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Real nice take there on Stafford going forward (starts after the Brady excuse chain at 3:30). Him being 33. Pairing with McVay and the wins that should be ahead. I just hope they find a way to structure his new contract to ensure they can keep good teams around him.

I have a feeling Matt is in the win and legacy mode right now, just based on him saying he didn't need his contract redone when he came over. Which might give the Rams an advantage, got my fingers crossed there at least.
 

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First off get the saying right. It's I couldn't care less. Second, if you couldn't care less then why comment at all. Don't belittle his accomplishments with Detroit, because they are actually more impressive due to the bullshit org. You bring up having one of the greatest receivers like he didn't have anything to do with it. All you have to do is look at Kupp. Never in the pro bowl to being the best in the league. All due to the QB. Kupp has been doing his thing from the beginning, but now, at of the blue, he is the best. Only one thing has changed. QB!!
I remember the Bulger Warner debates. Stafford gets to pad his stats more this season.I could care less if The Rams don’t win.BTW don’t discredit another season of having the same O’Line & a healthy Pro Bowl Alt in Brian Allen either.Add to that a New OLine coach. So there has been somethings that changed & some the same.
 

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Hold up there, pard.

Wasn’t a damn thing easy about playing in Detroit for the Lions.

he didn't say it was easy.

he said stafford got a lot of easy yards against prevent defenses as the lions were getting blown out in so many games. there's a reason that people began referring to him as stat padford. it's not his fault the lions were terrible and he had to keep throwing against prevent defenses. it just is what it is.

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I remember the Bulger Warner debates. Stafford gets to pad his stats more this season.I could care less if The Rams don’t win.BTW don’t discredit another season of having the same O’Line & a healthy Pro Bowl Alt in Brian Allen either.Add to that a New OLine coach. So there has been somethings that changed & some the
What does Bulger/Warner debate have to do with anything? We are not debating Goff and Stafford. And there isn't any debate that the 2 best receiving seasons in the history of the NFL happened with Stafford at QB. And this season it is translating to wins, because he is with a better team.
 
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What does Bulger/Warner debate have to do with anything? We are not debating Goff and Stafford. And there isn't any debate that the 2 best receiving seasons in the history of the NFL happened with Stafford at QB. And this season it is translating to wins, because he is with a better team.
Warner Bulger is just more nonsense
 

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It's a shitty thing to achieve for a QB in a lot of ways IMO. Means he's had a lot of teams that can't run the ball for shit. :laugh4:
Stafford took 182 games
Brees did it in 183 games
Peyton did it in 191 games.
Rodgers did it in 192 games.
Marino did it in 193 games.
Roethlisberger did it in 197 games....and he always had a good run game
Brady did it in 198 games.

Did all those guys play on teams that couldn't run the ball?

I think what it means first and foremost is "you're a talented quarterback". The circumstances surrounding it are all different for each QB. But the common thread is talent.
 
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Stafford took 182 games
Brees did it in 183 games
Peyton did it in 191 games.
Rodgers did it in 192 games.
Marino did it in 193 games.
Roethlisberger did it in 197 games....and he always had a good run game
Brady did it in 198 games.

Did all those guys play on teams that couldn't run the ball?

I think what it means first and foremost is "you're a talented quarterback". The circumstances surrounding it are all different for each QB. But the common thread is talent.
I said in a lot of ways. Did not say he was not a talented QB. I am confident everyone here in fact is aware that he is a talented QB.
 

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I said in a lot of ways. Did not say he was not a talented QB. I am confident everyone here in fact is aware that he is a talented QB.
You said "it's a shitty thing for QBs to achieve, in a lot of ways"?
Really? When there are only 12 of those guys in history? What are just a few of those "lotta ways"?
The difference between Stafford and Brady is roughly 20 yards per game.

Stafford 182
Brees 183
Ryan 186
Peyton 191
Rodgers 192
Marino 193
Rivers 196
Roethlisberger 197
Brady 198

Eli 209
Favre 211
Elway 229

I can think of 1 thing. Shitty team. Only Stafford and Rivers are on that list and haven't been to a Superbowl.
 

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Ironically he only has 2 or 3 30+ TD seasons.
Crazy, dude is so good.
He will end the season having one of the best Ram's seasons by a QB. He gets some criticism around here, "par for the course" for a QB but wow what a season and I can't imagine many doing better.
 

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Stafford took 182 games
Brees did it in 183 games
Peyton did it in 191 games.
Rodgers did it in 192 games.
Marino did it in 193 games.
Roethlisberger did it in 197 games....and he always had a good run game
Brady did it in 198 games.

Did all those guys play on teams that couldn't run the ball?

I think what it means first and foremost is "you're a talented quarterback". The circumstances surrounding it are all different for each QB. But the common thread is talent.
Some folks think he did it against prevent defenses, 24-7
 

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You said "it's a shitty thing for QBs to achieve, in a lot of ways"?
Really? When there are only 12 of those guys in history? What are just a few of those "lotta ways"?
The difference between Stafford and Brady is roughly 20 yards per game.

Stafford 182
Brees 183
Ryan 186
Peyton 191
Rodgers 192
Marino 193
Rivers 196
Roethlisberger 197
Brady 198

Eli 209
Favre 211
Elway 229

I can think of 1 thing. Shitty team. Only Stafford and Rivers are on that list and haven't been to a Superbowl.
Well not interested in a back and forth where we talk past one another so let's just disagree on whatever it is you're looking to disagree about.
 

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Well not interested in a back and forth where we talk past one another so let's just disagree on whatever it is you're looking to disagree about.
LOl. No back and forth needed. You made a statement and I simply asked you to back it up.

You said "a lot of ways" and cited one. Just curious how many "bad" ways there can be when a guy in that group is one of 12.

Of course if you have no answer, just say so. Don't accuse me of "looking for a disagreement".

That would be the classy way to handle it.
 

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He had a few rough games. Most QBs do. But I'm so thankful he's our QB. I'd take him over Goff 100/100 times. And I can't wait to see what he does with another year under his belt learning the offense.

He's so well respecting among NFL players and mentioned as great by them. After all, players would know.
 

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LOl. No back and forth needed. You made a statement and I simply asked you to back it up.

You said "a lot of ways" and cited one. Just curious how many "bad" ways there can be when a guy in that group is one of 12.

Of course if you have no answer, just say so. Don't accuse me of "looking for a disagreement".

That would be the classy way to handle it.
I was simply trying to draw a parallel between the achievement and him not having good run games behind him and playing on bad teams. If you want to get your sperg on here have at it, you'll just have to do it yourself man.
 

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He had a few rough games. Most QBs do. But I'm so thankful he's our QB. I'd take him over Goff 100/100 times. And I can't wait to see what he does with another year under his belt learning the offense.

He's so well respecting among NFL players and mentioned as great by them. After all, players would know.
I knew he was good. I remember seeing him with Georgia and every Thanksgiving with the Lions. But he's impressed me even more now that he's in a quality offense. To be one of 12 guys who've amassed 50,000 passing yards is special. He's also just one of 13 to throw 300 TD passes too (one of 14 when Wilson throws his next TD). And he's just 33. We should enjoy his talents for a few more years. Gonna be fun.
 

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What does Bulger/Warner debate have to do with anything? We are not debating Goff and Stafford. And there isn't any debate that the 2 best receiving seasons in the history of the NFL happened with Stafford at QB. And this season it is translating to wins, because he is with a better team.

Well I don’t think Stafford is going to have The Best record under Sean Mcvay this year.

You can enjoy Stafford’s stats.I’m not taking them away from him.. I do know & have watch a lot of QB’s pad there stats over the history of careers in Lossing efforts especially.

I can also say if a QB has never had a running game it could be always passing because your playing from behind.
 

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he didn't say it was easy.

he said stafford got a lot of easy yards against prevent defenses as the lions were getting blown out in so many games. there's a reason that people began referring to him as stat padford. it's not his fault the lions were terrible and he had to keep throwing against prevent defenses. it just is what it is.

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This argument is terrible because we've seen this year on a new team, a winning team who is typically ahead, that Stafford still will throw for a ton of yards and TDs. If he had a better team around him in Detroit, he would've thrown for MORE yards. He put up elite production in spite of a terrible situation.

His LA Rams years will put to rest any of these flawed perspectives. Stafford is an elite thrower of the football, there's no denying it. Always has been and always will be unless injuries derail his career. Whether or not he can be clutch in the playoffs and win the big game is a valid discussion, but not whether or not any of his 50K yards were hollow or not earned the hard way. Because he earned them all right. He played on bad teams with bad coaching for arguably the worst franchise in professional sports, and still outperformed every QB whos ever played.
 

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One problem Matthew is actively overcoming is learning to utilize all of the talent around him. Dan "the Man" Marino never really had a solid running attack in his NFL career. As a Super QB he could often pass his team into the playoffs. However, once the 'Phins arrived in postseason, Dan had to try to navigate his way to Super Bowl Gold against the best teams - who typically had the very best defenses. Those defenses all keyed on stopping the Super QB, Consequently, Dan never won it all because he lacked that crucial balance that a solid running attack would have provided. In fact, some pundits have opined that Dan the Man played so long without a good running game that he lost all confidence in it and always felt he had to win the big games all by himself.

Another case in point is another much ballyhooed QB - a guy named John Elway. This was another guy with a Big Arm who was trusted to win it all with his passing talent. However, like Dan, John could never get over the Super Bowl winning hump ... until he was aided by a special RB talent named Terrell Davis. With a super running attack to balance his great passing talent, those playoff opponents with their great defenses had problems trying to key on both the aerial and ground attacks of John's Broncoes. With Terrell added to the mix, John was finally able to hoist the Lombardi trophy late in his career.

Ironically, Matthew came to a team with a RB talent who reminds me very much of primetime Terrell Davis than anyone else I have ever seen. Like Terrell, Cam Akers shows great balance while running, uses his blockers extremely well, and includes Terrell signature feature: the ability to advance the rock another 3-5 yards after solid defensive contact. Cam just has the knack of often spinning or lunging forward for another 3-5 yards after getting solidly hit.

Matthew has yet to play with Cam in a game that actually counts. While Sony and Hendo add some punch to the LA running attack, a healthy Cam, who has gotten used to being hit again, carries that running attack to the near elite level. Having talent around you isn't enough by itself. A QB has to learn to trust the talent he has around him to employ it to maximum effectiveness. That three game losing skid the Horns had recently illustrated to a certain extent what can happen when Matthew reverts back to his Detroit mentality where winning depended all on his Big Arm, very reminiscent of Dan the Man or John Elway before Terrell Davis. Granted, Sean does call the plays, but Matthew has far more leeway and trust from Sean than Jerad ever had as far as changing the calls. When Cam returns to the huddle, Matthew has to learn to trust Cam as a high end playmaker, just as he is actively learning to trust OBJ. With Cooper, OBJ, a rapidly improving Van, and now Cam returning to spice up the Sony & Hendo backfield, Matthew needs to become a quick study in rapidly learning to utilize all these chess pieces effectively with post season looming ahead. If the Horns can work out a way to retain OBJ and Bobby Trees next season, can you imagine the offensive quality we can have next season - even if we achieve Super Bowl Gold this year?
 
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This argument is terrible because we've seen this year on a new team, a winning team who is typically ahead, that Stafford still will throw for a ton of yards and TDs. If he had a better team around him in Detroit, he would've thrown for MORE yards. He put up elite production in spite of a terrible situation.

His LA Rams years will put to rest any of these flawed perspectives. Stafford is an elite thrower of the football, there's no denying it. Always has been and always will be unless injuries derail his career. Whether or not he can be clutch in the playoffs and win the big game is a valid discussion, but not whether or not any of his 50K yards were hollow or not earned the hard way. Because he earned them all right. He played on bad teams with bad coaching for arguably the worst franchise in professional sports, and still outperformed every QB whos ever played.

it's not an argument, it's a fact.

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Padding stats? No running game? WTF does that really matter when we're talking about 50,000 yards? There only 12....a dozen.....guys in the history of the NFL with 50,000 yards passing. What, Stafford was the only guy in NFL history to play on a shitty team with no run game? Sure there's some "padding" that occurs.....with ALL of them. Rodgers best year for yardage AND fewest interceptions in the last 10 was when Green Bay went 6-9-1. Brees threw for 5,000 yards 5 times but only two of them came when the Saints had a winning season. So what? You gotta be pretty freaking good to do that.

Stafford's best year for yardage (5,038) and TDs (41) was a 10-6 year for Detroit!! The guy is really freaking talented and this year, he's got a pretty good team around him. Not exactly a top 10 run game. Not exactly a dominating defense. But it's a good team. And he's shining like a star. He's enjoying the highest TD percentage of his career, by far. He's enjoying an 8.3 yards per attempt percentage, 2nd highest behind a half season performance of 8.6 in 2019. IMHO, any minimization of anything the guy has done in his career, or this year, is ridiculous.

As Martz might say, yebbit, yebbit, yebbit!!