Jrry32 New Look Mock Draft

[OC--LeftCoast]

But I think Hundley stinks.

Just curious on what you're basing that off of?

I could live with this draft, not sure about the Grayson pick tho.

 

[Boston Ram]

Just curious on what you're basing that off of?

It's just my opinion that based on what I have seen. He has some skills but i don't think he is ever going to be a legit starter in the NFL

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

It's just my opinion that based on what I have seen. He has some skills but i don't think he is ever going to be a legit starter in the NFL

I've pretty much seen his entire college career, that being said all I can really say is he could be very good or he could be the next Tony Banks. Really depends on where he lands I suppose. Not sure (with the exception of the alleged rapist) that I see a "sure thing" QB in this draft.

I would however draft Hundley over Grayson on the basis of intangibles alone, not to mention higher upside (oops I think I just did)

 

[Boston Ram]

I've pretty much seen his entire college career, that being said all I can really say is he could be very good or he could be the next Tony Banks. Really depends on where he lands I suppose. Not sure (with the exception of the alleged rapist) that I see a "sure thing" QB in this draft.

I would however draft Hundley over Grayson on the basis of intangibles alone, not to mention higher upside (oops I think I just did)

His accuracy is so all over the place IMO. That is my biggest gripe with him and it never seemed to improve. I'm mixed on his intangibles. You probably have seen more on him and have a better handle on that than I do though.

Do you really want 3 more years of Tony Banks? Lol. He was a backup talent starting for a bad team. Original point is this class looks like a bunch of backups.

 

[8to12]

I'm sold....... where do I sign ?

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

Lol! Tony Banks...yeah on second thought

This guy was running for his life his entire career (THE most sacked QB in Div1 by a ton two yrs running) But yeah, decision making and consistent accuracy needs improvement.

And tho I would not classify him as a running QB, I thought he was tough as nails and seemed to have a knack of converting on 3rd down using any means at his disposal, granted it was in college, there's just something about him that I see (a really really hates to lose kind of guy) that could translate well at the next level. It's kind of hard to see something like that on certain selected highlight film. (my loose interpretation of intangibles)

 

[BonifayRam]

Like the draft, but it's a head scratchier that their first pick is Cam Erving and he does not start? Other than that I like draft and concur with you @jrry32 DeAndre Smelter that would be huge value in the 4th.

And BTW not that it means much, but Jim Thomas and company will kill the regime for sitting their first round pick, but they are going to kill them regardless.

I just really think that Bou would be 100% all in for Cam Erving den. The fact that he just demands a versatile OL period. Currently den can you name me Bou's back up OLT? Right now its got to be Brandon Washington & he is 6-2 and does not look anything like an OL pure fire-hydrant OLG IMO. He is all Bou has....Erving could be that critical all important OLT reserve.

In addition our main OLG was Saffold. How may times have we heard that Bou wants Saffold back on that right side?? Erving could be a major contender to start at some time during this 2015 season @ OLG. If the Rams select Erving (who is a left side Ol'er)& Tomlinson(who is a right side Ol'er) The Rams have youth & talent finally inserted into the OG posts. By years end both could be starting after they bench Barksdale & replace him with Saffold. Erving at some time with some yrs experience would end up @ starting center.

The late 2015 season OL could might look like the below in jrry32 mock.

ORT- Rodger Saffold/Joe Barksdale/{R}Chase Green/Steven Baker
ORG-{R}Laken Tomlinson/Garrett Reynolds/Travis Bond
OC- Tim Barnes/Barrett Jones/Demetrius Rhaney
OLG- *{R}Cam Erving/Brandon Washington
OLG- Greg Robinson/ *{R}Cam Erving

* denotes that this Ol'er is inserted multiple times.

 

[Memphis Ram]

This mock is definitely a different take than many of my recent ones. As usual, this is what I would do if I were making the decisions rather than me trying to guess what the Rams will do.
Re-sign
Joe Barksdale RT

Trades
St. Louis trades 1st round #10
Baltimore trades 1st round #26, 2nd round #26, and 4th round #23

The top 10 goes in the direction we don't want it to go which leaves us sitting at #10 with Mariota, Winston, Cooper, and White all off the board. The Rams are willing to give the Ravens a discount in their trade up because there isn't an ideal fit for them at #10. The Ravens move up in the draft for DeVante Parker who they are having in for a visit and covet. They have three fourths and three fifths so they can afford to give up a couple of picks to move up.

NFL Draft
Round 1 Pick #26 - Cameron Erving C/OG/OT Florida State

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-CJ0URg4is

Analysis: Erving is a versatile OL with ideal size for our scheme. As a rookie, he'll compete for one of the starting spots on the interior but if he's not ready, he provides valuable depth as a player who can play any of the 5 spots on the OL. Erving showed tremendous talent and potential at Center once he was moved inside in 2014. He possesses the talent to be one of the league's best Center especially in a PBS like ours as he's a very talented run blocker. Erving still needs development and may need some time mentally to catch up to a NFL scheme but he should be an outstanding Center for this team sooner or later.

Round 2 Pick #9 - Garrett Grayson QB Colorado State

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSZz0Sg8qMs

Analysis: Here's a big surprise for everyone. I went back and watched more film on Grayson and definitely have changed my mind on how I feel about him. He's my #3 QB in the draft and I feel he has the potential to be a starter at the next level. His arm strength isn't elite but it's definitely adequate. The three things that really sold me on him were his pocket presence, his consistent ball placement, and his anticipation on NFL type throws. He dealt with a lot of pressure in college and handled it well. He can feel pressure and does a nice job of sliding in the pocket to create space while keeping his eyes down-field and remaining poised. His ball placement and decision making were both very consistent. He'll take some chances but he knows when he needs to throw it away. The thing that stood out to me was seeing him begin his throwing motion on out routes before his WR had even began to breakdown and cut. That's NFL level anticipation and timing. The two biggest issues I saw with Grayson are that he needs to be more deceptive with his eyes as he'll stare down targets at times and he needs to do a better job of lofting the ball over the LOS when he doesn't have a lane as he gets a lot of passes deflected at the LOS. Grayson's physical tools aren't outstanding as his height(6'2.5"), arm strength, and mobility are fairly average but he's a polished passer coming from a pro style offense that appears to me to have the accuracy, instincts, decision making, and mental acuity to be an effective starter at the NFL level.

Round 2 Pick #26 - Laken Tomlinson OG Duke

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48ovMbQnY7I

Analysis: Some might feel that Tomlinson won't last this long and there's a possibility of that but guys like him tend to drop into this range in the draft (see: Gabe Jackson and Larry Warford). Tomlinson needs to keep his weight under control but he should be a solid to good OG at the NFL level. I don't think he's Warford good. Tomlinson is a better run blocker at this stage than a pass protector. He can struggle at times in pass pro against ultra quick interior rushers with good hand use but Tomlinson does show quick feet (he's a dancing bear), active hands, and a strong anchor. He's much more of a puncher than a grabber and I'm hopeful that Boudreau can teach him to lock on better rather than try to duke it out with his man (no pun intended). As a run blocker, Tomlinson doesn't dominate in the way I think he should but he's steady and reliable. He'll be a good fit in our PBS although he's not a guy that will be pulling too often.

Round 3 Pick #8 - Paul Dawson LB Texas Christian

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3izLFsWGpY

Analysis: There's also a possibility that Dawson does not fall this far but with all of the character concerns surrounding him at TCU, his terrible combine workout, and the appearance that he wasn't in shape for the combine...I could definitely see him falling this far on draft day. Dawson has exceptional film and is a true playmaker on defense with amazing instincts. He's not a guy that will ever run through or over blockers but he's very good at sifting through traffic and slipping off blocks to make tackles. He needs to reign in the free-lancing as I doubt Gregg Williams will stand for that but the guy is just always around the football and really looks great in coverage. While Dawson ran poorly at the combine, he plays fast and that's what matters.

Round 4 Pick #20 - DeAndre Smelter WR Georgia Tech

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjlTPD4BHQo

Analysis: Smelter is one of my favorite sleeper prospects in this draft. At 6'2" 225, he boasts a large frame and massive 11" hands. Smelter is a former baseball player that was forced to retire from the sport due to a shoulder problem. He's only played two years of college football but really stood out in 2014. Smelter still has a lot of developing to do but his physical tools are apparent when you watch him play. He's very agile for a man his size with the straight-line speed to run by corners at the next level. Smelter also has a feisty attitude and will create separation with physicality which is great to see in a young WR with his size. Smelter is recovering from a torn ACL which is the only reason why he won't be a Day 1 or Day 2 pick this year.

Round 4 Pick #23 - Josh Robinson HB Mississippi State

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f05pZn-Fi1s

Analysis: The Combine can be brutal for some players. This is a super deep and talented HB class and some guys will fall further than they should. After running a 4.7 40, Robinson will likely be one of those guys. I don't care about his 40. The guy is built at 5'8" 220, runs like a bull, and has massive hands for his size which allows him to be a very good pass catcher. Just watch him against LSU and tell me that he's a 6th round pick.

Round 6 Pick #40 - Donald Celiscar CB/S Western Michigan

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTJAbl2cbRM

Analysis: Makes me think of E.J. Gaines because he's EXTREMELY productive, experienced, and natural in coverage but is being underrated due to measurables. Great feet and hips, drives on the football extremely well, good ball-skills, willing in run support, and anticipates routes well. But he's a tad undersized and lacks great straight-line speed. Underrated player.

Round 7 Pick #31 - Chaz Green OT/OG Florida

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87Si2-lh7A4

Analysis: Green hasn't gotten much hype unlike teammate D.J. Humphries but he's deserving of it. Like Humphries, he's had durability issues at UF but Green still possesses good athleticism and the power to generate movement in the running game. At 6'5" 315, he's a good fit for our PBS and is capable of providing depth at four positions.

Starting Line-up
QB: Nick Foles
HB: Tre Mason
FB: Cory Harkey
XWR: Brian Quick
ZWR: Kenny Britt
SLWR: Tavon Austin
TE: Jared Cook
LT: Greg Robinson
LG: Rodger Saffold
C: Barrett Jones
RG: Laken Tomlinson
RT: Joe Barksdale

LDE: Chris Long
LDT: Aaron Donald
RDT: Michael Brockers
RDE: Robert Quinn
WLB: Alec Ogletree
MLB: James Laurinaitis
SPUR: Mark Barron
LCB: Trumaine Johnson
RCB: Janoris Jenkins
NCB: E.J. Gaines
FS: Rodney McLeod
SS: T.J. McDonald

K: Greg Zuerlein
P: Johnny Hekker
LS: Jake McQuaide
KR: Bennie Cunningham
PR: Tavon Austin

Anything's possible. Ozzie Newsome moved up one spot for Haloti Ngata in 2006. And in 2008 after trading down from #8 to #26, he traded up from #26 to #18 for QB Joe Flacco. Though I'd seriously question if he'd make such a move for him, given his history of success, I'd say that if he wants Parker that badly, then the Rams should probably take him.

On to the draft:
I like Cameron Erving in the first round. But, I'd hope that he could start immediately somewhere. Methinks they could play him at guard and eventually move him over to center.

Maybe Tomlinson can play LG but he strikes me as being better off at RG which is supposedly Saffold's best spot. You do what you have to do to build a line, but I'd hope the game plan would be keep Saffold at his best position.

A 2nd round Garrett Grayson selection would probably force me to miss the rest of the draft as I really don't believe he's an upgrade over Austin Davis.

Hey. Have you done a Rams mock draft where the Rams couldn't find a trade partner to provide them with extra picks? I'd be curious to see how that one would look.

 

[den-the-coach]

The late 2015 season OL could might look like the below in jrry32 mock.

ORT- Rodger Saffold/Joe Barksdale/{R}Chase Green/Steven Baker
ORG-{R}Laken Tomlinson/Garrett Reynolds/Travis Bond
OC- Tim Barnes/Barrett Jones/Demetrius Rhaney
OLG- *{R}Cam Erving/Brandon Washington
OLG- Greg Robinson/ *{R}Cam Erving

* denotes that this Ol'er is inserted multiple times.

I like this and I had nothing against Erving and in fact, IMO, could be a dominant center, however, I feel strongly if the Rams draft Erving, he would be a starter come September Morn.

 

[Memphis Ram]

I like this and I had nothing against Erving and in fact, IMO, could be a dominant center, however, I feel strongly if the Rams draft Erving, he would be a starter come September Morn.

I don't. I absolutely hate the idea of moving Saffold from RG where he was dominant.

 

[NERamsFan]

Love this mock! Personally, I'd take Hundley in place of Grayson but if they see Grayson as better fit then no complaints. Again, nice mock and very realistic!

 

[jrry32]

Anything's possible. Ozzie Newsome moved up one spot for Haloti Ngata in 2006. And in 2008 after trading down from #8 to #26, he traded up from #26 to #18 for QB Joe Flacco. Though I'd seriously question if he'd make such a move for him, given his history of success, I'd say that if he wants Parker that badly, then the Rams should probably take him.

I like DeVante but at #10, there are just too many guys I have ranked similarly.

On to the draft:
I like Cameron Erving in the first round. But, I'd hope that he could start immediately somewhere. Methinks they could play him at guard and eventually move him over to center.

That's a possibility but my thought process was that Tomlinson is the more NFL ready player especially at OG so he'd likely beat Erving out in that competition.

Maybe Tomlinson can play LG but he strikes me as being better off at RG which is supposedly Saffold's best spot. You do what you have to do to build a line, but I'd hope the game plan would be keep Saffold at his best position.

That was the gameplan. Unfortunately, there weren't any LG options better than Tomlinson at that point in the draft. Marpet is the only possibility and as I said, I don't have any film on him so I'm not going to mock him to us.

A 2nd round Garrett Grayson selection would probably force me to miss the rest of the draft as I really don't believe he's an upgrade over Austin Davis.

I think he's quite a bit better than Davis. What stood out to me while watching Grayson was how consistent his ball placement was for a college QB. His timing, anticipation, and mental processing speed need further development but you certainly saw flashes of all three. He just needs that internal clock to speed up at times.

But I do think he's got a visibly better arm than Davis and he is much more poised under pressure.

Check this game out if you haven't:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzP6F6BJf-k


I really think it will change your perception. From my count, here's what I found:
Off Target - 1 Pass
Tipped at LOS - 2 Passes
Catchable But Not Well Placed - 1 Pass
Thrown Away - 2 Passes
On Target - 30 Passes

You have 32 targeted passes in this game and 31 of them were catchable. Even more astoundingly, I counted 30 of them as on target.(meaning well placed) That means 97% of his targeted passes were catchable and 94% of them were on target.

Is Grayson that good in every game? No. Like any QB, he has some off games. But what I have found is that his ball placement is typically very consistent despite him being asked to make a lot of NFL throws and deal with muddled pockets.

But the big thing I see in him is a guy who played in a pro style offense that flashed consistency with his ball placement and NFL instincts. His mental acuity definitely showed NFL caliber flashes as well but still needs some development. Regardless, you're not going to find a perfect QB prospect in the 2nd. But what I see in Grayson is an accurate kid with a good feel for the game and his weaknesses are things that typically develop well...especially for a guy who already flashes the skills.

Yes, he'll never be confused with Cutler. His arm strength is nothing special. But I think you could see plays in that game where it showed that it was functional. He hit windows down the field with velocity. The sideline throws aren't going to be rockets but they can get there. Especially with his placement and as he gets more consistent with timing.

Hey. Have you done a Rams mock draft where the Rams couldn't find a trade partner to provide them with extra picks? I'd be curious to see how that one would look.

I've done them all, my friend. I've done some where we traded up, some where we traded down, and some where we stayed put. But I think if the four I mentioned in the mock are off the board, the Rams will be looking to move down.

Like the draft, but it's a head scratchier that their first pick is Cam Erving and he does not start? Other than that I like draft and concur with you @jrry32 DeAndre Smelter that would be huge value in the 4th.

And BTW not that it means much, but Jim Thomas and company will kill the regime for sitting their first round pick, but they are going to kill them regardless.

There are three reasons why:
1. I have always believed that a rookie has to earn the starting job if there's a starting caliber vet there (which I think Barrett Jones can be).
2. The Center position is the most cerebral out of all the OL positions and Erving will likely need time to get the scheme down.
3. As far as the competition for OG is concerned, Tomlinson is the more experienced and technically polished player so I could easily see him winning that starting job over Erving.

Do not fret, though. Erving will be a studly Center for us down the line.

Couldn't agree more. This class looks like a bunch of career back ups. If I'm looking at a development QB I like Fajardo who was discussed in another thread or Hutson Mason from Georgia. Both could be had after the 5th and IMO may have more "upside".

When a class for a certain position is so weak there is a tendency to overrate certain players to justify a need.

I'm sorry, Boston, but Hutson Mason didn't even look like a camp arm when I watched him.

 

[den-the-coach]

I don't. I absolutely hate the idea of moving Saffold from RG where he was dominant.

Correct so play Erving at center not Barners and Saffold at RG....Mission Accomplished!

 

[CodeMonkey]

Correct so play Erving at center not Barners and Saffold at RG....Mission Accomplished!

The best thing about Erving is his utility. I like any scenario that nets him.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Correct so play Erving at center not Barners and Saffold at RG....Mission Accomplished!

Long term perhaps. But, would the Rams really want someone so inexperienced at the position in the starting lineup on opening day? Unless the QB takes over, isn't this the guy making the line calls?

 

[CodeMonkey]

Long term perhaps. But, would the Rams really want someone so inexperienced at the position in the starting lineup on opening day? Unless the QB takes over, isn't this the guy making the line calls?

He is far better equipped than any other prospect and possibly more so than what is on our roster. In any event he gives us options.

 

[den-the-coach]

But, would the Rams really want someone so inexperienced at the position

IDK, I guess we'll see, but other teams have done it in the past and if it's the right guy there is no reason he can start from day one IMHO.

 

[DR RAM]

The best thing about Erving is his utility. I like any scenario that nets him.

He can't play OLT in the NFL, not even for a short stint, but I like him in the interior.

 

[CodeMonkey]

He can't play OLT in the NFL, not even for a short stint, but I like him in the interior.

I'd like us to land a King Kong for the outside too.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

A 2nd round Garrett Grayson selection would probably force me to miss the rest of the draft

If we still have a funniest quote forum going then I'd nominate that one...

No offense to jrry but that was actually pretty damn hilarious

 

[jrry32]

If we still have a best line forum going then I'd nominate that one...

No offense to jrry but that was actually pretty funny

Won't offend me. There are plenty of picks that other people would be good with that I feel the same way about.