Agree....kid could be worth it. Wouldn't be opposed to moving up in the second to get him. Though I'm hoping well have an earlier 2nd rounder from trading down from 2 overall
Lamarcus Joyner
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Agree....kid could be worth it. Wouldn't be opposed to moving up in the second to get him. Though I'm hoping well have an earlier 2nd rounder from trading down from 2 overall
he's way to small in my opinion... did i just see he's 5"8?... might lay hits like that in college.. not in the NFL.. pass
Don't underestimate the little guys if they know the position to take a player down. He's not going to lay the wood in the NFL but he could cause havoc in the backfield and be a playmaker. The size is obviously a concern but playmakers make plays. Not going to say go out of our way to get him but he could be a player to consider but not sure about him actually going as high as the talking heads suggest.
After watching the video I do see where you are coming from. He definately needs to work on his technique because it seems like he likes to tackle high. As you said, that is not going to fly in the NFL for a guy of his size.
On the other hand..
He seems to be a willing tackler not looking to shy away from contact.
Tough call but in most cases I will take heart over intangibles.
Short but not small. He weighs nearly 200 pounds. The kid just makes plays. Would he concern me in the red zone? Oh yeah, not a defender of the jump ball.
This 5'8" DB seemed capable of laying the lumber in the NFL:
By the way, he laid out Michael Floyd, Chris Givens, Tyler Eifert, etc. while in college. They all play in the NFL. I'm not concerned about his ability to hit or tackle in the NFL. Jack Tatum, very arguably the hardest hitter of all time, was 5'10". The thing about those little guys is that they can get underneath you and if they're strong and fearless, they'll hit hard.
I remember reading about Joyner as a freshman knocking a 6'3" 220+ pound FSU WR out for the season in practice because he was trying to impress the coaches and KO'd the kid.
He's perfect to play in the nick, but a heck of a lot less money than our last nick.
Only partially. Plus TEs aren't the only big guys who'd push him around and beat himlike a drum on jump balls.
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Nice analysis @jrry32 ! If I did a mock I'd put him with us at #44. I watched him against Auburn in the BCS. Under sized whoop de fuckin do. We need a rangy kid like this and one of his best attributes are tackling/awareness. Oh yea speed helps too.
Yea, I have a hard time seeing many WRs push Joyner around. Don't judge a book by its cover, my friend.
As far as jump balls are concerned, throw jump balls in Joyner's general direction at your own risk:
By the way, the guy he ko'd in that video was a 225 pound HB.
Skip to 1:57, you see his range as he comes flying in from the hash mark to blow up Michael Floyd on the sideline and it took Floyd awhile to get up.
Blitzes the QB forcing him to dump it off and then makes the TD saving tackle 60+ yards down the field.
LaMarcus Joyner is an amazing football player. That's what I want on my team. You can keep the 6'2" athletes...I want great football players. Don't care what package they're in.
This 5'8" DB seemed capable of laying the lumber in the NFL:
By the way, he laid out Michael Floyd, Chris Givens, Tyler Eifert, etc. while in college. They all play in the NFL. I'm not concerned about his ability to hit or tackle in the NFL. Jack Tatum, very arguably the hardest hitter of all time, was 5'10". The thing about those little guys is that they can get underneath you and if they're strong and fearless, they'll hit hard.
I remember reading about Joyner as a freshman knocking a 6'3" 220+ pound FSU WR out for the season in practice because he was trying to impress the coaches and KO'd the kid.
Found the article:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...yner-willie-haulstead-20130812,0,5149320.post
Made a mistake, though. The WR was 6'2" 215 pound Willie Haulstead.
I'd have been impressed and would have immediately changed my viewpoint about him had the guy been 225 lbs. At only 215 lbs we're talking about shrimps. Sorry jrry but you need to go back to the drawing board and try again. Only 3 videos? Pitiful.
You're concentrating on his playing skills and I'm concentrating on his survivability and his capabilities against the bigger PROFESSIONALS. No amount of visual evidence of his college career, no matter how skillfully done
, would convince me. Common sense trumps highlight reels. I said the same thing about RGII and how's that working out?I bet you could make a presentation similar to this one but featuring Tyrann Mathieu. How's that working out?
As for taking my chances with jump balls, I like the odds.
Bottom line for me hasn't changed jrry. No matter how many skills he has his physical stature will always be a problem.
Fantastic effort though. Impressive.
I'd have been impressed and would have immediately changed my viewpoint about him had the guy been 225 lbs. At only 215 lbs we're talking about shrimps. Sorry jrry but you need to go back to the drawing board and try again. Only 3 videos? Pitiful.
You're concentrating on his playing skills and I'm concentrating on his survivability and his capabilities against the bigger PROFESSIONALS. No amount of visual evidence of his college career, no matter how skillfully done
I bet you could make a presentation similar to this one but featuring Tyrann Mathieu. How's that working out?
Quite well for both of those guys, actually. Not sure why you'd use them as examples?
As far as 215 pounds vs. 225 pounds, I think the joke is going over my head here. But the guy is definitely listed at 225 pounds:
http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=204969726&
Yea, I have a hard time seeing many WRs push Joyner around. Don't judge a book by its cover, my friend.
As far as jump balls are concerned, throw jump balls in Joyner's general direction at your own risk:
By the way, the guy he ko'd in that video was a 225 pound HB.
Skip to 1:57, you see his range as he comes flying in from the hash mark to blow up Michael Floyd on the sideline and it took Floyd awhile to get up.
Blitzes the QB forcing him to dump it off and then makes the TD saving tackle 60+ yards down the field.
LaMarcus Joyner is an amazing football player. That's what I want on my team. You can keep the 6'2" athletes...I want great football players. Don't care what package they're in.
No doubt he's a hitter, and I didn't watch all of the clips, but he was flagged for PF on two of those plays and should have been flagged a 3rd time for the hit on Stills. He's going to have to clean that up wherever he plays.