probably need another WR, but McVay needs to get that figured out

 

[Jacobarch]

Hopefully this week....but if not, moving forward....McVay needs to figure out why our third down offense is so bad relatively speaking. We were slightly above average on the year, but when you juxtapose that with the overall offensive performance it has stuck out a little all year.....and then nearly sunk us yesterday.

I think we probably need another WR, but McVay needs to get that figured out

Ill tell you why.

First down. Run for 6-8 yards
Second and 3. Deep PA pass, incomplete
Third down and 3. Shotgun pass incomplete

Its pretty obvious

 

[majrleaged]

Why dredge up old posts?

why start new threads when there is a perfectly good one already?

 

[majrleaged]

I thought he called a very good game! The execution was the issue.

Yeah, I don't know wtf is going on with Stafford, but he is running hot and cold last couple of games. I have never seen him miss players so badly except when something is wrong. Missing 19 in atlanta for example. This game though he was way off on a bunch of throws. Some of it was coverage, but at least half of this 8 incompletions in a row were just off.

 

[tklongball]

Yeah, I don't know wtf is going on with Stafford, but he is running hot and cold last couple of games. I have never seen him miss players so badly except when something is wrong. Missing 19 in atlanta for example. This game though he was way off on a bunch of throws. Some of it was coverage, but at least half of this 8 incompletions in a row were just off.

Did you not see that he injured his hand when he was 10-15 for 137 & 1TD? They showed like a hundred replays of it. It clearly affected him for a good portion of the game. He injured his Index Finger on his throwing hand. Anyone who has ever thrown a football understands how that can affect your ability to throw accurately. In the 4th Qtr, he was 12/15 for 143 & 2 TDs, so he overcame the injury and was great when we needed it.

 

[HitStick]

Two things can be true at the same time. Yeah, we scored 34. But it easily could have been more. Not taking the three at the end of the half was criminal. Avg of 5 yds/carry but throwing 42 times.

It also should be noted that there was a longer sustained drive towards the end where McVay did start running the ball again, and the defense followed it up with a stop. It’s no wonder the defense plays better when we don’t go three and out after three straight passes.

Yes, McVay is the best coach in the NFL and I wouldn’t want another coach leading this team, but to simply say, “He can do whatever he wants” as if to say he’s essentially perfect, is silly. He has shortcomings, and that’s not running the ball. Especially to get into 3rd and short and not constant 3rd and 10. He also becomes borderline predictable at times. There was several plays I saw coming, and if I see it as a JUCO bench warmer, I know those DBs saw it.

 

[majrleaged]

Did you not see that he injured his hand when he was 10-15 for 137 & 1TD? They showed like a hundred replays of it. It clearly affected him for a good portion of the game. He injured his Index Finger on his throwing hand. Anyone who has ever thrown a football understands how that can affect your ability to throw accurately. In the 4th Qtr, he was 12/15 for 143 & 2 TDs, so he overcame the injury and was great when we needed it.

He started out 8 for 8. So he was in the middle of a 2 for 7 streak when he hit his hand. So the injury didn't help of course, but he had already gone cold. My statement you are replying to is also including the games after Seattle. He has been very inconsistent. I like that he over came and lead the rams on a game winning drive, but if he could just be more consistently good, the Rams might not have to pull it out at the end. Maybe it is play calling or the D fooling him or covering better, I don't know. Whatever it is, the Rams need to fix it fast. It is happening way to much.

 

[majrleaged]

It also should be noted that there was a longer sustained drive towards the end where McVay did start running the ball again, and the defense followed it up with a stop. It’s no wonder the defense plays better when we don’t go three and out after three straight passes.

Yes, McVay is the best coach in the NFL and I wouldn’t want another coach leading this team, but to simply say, “He can do whatever he wants” as if to say he’s essentially perfect, is silly. He has shortcomings, and that’s not running the ball. Especially to get into 3rd and short and not constant 3rd and 10. He also becomes borderline predictable at times. There was several plays I saw coming, and if I see it as a JUCO bench warmer, I know those DBs saw it.

McVay has come out of the half and called 2 runs and a pass or 2 runs and 3rd and 1 run and punted as well. I think the fact is the Rams come out flat sometimes. We bitch about the play calling a lot and sometimes it kills us. like the 4th and 1 to loose to the whiners. But most of the time it is the players because I have seen McVay do both. Run to much or pass to much whatever.

 

[kmramsfan]

The deep one to Adams on the right sideline was a miss but I don't think he scores. The safety was coming over and had the angle for a tackle.

What was the other TD miss?

I'm probably mixing the two up. I thought that DA would likely score there.
I just get all wound up when Staff misses these opportunities ...... and he seems to do it once a game.
The 2nd one was probably Puka's uncharacteristic drop right before the half.
For some reason I thought there was a miss down the left sideline during the first half, prior to Puka's missed catch.

 

[HitStick]

I'm probably mixing the two up. I thought that DA would likely score there.
I just get all wound up when Staff misses these opportunities ...... and he seems to do it once a game.
The 2nd one was probably Puka's uncharacteristic drop right before the half.
For some reason I thought there was a miss down the left sideline during the first half, prior to Puka's missed catch.

That was an overthrow to DA, but I’m not so sure that “swirling wind” they talked about didn’t play a roll. The ball seemed to carry a bit

 

[DeaconJones]

Come out in the 3rd quarter and go three and out. 3 passes in a row.

And all 3 passes were targeted to Davante. It's like they really decided at halftime that he HAD to get the ball more.

 

[Squidhead]

As Rams fans, we are exceptionally fortunate to have McVay as our leader. He is a tremendous play-caller - one of the best. To imply anything else is ludicrous. Buoyed by historical 'witch-like' play recall he is as strong both tactically and strategically.

With that, count me as a proponent for installing a malleable, sharp booth-side coordinator calling plays on game day (starting next year). As a brilliant leader, the team would benefit greatly with McVay relinquishing some tactical responsibilities (play calling is exceptionally taxing) for a bigger-picture, increased strategic focus on all aspects of the team on game-day (including ST & D). Not because he isn't great at it, but because the team would benefit even more with him stepping back a bit.

He should obviously continue to lead the strategic game planning, scheming, play designs, etc. in the lead-up, while on Sunday being more focused on themes, situations, avoiding tendencies, etc., with strong play-calling field general engaging in the trenches.

 

[Ellard80]

stafford has the final say on the playcall.

mcvay gives him options - sometimes people get angry at mcvay, when stafford often makes the final call at the line.

 

[Psycho_X]

McVay is a great playcaller. He sets a lot of stuff up later in the game with things he does earlier. Sometimes it doesn't work out but more often than not it does.

Only thing I disagree about yesterday was going on 4th and 3 instead of taking the points. We had the momentum and should have just kept stacking points when able. Teams like the Panthers have to go for it on 4th down because they're not as good so they have to take the risk. We don't need to currently. If it was 4th and a yard or less than I'd be more inclined. But 4th and 3... nah take them points.