Jeff Fisher and Les Snead Need To Improve In 2015 NFL Draft

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http://ramblinfan.com/2015/03/26/jeff-fisher-and-les-snead-need-to-improve-in-2015-nfl-draft/


The 2015 NFL Draft is quickly approaching. Over the past three years, St. Louis Rams general manager Les Snead and head coach Jeff Fisher have been praised for the jobs that they have done in the drafts. In their first year they pulled off the infamous RGIII trade, the next year they got a steal in Alec Ogletree at the bottom of the first round, and last year they got another steal and drafted defensive Rookie of the Year in Aaron Donald.

However, the two have not done as well as some may have thought. Horseshoe Heroes, also apart of the FanSided Network, put together a chart consisting of the percentage of selections still on the active roster from 2012-2014, the exact years that Fisher and Snead have been in St. Louis. What might come as a surprise is that the Rams rank in the bottom ten in the NFL as they have only retained 64.3% of their selections.

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Compare that to some of the league’s best teams like the Denver Broncos who retain 80%, New England Patriots who have retained 77.3%, and Green Bay Packers who retain 71.4%.

Over the past three years the Rams have had a total of 28 picks, nine of which were top 50, thats the most of any team in the NFL over that span. Of those 28 picks only 18 are on the active roster. Remember, the active roster doesn’t include Isaiah Pead, Brian Quick, or Barrett Jones.

Here’s a recap of the last three drafts:

2012

1-14 – Michael Brockers

2-33 – Brian Quick

2-39 – Janoris Jenkins

2-50 – Isaiah Pead

3-65 – Trumaine Johnson

4-96 – Chris Givens

5-150 – Rokevious Watkins

6-171 – Greg Zuerlein

7-209 – Aaron Brown

7-252 – Daryl Richardson

2013

1-8 – Tavon Austin

1-30 – Alec Ogletree

3-71 – T.J. McDonald

4-113 – Barrett Jones

5-149 – Brandon McGee

5-160 – Zac Stacy

2014

1-2 – Greg Robinson

1-13 – Aaron Donald

2-41 – Lamarcus Joyner

3-75 – Tre Mason

4-110 – Maurice Alexander

6-188 – E.J. Gaines

6-214 – Garrett Gilbert

7-226 – Mitchell Van Dyk

7-241 – Christian Bryant

7-249 – Michael Sam

7-250 – Demetrius Rhaney

While the Rams may have had 28 picks and 21 of those are on the team’s full roster, if you take an even deeper look into it, it becomes even less impressive. As I’ve pointed out the Rams have 21 players that they’ve drafted still on the full roster.

However, of those 21 players, 11 include Tavon Austin, Greg Robinson, Brian Quick, Isaiah Pead, Chris Givens, Barrett Jones, Brandon McGee, Zac Stacy, Lamarcus Joyner, Maurice Alexander, and Demetrius Rhaney, all of which have either shown a couple flashes or haven’t had much of an impact.

On that list, aside from Austin, Robinson, Quick and maybe Joyner, how many of these players will be on the team next year or the year after? Maybe just those two, three if they are lucky.

What’s even more disappointing is the players that the Rams have missed on or let slide by them. In 2012, the Rams traded away the 45th overall selection to Chicago who in turn selected Alshon Jeffrey. Five picks later, the Rams selected Isaiah Pead.

In their careers Pead has 17 carries for 75 yards and has torn his ACL. Jeffrey has 198 catches for 2,920 yards and 20 touchdowns.

In 2013 instead of trading up for Tavon Austin with the 8th overall pick, they could have stayed put at 16 and taken safety Eric Reid instead. Safety has been one of the Rams’ biggest need since 2013. In that Austin trade to move up to eight, the Rams surrendered their second round pick as well, and with that pick the Bills took 2013 defensive rookie of the year, linebacker Kiko Alonso.

Sure, the Rams took a linebacker earlier in the draft, but instead of taking Ogletree at 30, wouldnt it be nice to have a pro bowl center like Travis Frederick?

That 2013 draft was thin, and the Rams did good getting players like T.J. McDonald and Stedman Bailey, but it’s in the first couple of rounds that they could be really helpful now.

Lastly, looking at last season. Greg Robinson or Sammy Watkins are still the top selections for the Rams. Both are question marks, but given the Rams current situation, I stick with Robinson and although they could have traded up or back for Odell Beckham Jr., Donald is a top defensive tackle.

However going into the second round, the Rams took Joyner when they could have taken a potential number one receiver in Jordan Matthews. They took Maurice Alexander when they could have, once again, taken a top receiving threat in Martinis Bryant.

Moving into the later rounds they took Garrett Gilbert, when they could have traded up two spots to take a quarterback with some upside in Tajh Boyd.

The Rams were stacked with 7th round picks last season which you can only hope you get lucky, which they did not. However, a player that went undrafted that they could have drafted in that 7th round is guard Andrew Norwell who was solid for the Panthers last season. Instead the Rams took Mitchell Van Dyk and Christian Bryan, both who aren’t even on the roster.

Now, Im not here to bash the Rams recent results in drafting. It’s a lot easier for me to see what they could have done after the fact. Fisher and Snead have drafted promising players, however, they have also just done an average job and made crucial mistakes in the early rounds in their tenure.

The 2015 draft will be a big one for the St. Louis Rams. They have numerous holes on the offensive line and holes in the secondary that they need to fill. In order to take the next step in 2015, this draft will have to be a good one for Fisher and Snead.
 

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Reading articles like this will make you go crazy. Oh what could have been... b.s.
 

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Reading articles like this will make you go crazy. Oh what could have been... b.s.
Whether you want to call is BS or not, the fact remains the Rams should/could have drafted better. If you want the Rams to win a SB, they're going to have to consistently be one of the best drafting teams in the NFL. I'm still not convinced they're near that.

IMO, their drafts look better than they are because of the amount of picks they've had, how high they've picked, the way the Rams use to draft(pretty easy to look great compared the previous regimes), and because of how bad the roster Snisher inherited was.

Having said all this, I don't think Snisher is bad at drafting. I just don't think they're good enough. Perhaps they can get better? I truly hope so.
 

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Without getting too deep into it, a pure retention metric is one of the dumbest, laziest ways you could possibly judge a team's recent draft history. On the surface it's clear that you would be majorly penalizing teams who:

a)Have a lot of late draft picks which statistically have less of a chance of making the team and
b)Have a strong roster and less room for weaker draft picks

A weighted metric which gives more weight to early draft picks would be much more useful, but I guess that would take too much work. For example, if you look a little closer and look at the first 4 rounds which is where all the money is made, the Rams have a 100% retention rate the last 3 years. Call me crazy, but that might just be somewhere near the top of the league. :whistle:
Compare that to some of the league’s best teams like the Denver Broncos who retain 80%, New England Patriots who have retained 77.3%, and Green Bay Packers who retain 71.4%.

And compare that to some of the league's worst teams like the Jacksonville Jaguars who retain 87%, Tennessee Titans who retain 85.7%, and Houston Texans who retain 81.9%. LOL. And then the revisionist history which you could apply to every single team in the NFL makes me want to vomit. If you listen closely, you can hear the dying moans of this guy's piss poor pointless analysis. No offense X, but Dxmissile was right, this article is trash.
 
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Whether you want to call is BS or not, the fact remains the Rams should/could have drafted better. If you want the Rams to win a SB, they're going to have to consistently be one of the best drafting teams in the NFL. I'm still not convinced they're near that.

IMO, their drafts look better than they are because of the amount of picks they've had, how high they've picked, the way the Rams use to draft(pretty easy to look great compared the previous regimes), and because of how bad the roster Snisher inherited was.

Having said all this, I don't think Snisher is bad at drafting. I just don't think they're good enough. Perhaps they can get better? I truly hope so.

They're drafting well enough. Building from the inside out. The obvious exception was the TA pick.
The issue has been the QB position. Doesn't really matter how well we draft without consistent production from that position.

This year's draft and the play of Foles will be the determining factor in the career of our current management.
Win or lose we'll be able to backward rationalize or criticize the Snisher area for the next few decades.

And you're right about how bad the roster was that they inherited was.

But we the fans will all forget about that. And hold Snisher accountable Regardless.
 

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Maybe I'm Crazy, But I don't think 64.3% is Bad, during a complete rebuild, and in the 1st three years of it! Kodo's to Snisher and Company!!
 

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They're drafting well enough. Building from the inside out. The obvious exception was the TA pick.
The issue has been the QB position. Doesn't really matter how well we draft without consistent production from that position.

This year's draft and the play of Foles will be the determining factor in the career of our current management.
Win or lose we'll be able to backward rationalize or criticize the Snisher area for the next few decades.

And you're right about how bad the roster was that they inherited was.

But we the fans will all forget about that. And hold Snisher accountable Regardless.

I'd argue there have been more questionable picks than just Austin(and this isn't a 20/20 hindsight thing, either). And I'm not sure I agree with them building from the inside out. If that were true, we'd have more O-line picks in the top rounds than just GRob. They have gone from the inside out on defense, though.
 

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As I have not been a huge fan of their drafting (I've already given my reasons for that opinion in the past), this comes as no surprise to me. Where I disagree with the tenor of this article is that they are ignoring the success Snisher has had in drafting UDFAs and his lower round picks. It's a lot easier to have success in the first 4 rounds than it is later and after the draft. If those successes were factored in, pulling this out of my ass, I think the Rams would be in the middle of the pack or maybe a little higher.
 

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Maybe I'm Crazy, But I don't think 64.3% is Bad, during a complete rebuild, and in the 1st three years of it! Kodo's to Snisher and Company!!
Isn't that from their own drafts, though? Considering how bad the inherited roster was, it should be WAY higher than that, IMO. That roster was so bad, late round picks could have stuck.
 

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Yeh and we could have stayed put at #2 a few years ago and picked up the awesome RGIII - ohh how things could be different ;)
 

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9 of the 28 Rams picks(32%) were 6th or 7th round picks which historically have about a 10% chance of becoming a productive starter after 4 years (according to Charley Casserly's study). Most of them are out of the league their first year. So, as others have pointed out, teams with more late round picks will not do well in this "study".
 

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Going with pure numbers doesn't tell the whole story IMO. So whatever. I'm ok with their first draft which was their weakest. Snead has gotten better as his regime has dug in with their system and whatnot and culminated in last year's very fine draft.

So... IMO what matters at this point is that this is the most important draft yet for them because they need to overhaul the OL and they need to get a young QB identified and do those things where there is as much value as possible.

And you know what? The makeup of this draft favors them doing that with the OL. QB is gonna be tough, but it always is tbh. So just get one, let Wienke coach him up, and do the same thing again next year if necessary.

I feel like we're in good hands with this regime from a personnel standpoint. So we'll see I guess.
 

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I wasn't aware Christian Bryant isn't on the Rams roster.
Christian Bryant signed a 2 year, $960,000 contract with the St. Louis Rams, including an average annual salary of $480,000. In 2015, Bryant will earn a base salary of $435,000. Bryant has a cap hit of $435,000.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/st.-louis-rams/christian-bryant/

I just happen to think that Snead has done an outstanding job in comparison to the last few GM's the Rams have had in here. Well Done :bow:Snead!
 

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9 of the 28 Rams picks(32%) were 6th or 7th round picks which historically have about a 10% chance of becoming a productive starter after 4 years (according to Charley Casserly's study). Most of them are out of the league their first year. So, as others have pointed out, teams with more late round picks will not do well in this "study".
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