No look at the entire play on that pick 6Every snap Mannion got was low and almost in the turf Mannion caught it his mistake was throwing the ball when the snap came that low because it threw off his rhythm. So can I blame that on the center for the low snap that caused that interception.
The snap was a little weird, but it wasn't low, if anything it was a little high, but it was slow to get up to him. It wasn't a clean snap, but his feet were set when he threw the ball and there wasn't pressure in his face. The closest thing was the Cardinals DT being pushed behind/around Mannion, but he had some time. It was a poor read and a poor throw, that one is on him, he should have been able to adjust from the snap being a little off, because he really didn't need to change anything with his stance.
Goff arm talent is definitely not "far superior". I'm not going to hold that against you because maybe you didn't see Mannion play in college. He was the best QB at the senior bowl and he won the accuracy contest and was the most impressive QB at Mannings passing academy. He has Arm talent.. I have never seen a QB with a 0-7 record 7 interceptions 5touchdowns and 5 fumbles be regarded in such high esteem to where it's everyone's fault but his own. By your statementa every last one of his turnovers was caused by someone else and all his throws were great. I can understand you having faith in the guy but blind faith only leads to disappointment.
Yeah it is, I've seen Mannion's play in college, he has a good arm, Goff has a better one, and you can see that if you want to compare their college play, Goff was by a wide margin the far superior arm talent, hence why he was a first round, first overall draft pick, and Mannion was not. In his draft profile they talk about how he doesn't have good pocket awareness, he struggles getting the ball out, especially on out routes, struggles to get zip on his throws when his feet aren't set and he doesn't have a clean pocket. Now I think some of those things have been improved on them, but college to college, Goff was the superior arm talent. NFL to NFL that hasn't really changed, Goff can just simply do things that Mannion cannot, Goff can be someone who can lead the offense, Mannion was projected to be a good game manager. Goff made plenty of mistakes, I never said he didn't, every QB makes mistakes, especially rookie ones. However a large amount of his mistakes were due to his teammates essentially letting him down, dropping the ball, failing to give him protection, etc. The only reason why I bring that up is because the experts, the coaching staff, have mentioned it and citing it as reasons for his struggles.
You say Goff don't revert to bad habits but I beg the differ, when he was faced with the Rush he threw off his back leg or he panicked and didn't know where to go with the ball so he took a sack or worse fumbled the ball most likely did both on the same play. He also dropped his eyes and was too quick to throw the ball to the running back that was the cause of one of his own Pick 6 against Atlanta but that wasn't on Goff either according to you.
What I mean by bad habits I meant by throwing motion.. Every QB is going to throw off their back foot sometimes, Brady does it sometimes, and while it's not ideal that happens sometimes. The issues come when they're constantly falling back on bad habits, if Goff is throwing off his back foot because protection is constantly breaking down that points to an issue of protection and blocking more than anything else. If Goff is suddenly throwing with a very poor throwing motion because protection is breaking down and he's hearing footsteps you have a different problem. Goff doesn't have any issues with his throwing motion, so when it gets bad that's still good. I agree there were times he held onto the ball longer than he should, that was something they stressed coming out of college, he'd need to have his internal clock worked on because he's used to having guys be open, and Fisher obviously failed at that. Receivers couldn't get separation and Goff usually didn't throw it away in time, that is something that he needed to work on, and I hope he did. The pick six against Atlanta was on Goff, but he wasn't throwing to the running back, he was throwing to Britt running a slant, and he didn't see the LB underneath (who also made a great play on the ball), that was a mistake on his part and he shouldn't have thrown it to him. It was a poor read and a poor throw, I've never said that Goff was perfect.
Mannion was ahead of Goff last year in terms of knowing how to read defenses and call plays because that's what he has been doing his entire college career something Goff can't say. Now that's not to say that Goff won't close that Gap this year but color me doubtful.
I expected him to be ahead of Goff, Goff was a rookie, but just because Mannion was ahead of someone who had no experience reading defenses in the NFL, doesn't mean that he was some expert, people act like we have Tom Brady behind Goff waiting to play, Mannion had issues with reading defenses as well, but he understood the playbook better since he had an entire year in it. Both of them now have a new playbook, so they both started from square one. I expect Goff to have a better understanding of it, and given how involved he is with everything (constantly being seen at the facility watching practices and stuff even when he doesn't have to be. I would expect him to understand reading defenses better as well, with his experiences now, but it's going to be difficult to assess that given the two of them aren't exactly going to be on a game show being quizzed on it. Goff isn't stupid though (neither is Mannion), he's where he's at for a reason.
I thought Cole said that someone in the organization, someone around the team said Goff's footwork is behind Mannion's now...like in todays OTA's?
That must be an error, Goff was always lauded for having amazing footwork for a young player, and Mannion was known for below average pocket movement, and being more of a statue with his feet, while Goff was known for having good pocket presence and always keeping his feet moving.
