Jrry32 New Coaching Staff Excitement Mock

[dieterbrock]

I also think they will stick with a 4-3, too many guys needing to switch position
Like the work on offense though and its just awesome to be able to start seeing mock's with our new HC and DC
I'd be curious to see how different you'd mock it while keeping the 4-3 in tact

 

[RamFan503]

@jrry32 lot to digest here. I like bringing in Garcons here as well as Vernon. I would love to see Wheaton shred the field in horns as a big OSU fan.

I really like the idea of bringing in Ware. Not sure we'll be able to get him but it makes sense he might follow Wade.

I will look at the draft picks you identified. The only one I've really seen play more than a couple snaps is TJ.

Good stuff and yeah... I'm pretty excited about this coaching staff as well.

 

[jrry32]

I would not be a fan of that WR core because I feel it would suffer from vertical congestion....I would go back to including Stills because I believe in McVay's scheme you have to get deep and Wheaton and Garcon can't.

@jrry32 I love the offensive line rebuild and I hope as well who every they bring in to coach those guys (Kromer) he can reshape Robinson who IMO it is now more mental than physical.

I have to disagree regarding Wheaton. He averaged 17 yards per catch in 2015, he was a good vertical threat in college as well, and he ran a 4.45 40 coming out. He can get deep. Pittsburgh just chose not to use him in that role early in his career.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELzW0PqiC6I

 

[jrry32]

I also think they will stick with a 4-3, too many guys needing to switch position
Like the work on offense though and its just awesome to be able to start seeing mock's with our new HC and DC
I'd be curious to see how different you'd mock it while keeping the 4-3 in tact

It'd be very different. But I feel like their heading towards a 3-4 right now. JMO.

 

[den-the-coach]

I have to disagree regarding Wheaton. He averaged 17 yards per catch in 2015, he was a good vertical threat in college as well, and he ran a 4.45 40 coming out. He can get deep. Pittsburgh just chose not to use him in that role early in his career.

Who was throwing to Wheaton in college? That's an outstanding average per catch.

 

[jrry32]

Who was throwing to Wheaton in college? That's an outstanding average per catch.

In 2015, he was catching passes from Big Ben (when he posted 17 yards per catch). In college, he caught passes from Sean Mannion and Cody Vaz. He was the #1 WR (with Brandin Cooks as the #2 WR) during Mannion's sophomore year.

 

[den-the-coach]

. He was the #1 WR (with Brandin Cooks as the #2 WR) during Mannion's sophomore year.

I knew it was Mannion, just wanted you to post it.

 

[OldSchool]

I knew it was Mannion, just wanted you to post it.

I say we go with Tahj Boyd because in 2013 Martavius Bryant had 19.7 ypc as the #2 to Sammy Watkins

 

[jrry32]

I knew it was Mannion, just wanted you to post it.

Mannion only started part of the year. He got hurt and then got benched for Cody Vaz.

 

[RamFan503]

Mannion only started part of the year. He got hurt and then got benched for Cody Vaz.

Come on jrry. Not exactly how it went. Mannion was injured and had surgery on his knee. He came back too early and after he strained it again, they played him sparingly. They would started switching back and forth until he simply couldn't move at all on the knee. Vaz was never named their starter except for when Mannion was essentially a dressed scratch.

 

[jrry32]

Come on jrry. Not exactly how it went. Mannion was injured and had surgery on his knee. He came back too early and after he strained it again, they played him sparingly. They would started switching back and forth until he simply couldn't move at all on the knee. Vaz was never named their starter except for when Mannion was essentially a dressed scratch.

RF503, I'm not debating the reasons behind it, but Mannion did not play well that year. He came back, and they chose to stick with Vaz (who was playing better).

 

[RamFan503]

RF503, I'm not debating the reasons behind it, but Mannion did not play well that year. He came back, and they chose to stick with Vaz (who was playing better).

You shouldn't debate it because that is not what happened. I respect the time you put in on college players but having been very in tune with our team 45 minutes away, what you are trying to relay as if fact, just didn't happen the way you're obviously trying to infer.

The only way Vaz outplayed Mannion during that span was by having two good knees. Vaz played well but was never considered the starter - not in 2011, 2012, or 2013.

 

[jrry32]

You shouldn't debate it because that is not what happened. I respect the time you put in on college players but having been very in tune with our team 45 minutes away, what you are trying to relay as if fact, just didn't happen the way you're obviously trying to infer.

The only way Vaz outplayed Mannion during that span was by having two good knees. Vaz played well but was never considered the starter - not in 2011, 2012, or 2013.

http://www.si.com/football/2012/12/24/vaz-start-alamo-bowl
Junior Cody Vaz will start at quarterback for No. 15 Oregon State in the Alamo Bowl against Texas.

Beavers coach Mike Riley held off making a decision between Vaz and sophomore Sean Mannion until Saturday. Oregon State (9-3) will travel to San Antonio on Sunday to prepare for next week's game with the Longhorns (8-4).

Mannion has thrown for 2,446 yards, 15 touchdowns and 13 interceptions in nine games this season. Vaz has thrown for 1,286 yards, 11 touchdowns and one interception in six games.

Mannion started the first four games of the season, throwing seven touchdown passes and averaging 339 yards, but sustained an injury to his left knee that required surgery. Vaz, who hadn't started since high school, took over and helped the Beavers win their next two games. He later became the team's starter.

But Vaz sprained his left ankle in the final moments of a loss to Stanford, and Mannion started the final three games.

"I have to stress we are choosing between good, not good and bad," Riley said after practice Saturday.

The two quarterbacks took similar reps in practice until Saturday when Vaz played primarily with the first-team offense. The Beavers will resume practice on Monday in San Antonio.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf...ck-cody-vaz-quarterback-202528127--ncaaf.html
Oregon State now has a full-fledged quarterback controversy.

Sean Mannion, returning from a knee injury, threw four interceptions in Oregon State's first loss of the season last week at Washington. Vaz came in the game late, after Mannion's fourth pick, and almost led the Beavers to a win. On Monday, Oregon State coach Mike Riley announced that Vaz will start this week, according to Stephen Nelson, a reporter with KEZI 9 television.


Vaz, a junior, made a name for himself when he won the first two starts of his career as Mannion recovered from a knee injury. He even won Pac-12 Player of the Week honors. He helped the Beavers remain undefeated.

When Mannion was ready to return, Riley reinstated him as the starter, but Mannion struggled and the Beavers lost. That has opened up a can of worms for the Beavers, who face Arizona State this week.

Unless Vaz resumes his hot play, Riley can look forward to a few more weeks of second guessing.

 

[RamFan503]

http://www.si.com/football/2012/12/24/vaz-start-alamo-bowl
Junior Cody Vaz will start at quarterback for No. 15 Oregon State in the Alamo Bowl against Texas.

Beavers coach Mike Riley held off making a decision between Vaz and sophomore Sean Mannion until Saturday. Oregon State (9-3) will travel to San Antonio on Sunday to prepare for next week's game with the Longhorns (8-4).

Mannion has thrown for 2,446 yards, 15 touchdowns and 13 interceptions in nine games this season. Vaz has thrown for 1,286 yards, 11 touchdowns and one interception in six games.

Mannion started the first four games of the season, throwing seven touchdown passes and averaging 339 yards, but sustained an injury to his left knee that required surgery. Vaz, who hadn't started since high school, took over and helped the Beavers win their next two games. He later became the team's starter.

But Vaz sprained his left ankle in the final moments of a loss to Stanford, and Mannion started the final three games.

"I have to stress we are choosing between good, not good and bad," Riley said after practice Saturday.

The two quarterbacks took similar reps in practice until Saturday when Vaz played primarily with the first-team offense. The Beavers will resume practice on Monday in San Antonio.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf...ck-cody-vaz-quarterback-202528127--ncaaf.html
Oregon State now has a full-fledged quarterback controversy.

Sean Mannion, returning from a knee injury, threw four interceptions in Oregon State's first loss of the season last week at Washington. Vaz came in the game late, after Mannion's fourth pick, and almost led the Beavers to a win. On Monday, Oregon State coach Mike Riley announced that Vaz will start this week, according to Stephen Nelson, a reporter with KEZI 9 television.


Vaz, a junior, made a name for himself when he won the first two starts of his career as Mannion recovered from a knee injury. He even won Pac-12 Player of the Week honors. He helped the Beavers remain undefeated.

When Mannion was ready to return, Riley reinstated him as the starter, but Mannion struggled and the Beavers lost. That has opened up a can of worms for the Beavers, who face Arizona State this week.

Unless Vaz resumes his hot play, Riley can look forward to a few more weeks of second guessing.

That's great and Mannion still had the knee problem. Vaz did not take the starting job. Riles did indeed name Vaz the starter because as the article states, there was a crappy situation going on at the time. Vaz had a couple really good games but both were nicked up and Mannion was unable to put weight on his knee. Mannion returned to the unquestioned starter role the following year and I believe Vaz had exactly zero starts.

I remember all the rumors with OSU being pretty highly ranked at the time. I think they were number 5 in some polls.

Bottom line was that Mannion had surgery on his knee that season and he never completely recovered during the season. As soon as he recovered, he was the starter again. Vaz never was the better QB and Riley only played Vaz because he was healthier.

So technically Vaz took over the starting role for the last two games but it was not because he beat out Mannion.

 

[Corbin]

I like it I'm just not a fan of keeping GRob at LT. I'm literally done with his ass. With that said it doesn't make much sense to cut him due to the dead money. But I like how you fixed the guard positions do would we have enough to pick up a LT in FA? And develop GRob somehow for one more year.

 

[BonifayRam]

The Mark Barron discussion is a good one to have......is Mark a strong safety ? is Mark a weak side outside Lb'er ? or is Mark an inside weak side LB'er? Bottom line here is his cap hit to the Rams 2017 salary will be 11 million! Mark is slated to make 10 million in 2018. I would imagine trading Mark Barron & his $45 million contract 20 million is guaranteed in NOT going to happen this off season.

How many Strong Safeties playing in the NFL are worth 11 million a season? IMO Mark Barron has never excelled for any length of time in the strong safety position in the NFL. The 2017 all pro NFC SS is paid 1.7 million & the 2017 all pro AFC SS is paid 5.7 million. So are we really going to consider inserting Mark Barron back into the Rams secondary @ strong safety post? Barron is a liability in coverage & moving him back into the secondary will place Mark in a position to be taken advantage off in the passing game. Another thought here is why put Mark Barron in a post when the Rams might have a bright & future star & better in coverage safety named Mo Alexander?

I just do not see Mark Barron as the starting SS in 2017. I would keep Mark up close to the LOS & in the thick of battle as the weak side interior LB'er & let him earn his big paycheck there in 2017. I do not see him as a liability as most do as a LB'er.

 

[BonifayRam]

I like it I'm just not a fan of keeping GRob at LT. I'm literally done with his ass. With that said it doesn't make much sense to cut him due to the dead money. But I like how you fixed the guard positions do would we have enough to pick up a LT in FA? And develop GRob somehow for one more year.

Rams currently are in two bad positions here....#1-with the LT post & #2-the GRob contract in 2017. Fact is GRob continues to trend closer to being closer worthless as an OL'er than being valuable expecially due to his one season price tag. Sad fact GRob is the 7th highest paid Ram:huh:! That GRob problem is a near 7 million that GRob is going to be paid no mater what happens. When I hear members :coach:throw out the cure-all in the discussions of moving GRob from OT to OG..... issue overalm:, matter resolved:shades:, causes me to go into a full-scale :rant:. I just do not understand it . Where does the thoughts come from that playing OG is less demanding & easier for the simple minded or lazier OL'ers??? Where is there any evidence that GRob should have always been a OG instead of a OT? Is there any evidence that GRob would make a good OG?

This is a OL'er who has a track record of having a lot of issues learning his parts & responsibilities @ one single post (LT) for the last 3 NFL seasons. Now magically McVay is going to make GRob a workable NFL starting OG? in a brand new offense? & lets move on ......things will turn out wonderfulopcorn:.

GRob has just 1 yr left on his Rookie contract. I going to try to find out where GRob can help out this 2017 Ram team the most. So I'll start here...Rams are always in need of healthy OL'ers after injuries to OT Darrell Williams(Wrist), OT Rob Havenstein(toe/calf), OC Tim Barnes(foot) RG Cody Wichmann(calf), OT Rodger Saffold(hand) & OG Jamon Brown(hand). No other Ram OL'er has been as healthy as GRob over the last 3 seasons. So GRob has a positive here.

I would not want to go through the long term effort here, trying to RETRAIN Grob to be an interior OL'er in just one off season & a training camp. Why would you do this? I would think keeping GRob as a OT. He always been a OT. GRob has been playing learning OT throughout college career & the 3 NFL seasons..... would be the best for us. Plan to use him to support the two starting tackle positions whomever they are. I would hope to shoot for the high mark for GRob to be the game day swing relief OT. If GRob fails to win this important position then GRob would take up the 9th or 10th Ram reserve OL'er positions on the 53 player roster.

 

[Corbin]

Rams currently are in two bad positions here....#1-with the LT post & #2-the GRob contract in 2017. Fact is GRob continues to trend closer to being closer worthless as an OL'er than being valuable expecially due to his one season price tag. Sad fact GRob is the 7th highest paid Ram:huh:! That GRob problem is a near 7 million that GRob is going to be paid no mater what happens. When I hear members :coach:throw out the cure-all in the discussions of moving GRob from OT to OG..... issue overalm:, matter resolved:shades:, causes me to go into a full-scale :rant:. I just do not understand it . Where does the thoughts come from that playing OG is less demanding & easier for the simple minded or lazier OL'ers??? Where is there any evidence that GRob should have always been a OG instead of a OT? Is there any evidence that GRob would make a good OG?

This is a OL'er who has a track record of having a lot of issues learning his parts & responsibilities @ one single post (LT) for the last 3 NFL seasons. Now magically McVay is going to make GRob a workable NFL starting OG? in a brand new offense? & lets move on ......things will turn out wonderfulopcorn:.

GRob has just 1 yr left on his Rookie contract. I going to try to find out where GRob can help out this 2017 Ram team the most. So I'll start here...Rams are always in need of healthy OL'ers after injuries to OT Darrell Williams(Wrist), OT Rob Havenstein(toe/calf), OC Tim Barnes(foot) RG Cody Wichmann(calf), OT Rodger Saffold(hand) & OG Jamon Brown(hand). No other Ram OL'er has been as healthy as GRob over the last 3 seasons. So GRob has a positive here.

I would not want to go through the long term effort here, trying to RETRAIN Grob to be an interior OL'er in just one off season & a training camp. Why would you do this? I would think keeping GRob as a OT. He always been a OT. GRob has been playing learning OT throughout college career & the 3 NFL seasons..... would be the best for us. Plan to use him to support the two starting tackle positions whomever they are. I would hope to shoot for the high mark for GRob to be the game day swing relief OT. If GRob fails to win this important position then GRob would take up the 9th or 10th Ram reserve OL'er positions on the 53 player roster.

Great post @BonifayRam . You cover a lot of views and things I think myself judging and watching GRob. It literally baffles me on people who have watched him and declare he wasn't doing a bad job or he was doing average at worst. The guy has been such a disappointment in many areas but I'm not sure why? I don't know if he's been an over privileged player like some get and the effort doesn't mirror his draft status which untimely is how you are judged.
I don't know if it was the horrendous coaching which I don't think any of us could debate that it was atrocious, or maybe he just doesn't get it and is a Marcy Gilyard of our OL. Maybe a combo of all the above?
IDK.
I would think a new regime could assess him correctly for us and hopefully get him playing at least average.

I understand your concern on him going inside to G wouldn't Benefeit him and from seeing his inability to perform basic concepts and as simply as get physically in somebody's way to stop pressure. IDK if he is worth anything after this year tbh.

 

[Riverumbbq]

Rams currently are in two bad positions here....#1-with the LT post & #2-the GRob contract in 2017. Fact is GRob continues to trend closer to being closer worthless as an OL'er than being valuable expecially due to his one season price tag. Sad fact GRob is the 7th highest paid Ram:huh:! That GRob problem is a near 7 million that GRob is going to be paid no mater what happens. When I hear members :coach:throw out the cure-all in the discussions of moving GRob from OT to OG..... issue overalm:, matter resolved:shades:, causes me to go into a full-scale :rant:. I just do not understand it . Where does the thoughts come from that playing OG is less demanding & easier for the simple minded or lazier OL'ers??? Where is there any evidence that GRob should have always been a OG instead of a OT? Is there any evidence that GRob would make a good OG?

This is a OL'er who has a track record of having a lot of issues learning his parts & responsibilities @ one single post (LT) for the last 3 NFL seasons. Now magically McVay is going to make GRob a workable NFL starting OG? in a brand new offense? & lets move on ......things will turn out wonderfulopcorn:.

GRob has just 1 yr left on his Rookie contract. I going to try to find out where GRob can help out this 2017 Ram team the most. So I'll start here...Rams are always in need of healthy OL'ers after injuries to OT Darrell Williams(Wrist), OT Rob Havenstein(toe/calf), OC Tim Barnes(foot) RG Cody Wichmann(calf), OT Rodger Saffold(hand) & OG Jamon Brown(hand). No other Ram OL'er has been as healthy as GRob over the last 3 seasons. So GRob has a positive here.

I would not want to go through the long term effort here, trying to RETRAIN Grob to be an interior OL'er in just one off season & a training camp. Why would you do this? I would think keeping GRob as a OT. He always been a OT. GRob has been playing learning OT throughout college career & the 3 NFL seasons..... would be the best for us. Plan to use him to support the two starting tackle positions whomever they are. I would hope to shoot for the high mark for GRob to be the game day swing relief OT. If GRob fails to win this important position then GRob would take up the 9th or 10th Ram reserve OL'er positions on the 53 player roster.

1) I'll try and address both post questions. With Barron, indeed he is being paid as an elite LB, and this may be the worst contract on the team going forward, especially concerning as we won't know how he works out in Phillip's scheme until after we see him play in 2017. Another problem is that Ogletree is now working on his 5'th year option and will probably be looking for Barron type money sooner than later. Neither Ogletree or Barron ranked well with PFF, grading at 51 & 33 respectively among all LB'ers. Both Barron & Ogletree struggled in rush defense while performing far better in coverage. 2016 was Ogletree's first year as an NFL MLB, now he may have to try something new again as a 3/4 ILB. Same goes with Barron, where size might matter more. If Barron doesn't have the strength/ability to slide by or take on blockers & a rush, he could have a difficult time. I have to assume Barron would be the MIKE ILB. IMO, Ogletree should also play a MIKE while we draft or acquire thru free agency a truer JACK ILB. In my own mock I have Barron as hybrid, playing both at ILB and at SS along with Alexander, moving back and forth adjusting to various defensive schemes. Either way, with a $4.mil Dead CAP hit, we will see Barron on the Rams in 2017. It's an important position to watch how this plays out if/when Wade shifts gears on our Base D.

2) When it comes to Greg Robinson, it either comes down to him being a bust at LT, or McVay deciding that GRob was coached so poorly that he may still be redeemable. So far, he seems like Snead's worst pick, and I say Snead because GRob comes from the same school as Snead. I'm leaning towards bust unfortunately, but i'm no OL coach. When he came out of school we were all told he'd be a project, that he and his footwork were as raw as could be. This would be a developmental player. We assumed he'd play LG for a few years since we had Jake Long at LT ... until we didn't. GRob wasn't great as a rookie LG in his short time period, but he wasn't terrible either, he spent his time in camp practicing at both positions. He was noted for his size, power & body control, a mauler who would excel as a run blocker. Robinson is entering his final contract year unless the Rams pick up his expensive 5'th year option for 2018, and that won't happen unless he suddenly transforms himself into Orlando Pace while in this next camp. So, Robinson has exactly one season left as a Ram until free agency, either we continue the gamble forcing a square peg thru a round hole at LT, and just say goodbye after the season, or we try a new approach. As an OG, Robinson wouldn't have to display the kind of footwork we expect of elite LT's, he'd be working within an enclosed space, an area where he should be able to use his known skills much more effectively. Besides poor footwork, I don't believe he reads his opposing DE's well, seems a lot like guessing, more often wrong about which way they are going, whether inside or out, he can't seem to recover quickly enough to be effective, just too much ground for him to recover, to much space for him to patrol. He'll make 1 great play, then 3 bad plays, ... and his confusion has made him a penalty magnet. He does well enough as a run blocker, but he's the worst pass protector we got.
If it were me, I would move him to RG, having Saffold take up at LG, and go ahead and draft or seek a free agent to hold down the fort at LT. If GRob fails as an OT again, he's done as a Ram, if he succeeds as an OG, he could become our next Saffold, eventually becoming a valuable & reliable swing player at as many as 3 or 4 Oline positions. He could still have a career with the Rams, or he may very well be one and done as a LT.
I move him inside. jmo.

 

[jrry32]

With Barron, indeed he is being paid as an elite LB, and this may be the worst contract on the team going forward, especially concerning as we won't know how he works out in Phillip's scheme until after we see him play in 2017.

A contract is only bad if you can't get out of it. It's why Tavon's and Barron's contracts are nothing more than minor inconveniences for now. We're stuck with both for a year (unless we trade Barron). After that, it is easy to get out of both contracts.