Mad Mike on the Holt HOF snub

[David Ray]

Listening to it now, so can't provide a time stamp to pinpoint the subject.

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[Tano]

Listening to it now, so can't provide a time stamp to pinpoint the subject.

MSN

Fuckin HOF committee can go screw themselves.

 

[Corbin]

Listening to it now, so can't provide a time stamp to pinpoint the subject.

MSN

Wow, say what you will about Mike, he’s always amazing to listen to.

Could talk with him for hours without being bored.

 

[tempests]

Bernie Miklasz, who was on the HOF committee, has been saying that for years. That some voters think for a team that won only one Super Bowl, they have enough representation in the Hall already.

If that's true, then blowing it against the Patriots in XXXVI is still costing them today.

Holt is a finalist every year, and from what I've heard when it comes to the final cut from 15 to 5, he's only just missing out. He'll break through eventually.

 

[David Ray]

If that's true, then blowing it against the Patriots in XXXVI is still costing them today.

Or having Roger Goodell instructing the game officials to let the Fraudulents to be permitted to ignore the rulebook with no consequences is costing Tory a quarter century later. But, heh, it's all good. Goodell, as the NFL COO at the time, had oversight of the referees and Happy Ending Kraft was the chief backer to make ol' Roger the commish when Tagliabue stepped aside.
Quid Pro Quo.

 

[fearsomefour]

Bernie Miklasz, who was on the HOF committee, has been saying that for years. That some voters think for a team that won only one Super Bowl, they have enough representation in the Hall already.

If that's true, then blowing it against the Patriots in XXXVI is still costing them today.

Holt is a finalist every year, and from what I've heard when it comes to the final cut from 15 to 5, he's only just missing out. He'll break through eventually.

Its about the player, not the team they were on.
Otherwise, you would have zero players in who never won a ring.
People have an unending ability to complicate very simple things.

 

[tempests]

Its about the player, not the team they were on.

Except these players are all compared against each other. Who should get in vs who shouldn't. At that point how much help they had, the context of where they played or how much they contributed to team success becomes a debate.

 

[Merlin]

The players on that offense created volume for all of them to produce. It is horse shit that he's still not in.

 

[Ramhusker]

I just want to know who Roman Gabriel pissed off?

 

[dang]

Until Holt is elected in there will be a legitimate debate. I believe the key criteria for WRs being total stats and relevance during their tenure. And it doesn’t hurt to have playoff/Super Bowl success. Using that criteria, the recent selectio of Sterling Sharpe is curious:
Holt: 1 All Pro/7 Pro Bowl/1 Super Bowl
920 Rec/13382 Yds/72 TDs/11 Yrs
Annual Avg: 84 Rec/1216 Yds/7 TDs
Sharpe: 3 All Pro/5 Pro Bowl/0 S Bowl
505 Rec/8134 Yds/65 TDs/7 Yrs
Annual Avg: 85 Rec/1162 Yds/9 TDs

 

[Memento]

Holt and S-Jax should both be in. It’s criminal that Holt isn’t already in, and it’s criminal that guys like Fred Taylor and Marshawn Lynch have had more consideration than S-Jax.

 

[dieterbrock]

Bernie Miklasz, who was on the HOF committee, has been saying that for years. That some voters think for a team that won only one Super Bowl, they have enough representation in the Hall already.

How many do they have? I mean the Colts have 5 from a team with only 1 SB

 

[Memento]

How many do they have? I mean the Colts have 5 from a team with only 1 SB

Warner, Faulk, Pace, Bruce, Aeneas Williams (2001). For me, I think Holt, S-Jax, and yes, even Reggie Wayne from that Colts team should've been in a long, long time ago.

 

[fearsomefour]

Except these players are all compared against each other. Who should get in vs who shouldn't. At that point how much help they had, the context of where they played or how much they contributed to team success becomes a debate.

Yeah....that is one way to do it and another is just pure stats.
A mix of the two is probably where we are now.
As far as Holt....it took Tim Brown a long time to get in as well, despite pretty clearly being (should have been) a first ballot HOF guy.
Holt will get there.

 

[AZRams]

That Joey Harrington story...wow.

 

[dieterbrock]

In the latter part of his career, Holt was still catching over 60% of the passes thrown his way by QB's who were only in the high 50's completion %
Sure he played with the GSOT, but continued that level long after the crash and burn
I still think its a bigger crime that Ellard isnt in, but Holt does deserve it too

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Its about the player, not the team they were on.
Otherwise, you would have zero players in who never won a ring.
People have an unending ability to complicate very simple things.

Playing for a good team or bad team is definitely a factor. Look at what is always said about Stafford. He couldn’t elevate Detroit. Detroit was one of the worst run franchises in the NFL during Stafford’s tenure there.

Then you get a guy like Michael Irvin who played in three super bowls with the Cowboys but whose stats are worse than Holts across the board.

It’s supposed to be about the individual players but the team they played on definitely has a bearing.

 

[kurtfaulk]

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I've always said the lack of TDs has hurt Holt's chances but Irvin has even less TDs than Holt.

But he was a look at me big mouth. The Nimrods who vote seem to like that character trait.

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[fanotodd]

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I've always said the lack of TDs has hurt Holt's chances but Irvin has even less TDs than Holt.

But he was a look at me big mouth. The Nimrods who vote seem to like that character trait.

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Damn straight. All you have to do is look at terrell owens vs Isaac Bruce.

Similar stats to the naked eye. What they don’t show are the drops. When a great receiver like Bruce drops a pass, you hear, “that’s something you don’t see very often” but when owens would drop yet another pass over the middle, it was just another example of his issue of catching passes in traffic—especially over the middle. He had alligator arms.

Bruce led an electric WR corps to a title and two SB appearances. Holt was there from the beginning to the end. We’re talking about an offense that changed football forever.

You’re telling me owens is a first ballot HOF but Bruce had to wait?! Holt is STILL circling?

BULLSHIT!