McVay Regrets Mistakes In Championship Game Loss

[David Ray]

I just remember this

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Unless the driver in the limousine was listening to the Laker game.

When this character and the character that looks like Huey Lewis first enter the building, this character is describing a very elaborate Laker fast break that even involves Kareem while the white guy looks bored as shit.
Perfect for making the security desk think nothing untoward is about to occur.

 

[Allen2McVay]

When this character and the character that looks like Huey Lewis …

He really did … didn’t he?!?

 

[RamWoodie]

NOTHING LOOMED LARGER THAN THAT MUFFED PUNT!!!

That is all!!!

 

[Tano]

He really did … didn’t he?!?

I thought it was Huey Lewis when I watched it

 

[Allen2McVay]

I thought it was Huey Lewis when I watched it

 

[Tano]

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[NorthernRam]

No, you're completely missing the point. Regardless of whether we kicked the FG or failed on fourth down, we needed to get a stop and get the ball back. We failed to do that. Seattle's game plan would have been the same. Convert first downs and run clock. By the time we got the ball back, we were stuck on our 7 yard line with no timeouts and only 25 seconds left. We had only moved the ball to the Seattle 49 yard line by the time the clock expired. If McVay kicks the FG, that's still a loss. Your alternate scenario relies on the fantasy of our defense getting a stop it failed to get in real life.

Oh, and by the way, if we had kicked the FG, Seattle almost certainly gets the ball somewhere between the 20 and the 35 yard line, instead of at their own 6 yard line. Given the fact that Seattle punted from our 45 yard line, that means the extra field position would have enabled them to kick a FG, extending their lead to 4. I'm glad McVay had the balls to go for the lead with how poorly our defense was playing. The defense vindicated that decision when they shat the bed.

You're mistakenly trying to justify a poor coaching decision based upon the flawed approach of - after the fact - looking at the specifics of how our defence actually played after McVay's decision. All of which - including Seattle's playcalling - was clearly influenced by the fact that they were up by more than a field goal.

What the Seahawks were able to do if we had kicked the field goal is entirely irrelevant. A coach's job is to maximize their team's chances to win, and putting your team in a position where only a field goal is needed to win was the call to make there.

The fact is that there is a world of difference between how both teams call plays in late game situations when they are separated by less than a field goal.

By itelf, gambling on 4th and 4 in such a crucial situation was a very poor decision. It actually made the Seahawks' playcalling easier and our play options quite predictable by removing the running option.

Based on the down and distance alone of the 4th and 4 play, we had no real option to run the ball there.

So, the Seahawks were able to stuff us by selling out for the pass and double covering our attacking players.
Whatever play we called there was dead on arrival.

It was a dumb decision by McVay, a Dan Campbell-style, ill advised 4th down decision, actually.

 

[jrry32]

You're mistakenly trying to justify a poor coaching decision based upon the flawed approach of - after the fact - looking at the specifics of how our defence actually played after McVay's decision. All of which - including Seattle's playcalling - was clearly influenced by the fact that they were up by more than a field goal.

What the Seahawks were able to do if we had kicked the field goal is entirely irrelevant. A coach's job is to maximize their team's chances to win, and putting your team in a position where only a field goal is needed to win was the call to make there.

The fact is that there is a world of difference between how both teams call plays in late game situations when they are separated by less than a field goal.

By itelf, gambling on 4th and 4 in such a crucial situation was a very poor decision. It actually made the Seahawks' playcalling easier and our play options quite predictable by removing the running option.

Based on the down and distance alone of the 4th and 4 play, we had no real option to run the ball there.

So, the Seahawks were able to stuff us by selling out for the pass and double covering our attacking players.
Whatever play we called there was dead on arrival.

It was a dumb decision by McVay, a Dan Campbell-style, ill advised 4th down decision, actually.

No, I'm applauding McVay for being aggressive and making the right coaching decision. You're embracing the world of fantasy to justify your conservative approach that would have also left us with a loss. Your scenario hinges on the defense getting a stop it could not get in real life. And your only way around that is to try and claim that Seattle would make mistakes they didn't in real life because there was more pressure on them. No sale.

Seattle would have had the same game plan to run clock and could have done so just as effectively in your scenario. McVay made the right call on that 4th down play. I'm glad he didn't coach scared.

 

[Coliseum Ram]

No, I'm applauding McVay for being aggressive and making the right coaching decision. You're embracing the world of fantasy to justify your conservative approach that would have also left us with a loss. Your scenario hinges on the defense getting a stop it could not get in real life. And your only way around that is to try and claim that Seattle would make mistakes they didn't in real life because there was more pressure on them. No sale.

Seattle would have had the same game plan to run clock and could have done so just as effectively in your scenario. McVay made the right call on that 4th down play. I'm glad he didn't coach scared.

I have WAY WAY less of a problem with McVays 4th down call than his before the half FUBAR.

 

[dieterbrock]

I have WAY WAY less of a problem with McVays 4th down call than his before the half FUBAR.

That's a complete contradiction because it's virtually the same thing. He was aggressive on offense, didnt make 1st down and the defense couldnt make a stop

 

[Coliseum Ram]

That's a complete contradiction because it's virtually the same thing. He was aggressive on offense, didnt make 1st down and the defense couldnt make a stop

Two different things entirely. False equivalency

 

[Classic Rams]

That's been fixed.......except for the ST's.
McDuffy and Watson.

Yup, as we know a good pass rush helps the 2ndary and a good 2ndary allows more time to get to the QB. Can't wait to watch this D.

 

[Fire Ants]

What team calls a timeout when it's 2nd and 5 with 1:33 left on the clock?

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This is what really stood out to me in the game.
Why would anyone call a TO there?

 

[NorthernRam]

No, I'm applauding McVay for being aggressive and making the right coaching decision. You're embracing the world of fantasy to justify your conservative approach that would have also left us with a loss. Your scenario hinges on the defense getting a stop it could not get in real life. And your only way around that is to try and claim that Seattle would make mistakes they didn't in real life because there was more pressure on them. No sale.

Seattle would have had the same game plan to run clock and could have done so just as effectively in your scenario. McVay made the right call on that 4th down play. I'm glad he didn't coach scared.

There is a difference between coaching scared and coaching smart.

I am definitely not conservative, I am in favor of being aggressive and taking it to the opponent, but you have to be situationally judicious.

4th and 4 is such a low percentage gamble that it was foolish to take a risk there when the points were there to be taken.

Again, I'm not saying that McVay's not a good coach - on the contrary he is excellent.

However, this situation was another of a series of poor game management decisions that hurt the Rams down the stretch last season.

As for the decision not run out the clock before halftime of the same game, using your logic the defence blew it by not stopping the Seahawks from scoring.

I view it that the coach's decision put the defence in a position that it should not have been in.

 

[jrry32]

There is a difference between coaching scared and coaching smart.

I am definitely not conservative, I am in favor of being aggressive and taking it to the opponent, but you have to be situationally judicious.

4th and 4 is such a low percentage gamble that it was foolish to take a risk there when the points were there to be taken.

Again, I'm not saying that McVay's not a good coach - on the contrary he is excellent.

However, this situation was another of a series of poor game management decisions that hurt the Rams down the stretch last season.

As for the decision not run out the clock before halftime of the same game, using your logic the defence blew it by not stopping the Seahawks from scoring.

I view it that the coach's decision put the defence in a position that it should not have been in.

Yes, the defense did blow it before half too. That's why we went out and acquired two legit starters at CB. I don't have the exact numbers regarding the analytics, but my understanding is that a 4th and 4 is just below a 50/50 chance in terms of success rate against an equally good opponent. And the fact that we were inside the 10 only gave us greater reason to go for it. Seattle was going to be backed up if we turned it over on downs. There was still a good amount of time left. The reason we lost is because the defense couldn't get a stop when it mattered. And that is why I maintain that any strategy (like kicking the FG there) that hinged on the defense stopping the Seahawks was bound to fail.

 

[Coliseum Ram]

Yes, the defense did blow it before half too. That's why we went out and acquired two legit starters at CB. I don't have the exact numbers regarding the analytics, but my understanding is that a 4th and 4 is just below a 50/50 chance in terms of success rate against an equally good opponent. And the fact that we were inside the 10 only gave us greater reason to go for it. Seattle was going to be backed up if we turned it over on downs. There was still a good amount of time left. The reason we lost is because the defense couldn't get a stop when it mattered. And that is why I maintain that any strategy (like kicking the FG there) that hinged on the defense stopping the Seahawks was bound to fail.

Which is why I also contend, playing clock, and conservative before the Half was more paramount to us getting a win. Not getting into a back and forth shootout with our crap Secondary against a Top 3 in League WR, and hot-as-hell, DUE against us Quarterback.

 

[kurtfaulk]

This is what really stood out to me in the game.
Why would anyone call a TO there?

I don't know.

Ask @Coliseum Ram

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[Coliseum Ram]

I don't know.

Ask @Coliseum Ram

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Seattle wouldnt, and shouldn't.

Rams should have CONTINUED running the ball, after gaining FIVE yards on 1st Down, to see if Seattle would THEN call a Timeout on 3rd and 2. If Rams pick up 1st down running THEN THEY can call time out.

Anyways, as I said as it happened, and McVay said soon after, he screwed up. Its on the record.

Ive moved on. Super Bowl level team incoming for Super Bowl at SoFi. These new Corners we got from KC never would have allowed that atrocity before, and after Half.

 

[dang]

Seattle wouldnt, and shouldn't.

Rams should have CONTINUED running the ball, after gaining FIVE yards on 1st Down, to see if Seattle would THEN call a Timeout on 3rd and 2. If Rams pick up 1st down running THEN THEY can call time out.

Anyways, as I said as it happened, and McVay said soon after, he screwed up. Its on the record.

Ive moved on. Super Bowl level team incoming for Super Bowl at SoFi. These new Corners we got from KC never would have allowed that atrocity before, and after Half.

McDuffie and Watson are great additions but guess what? I got a fever! And the only prescription.. is more defense!!

 

[Coliseum Ram]

McDuffie and Watson are great additions but guess what? I got a fever! And the only prescription.. is more defense!!

Keep feeding the beast baby, trade up for Styles......