Jared Goff should begin on bench

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My thoughts exactly, Keenum should start the season, as he gives us the best chance to win to win now. If we have a losing record after 5 games, then we have nothing to lose by starting Goff after that.
 

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At this point I don't think you can determine if Goff should or shouldn't start game 1-----although, I hope he proves he deserves to start game 1. Goff's development is all about learning: the offense, reading nfl defenses, his receivers, the speed of the game, among other factors. Learning is a process, (don't make the same mistake twice) which takes time.: Where is Goff now along in his learning process: on schedule, ahead, or behind? This can't fully determined until after tc and ps games. Even is he excels in ps games he faces another learning step once the real season starts. Once he gets to the point where the next best learning experience is in an actual nfl game then he'll start. Read something the other day that said they were "coaching" him after every play he makes which, imho is the best way to get him ready-----they all want to be "on the same page". Finally, remember, Goff will make mistakes, throw ints, and miss open receivers throughout his career not just this year because he's a rookie.
 

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I wish you hadn't asked. I don't have those answers. I honestly don't know what to think when it comes to Fisher. You illustrate perfectly why that is. He's an enigma. My personal feeling is that Goff needs a year, and that that's been the consensus throughout the organization from the start. In this case, Fisher can play it anyway he sees fit. He can allow Keenum to play out the season regardless of his record... or not. Goff gets the time he needs, and Fisher gets 3 more years.

On the other hand... If Goff is "expected" to start. All bets are off. If that includes the possibility that Fisher needs the playoffs, or better, to get an extension. Then walk away from the table. There's no telling what he might do. Hell, I'm not sure what I would do. But I think it all begins with Keenum starting the season. There's just no way Goff is ready to lead a team to the playoffs.

EDIT: I should add that I was a Wentz guy, so what do I know?
 

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For those of you not realizing that Goff will not be ready for the first 4-6 i hope it's starting to dawn on you. It was apparent since the draft, dude needs time to get things under his belt and not only is he not ready it's Fisher's way to ease a rookie under fire his first year. It will be for the better!
 

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When you learn *anything* in life.... progress is commonly NOT linear. There is often a "eureka" moment when everything just clicks. Other times, it is only a semi-linear process, as one perpetually takes two steps forward followed by one step back.

I am more than happy to sit Goff until he is ready. Even if that means missing a handful of regular season games. No reason to panic until it starts looking his like rookie year is going to draw to a close and Goff is sitting there having yet to even inspire confidence.

The Rams knew Goff was raw then they drafted him. There will be growing pains. And he might not adjust to the NFL as quick as people hoped. No surprises there. None of the QBs in this draft class seemed to be "can't miss" prospects or generational talents. The only reason Goff and Wentz went #1 and #2 is because of the position they play. They certainly were not the best players in the draft.

Goff is an investment more than anything. If he pans out, we'll have a very good QB for a long time, and that is worth the wait.
 

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Nah, I think you guys are going to have a good first year (returning) California. I want you guys to have a good year in California. Goff will get his chance to be the starting quarterback of this team many times over as everyone should expect for so much draft capital invested in a player.

But there is no rush. If you can benefit the team and the player you just do it.

Fans care about fan impatience now, but in reality, nothing matters when you're racking up the wins.
 

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"It is always best to determine how good your QB is after 2 or 3 days of Training Camp, and make the decision right then and there"

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I thought we had most pro ready??? W could a had lynch and our picks.. I'm not worried yet its only been a couple practices but I liked the other 2 better



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I'm not familiar with Benjamin Allbright...Is he legit with regard to his "sources" ???
 

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When you learn *anything* in life.... progress is commonly NOT linear. There is often a "eureka" moment when everything just clicks. Other times, it is only a semi-linear process, as one perpetually takes two steps forward followed by one step back.
Agree with this, but couldn't "like" the rest of your commentary...
Goff needs to PLAY. You get better by playing...Gurley is gonna help Goff...He helped Foles, and Keenum....Yet, here's Keenum stats:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/15168/case-keenum
STATS
______________________CMP ATT_ YDS __CMP% _AVG __TD _LNG INT FUM QBR ___RAT
2015 Regular Season 76 _125 ___828 __60.8 ___6.62 ___4 ___60 __1 __3 __47.7 ___87.7
how's that?
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KeenCa00.htm
All of 133 yards a game...4 passing TD's....unless Groh is a miracle worker, that's Case....and some of yall want him to start? And yall want us to make the playoffs...have a winning record....we open vs Chip...and for some reason, I think his offense with Kaep is gonna be a bitch to defend....We'll need about 5-6 big throws, in tight windows, probably in the redzone or on 3rd downs, and yall want Case delivering the ball to Quick? Or Higbee?
 

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My thoughts exactly, Keenum should start the season, as he gives us the best chance to win to win now.

If game 1 in SF was tomorrow Keenum would start, because he has the offense down and has all the confidence of the staff in managing it. But I do not see some big dropoff personally, where Goff looks lost or behind. What I see personally is a kid who seems to know the offense quite well for a rookie who has seen 5 camp practices, and who offers so much more upside that there is absolutely no reason to think he won't be the best option a month from now.

IMO the reason most top 5 QBs start soon is because teams that pick early do not have holdover starters at QB of the quality required to give them a better chance to win. So inevitably those top 5 picks end up being the clear best chance to win for the team and they play. Looking at Goff, the kid seems confident and like he's making daily strides, so I just find it ridiculous that media members who have access to top coaching minds are throwing out prognostications on these guys already. Keenum is a good guy and a solid backup type QB, but he is not Brett Favre. He is not a QB of the caliber required to hold Goff on the bench.

Goff is gonna start week one IMO. I just don't see any way around it, unless Fish thinks the OL is not ready and decides not to risk his prized pick.
 

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Unless Goff just really stinks I feel he should start. Case isn't Tom Brady or AARON Rodgers. How he going to learn on the bench. Especially when season starts. Not that many reps for back up

I think being read to start is knowing the playbook inside out, and having a grasp of the pre snap adjustments needed to put his teammates in position to make plays vs. practice snaps imho
 

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Agree with this, but couldn't "like" the rest of your commentary...
Goff needs to PLAY. You get better by playing...Gurley is gonna help Goff...He helped Foles, and Keenum....Yet, here's Keenum stats:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/15168/case-keenum
STATS
______________________CMP ATT_ YDS __CMP% _AVG __TD _LNG INT FUM QBR ___RAT
2015 Regular Season 76 _125 ___828 __60.8 ___6.62 ___4 ___60 __1 __3 __47.7 ___87.7
how's that?
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KeenCa00.htm
All of 133 yards a game...4 passing TD's....unless Groh is a miracle worker, that's Case....and some of yall want him to start? And yall want us to make the playoffs...have a winning record....we open vs Chip...and for some reason, I think his offense with Kaep is gonna be a bitch to defend....We'll need about 5-6 big throws, in tight windows, probably in the redzone or on 3rd downs, and yall want Case delivering the ball to Quick? Or Higbee?

I respectfully disagree @LACHAMP46, you get better by practicing. You get bad and develop bad habits by playing... too soon. That being said, once the new CBA was enacted there's just not enough practice time anymore so teams have to risk playing rookie QBs earlier than ever before because if they can't get the practice reps, might as well get the live reps and do your best to mitigate bad habits developing from being overwhelmed (see Gurley, Todd here ;). But all things being equal, practice reps for a rookie QB surpass live reps in a game for development (at least for the 1st year or two or so).

If I'm being totally honest, I think it's best for Goff to sit. Even sit a year... but I'm @$#%$! impatient and I'm sick and tired of not having a franchise QB so there's a huge part of me that says start him so I can see some - Wow! - QB play, even if it's wildly inconsistent in the beginning and risks hurting him in the long run. Ugh. To be a fan!
 

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I think being read to start is knowing the playbook inside out,
Only Manning's, Brees, Brady, Rivers, and guys that have been in the SAME offense for YEARS have a grasp on their playbooks like this....

once the new CBA was enacted there's just not enough practice time anymore so teams have to risk playing rookie QBs
ahhhh, debate time...

I've seen @jrry32 say something similar to this "it can ruin mechanics...yada yada"...Every player is different...And lately, many have succeeded when thrown to the wolves of NFL defenses too soon....Winston & Marriota just being the latest...

The many failures, Locker, Gabbert, dude outta FSU with the Vikings...too many to name & remember...IMO, were NEVER franchise QB's to begin with....

Real QB's, no matter where they were drafted will struggle some, but most will get better, in the SEASON they started...the others that failed, were never that good to begin with.

After I heard Goff speak with NFLN, I'll continue to repeat this line...He's never NOT been a starter...not pop warner, not HS, not college......
 
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The many failures, Locker, Gabbert, dude outta FSU with the Vikings...too many to name & remember...IMO, were NEVER franchise QB's to begin with....

I've said this many times too.

If you are physically and mentally capable, it doesn't matter when you start.

Those that succeed are capable.

Those that fail, were not starter material to begin with.

The only recent exception I can think of is Alex Smith. He struggled early but has turned out half decent.
 

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