I have nothing against Mannion.He may turn out to be a good QB one day.
And there's nothing wrong with wanting to get some opinions on the guy,
but Mannion's release has never been quick.In fact it's quite the opposite.
His release was one of the problem areas that he needed to address.
Mannion actually has a pretty quick snap to his release when he needs it. He loads up on long throws like many QBs. I think Goff shows the ability to have a quick release on longer throws but it is more of a mantra than reality that Mannion has a slow release. His footwork is good in the pocket and had probably a slight majority of his college snaps taken under center. He is very easy to catch when chased - no doubt. But he has showed a good judgement on when to roll out.
I hope that Mannion keeps improving, so that he becomes a legitimate trade bait option in a year or two.
This is what I think will happen. I watched almost every game Mannion played at OSU as my son was going to school there and we live about 45 minutes away. Mannion had an absolutely atrocious O-line and virtually no offensive talent during his senior year. That offense was truly cringe-worthy.
I think Mannion will be a starter at some point. I think Goff has better arm talent and footwork when being forced to move. Goff is our starter. But quite possibly, Mannion gets us a pretty good trade either next year or possibly even this year as injuries happen.
From the tiny amount of time he's been out on the field in the NFL... what my eyes tell me is he's a little too tall. His size may help him see over the linemen, but it also takes away from his athleticism. Guys who are that tall tend to be lumbering and slower in just about everything they do.
This was his biggest issue IMO. When he was chased, it was like catching a tree. He actually had pretty good footwork inside the pocket. Force him to move in tight spaces... he has a tough time with that.
There is no way a team should go into a season with a backup like Mannion. Little experience and less actual skills. If Goff doesn't pan out we're screwed.
I watched a bunch of his 2013 tape...He had a couple of good receivers...one just left the Steelers, Wheaton or something like that...I also remember a guy named Paz. He did look like a NFL backup but he had a alarming amount of short throws, and terrible feet. Under pressure in 2014 he was awful. I'd be surprised if he left the Rams he'd get picked up. I wanted to see him for 2 seasons, if he couldn't get in with the QB play we've displayed, he must be terrible.
Because it is rare for teams go into a season with an inexperienced back-up. I forgot how much experience Favre's back-up had or Mannings, or Brady's.
I watched virtually every game Mannion played. Aside from having Wheaton for 2 seasons and Cooks for three, name the NFL caliber offensive players he had around him. As it was, Riles asked Mannion to pal around with Cooks as Cooks was being a real punk his freshman year. Cooks turned it around the following season.
Mannion doesn't have the greatest talent at QB but he has pretty good talent and is a very good team guy. We could certainly have a worse back-up and most teams do.
No...he didn't. In 2013 Mannion looked like he could possibly be an NFL backup....in 2014, he looked like his last year of college would be his last year of football. Cook is NOTHING like Tavon...only similarity is speed. I don't know what he averaged...on throws, attempts, completions...I just know he always threw a bunch of short passes...and his feet, which I pay attention too for my own reasons, are slow as molasses...
No...he didn't look "like" Goff, he looked worse than Goff....which is pretty hard to do.
I agree with one thing. Cooks was nothing like Tavon. He was a route runner. How do you think he became a good route runner? According to Coach Riley - that was in big part due to his relationship with Mannion. In 2014, Mannion had virtually nothing for offensive talent on the team. His only starting level lineman besides a true freshman was injured most of the season.
Did Mannion throw a lot of short passes in 2014? Probably. No running game or O-line can do that to you. Still, he throws a very nice long ball and was known as somewhat of a gun slinger.
We just see things differently because Mannion spent all his time in the pocket dropping back to pass not taking shotgun snaps, so in regards to his footwork inside the pocket I think it's actually very good. He slides he step up he does it all inside the pocket now when he is forced outside the pocket that's a complete different story but his feet inside the pocket he gets it done..
We brought up college stats cause you said he only throws short I was pointing out that it was simply not true. Take another look at Mannion in the preseason and tell me he don't move good inside the pocket..
He took a fair number of shotgun snaps but no where near the number as most college QBs these days including Goff. He does have good footwork inside the pocket. What escapes a lot of people is that he not only has a very high release point on most passes but also sees well through the O-line, not just over it. He's tall but so are O-linemen. He has some timing issues for sure but almost never has the ball batted down at the line. He was asked to be a slinger in lieu of having a running game. That has a lot to do with the number of INTs
It makes sense to see him look comfortable in a Fisher offense, he was a perfect fit.. Goff supposedly is a perfect fit for the McVay offense, so we'll see how Mannion looks in it as well.
Could be. Let's hope Goff is the perfect fit..... or Mannion. I don't really care as long as one of them is.
Mannion has some talent for sure, but there is a reason Goff was drafted where he was and likewise Sean where her was... My guess is after this season we'll be talking about a great 10 year career and never looking back.
Mannion will probably end up on another team sometime during that span.
I agree with this. Mannion has abilities. I think Goff has more talent. I still think Mannion becomes a starting QB - just not here.
