Jared Goff it is time take the Offense on your back!

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Ellard80

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I still have plenty of hope for Goff... He has a lazer arm and at times can throw passes that few other QBS can throw.

The line is bad this year... and at times he has no chance.

But he has played poorly this year.

Hopefully this year still has some juice left in it.
 

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JG can’t take the O on his back.

He’s too busy trying to stay off his flipping back.

Fix the line fix the team.
 

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JG can’t take the O on his back.

He’s too busy trying to stay off his flipping back.

Fix the line fix the team.

So tired of hearing the offensive line is source of all the problems ...

I'm sorry, coaches have to be able to adjust. McVay still wants to continually attack the field in the intermediate areas despite a lack of time to throw those routes.

Use a freakin' short passing game to set that stuff up. We have two very capable tight ends. I have an idea - how about run the ball out of the shotgun. We do this 4% of the time. 4%!

I watched teams attack our defense, which has had a strong pass rush for the last decade, with short passes over and over and over, with some success.

This offense is mind blowingly predictable. McVay needs a play caller to take over for him, so he can actually manage the team.
 

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So tired of hearing the offensive line is source of all the problems ...

I'm sorry, coaches have to be able to adjust. McVay still wants to continually attack the field in the intermediate areas despite a lack of time to throw those routes.

Use a freakin' short passing game to set that stuff up. We have two very capable tight ends. I have an idea - how about run the ball out of the shotgun. We do this 4% of the time. 4%!

I watched teams attack our defense, which has had a strong pass rush for the last decade, with short passes over and over and over, with some success.

This offense is mind blowingly predictable. McVay needs a play caller to take over for him, so he can actually manage the team.

Question. Did you think McVay needed a play caller the past two years or just this season?
 

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Question. Did you think McVay needed a play caller the past two years or just this season?

He did not need a play caller last year because LaFleur was heavily involved in the offensive game planning. Everything appeared cohesive.

2019 version of the Rams don't have an offensive coordinator. They have unit coordinators, and the lack of cohesion is painful. The inability to adjust is painful. Kromer is spending time on the run game, he needs to focus on the O-line. Waldron is coordinating the pass game and is the QB coach.

He needs help. Everything feels like it's a mash unit.
 

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Somebody help me out here... somewhere on ROD was a twitter post showing Corbett getting absolutely abused and tossed aside like a rag doll by a BACKUP Steeler lineman.

Does anyone recall seeing this?

My point is: again, I strongly disagree that the rest of this season should be considered a test of whether or not Goff can “step it up” or not. Goff is a pocket QB in a timing offense that requires him to progress through his reads. If the OL is so horrific that he can’t even do a 7-step drop with the time to go through progressions, then they have to eliminate a huge part of the playbook.

IMHO, the only way this season can be salvaged is in the unlikely event that the OL “steps it up.” The rest of the season is about the OL, it’s not about Goff.
This is my point. Every single thing Goff does is magnified because everything looks so awful so he looks worse. Make no mistake, Goff isn't playing as well as we know he can. But holy shit, there is no way he can do much with what he's given with an inconsistent front, play calling and running game. Narratives have always been the story with Goff. He's never the reason why we win, but always the reason we lose. He was a bust his first year, but not a bust his second year because McVay did everything for him and called audibles into his ear before 15 seconds. Lol but if he turns it around or plays better next year, I wonder what excuse people will have then. Goff is literally bailing out everyone who trashes him, because they get to ignore all his amazing throws and magnify his awful ones. I want him to play better, but within reason. And right now there is nothing reasonable about what I've seen from the offensive line and play calling from McVay.


So tired of hearing the offensive line is source of all the problems ...

I'm sorry, coaches have to be able to adjust. McVay still wants to continually attack the field in the intermediate areas despite a lack of time to throw those routes.

Use a freakin' short passing game to set that stuff up. We have two very capable tight ends. I have an idea - how about run the ball out of the shotgun. We do this 4% of the time. 4%!

I watched teams attack our defense, which has had a strong pass rush for the last decade, with short passes over and over and over, with some success.

This offense is mind blowingly predictable. McVay needs a play caller to take over for him, so he can actually manage the team.

This, 100% so f*cking much. Don't get me wrong, I love our head coach, and I disagree we need someone making our play calls other than himself. But my lord, I literally watched Seattle do what we have refused to do against the Niners. Misdirection, changing the launch point, roll outs, quick throws and running the ball within reason. We all know Goff can make those intermediate throws, but its no secret he's not great under pressure. So giving a hostile work environment is guaranteed to make him look a lot worse than he actually is. We do not have the personnel to run the current offense, we screwed up. So we have to adapt. This next game is going to be very telling if McVay goes out there and completely wets the bed again. Again! Goff needs to stop missing guys for sure. But McVay needs to do a better job giving him somewhere to go with the ball quick rather than waiting for intermediate routes to develop.
 

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Goffs attitude isnt the problem.
Sorry some of you want a cheerleader/Brady meets Vick QB but I guess the unrealistic heart wants what the heart wants....

All I want is for a better O line and some better schematic adjustments.

I love our tough, talented young QB.
No amount of these threads are going to convince me that the problems I am seeing are on Goff.

He needs to keep getting better. If he survives, he will.

Anybody who has lived and died with this team for longer than 3 seasons knows that when you FINALLY find a tough, talented passer with a #1 arm, you don't panic and try to start a stupid fucking movement to bang the drums for a rebuild.

Sorry, this season is hard enough to watch but reading about it is even worse.

A few weeks ago Kirk Cousins was nearly benched. But I guess some of y'all think he would be an improvement over Goff because he is playing better RIGHT NOW and Goff sucks because he can't "put the team on his back" and win on his own with no line, no run threat and no #1 WR and end zone threat. Yeah makes perfect sense.
 

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Goffs attitude isnt the problem.
Sorry some of you want a cheerleader/Brady meets Vick QB but I guess the unrealistic heart wants what the heart wants....

All I want is for a better O line and some better schematic adjustments.

I love our tough, talented young QB.
No amount of these threads are going to convince me that the problems I am seeing are on Goff.

He needs to keep getting better. If he survives, he will.

Anybody who has lived and died with this team for longer than 3 seasons knows that when you FINALLY find a tough, talented passer with a #1 arm, you don't panic and try to start a stupid fucking movement to bang the drums for a rebuild.

Sorry, this season is hard enough to watch but reading about it is even worse.

A few weeks ago Kirk Cousins was nearly benched. But I guess some of y'all think he would be an improvement over Goff because he is playing better RIGHT NOW and Goff sucks because he can't "put the team on his back" and win on his own with no line, no run threat and no #1 WR and end zone threat. Yeah makes perfect sense.
Great point about Kirk Cousins.

And 1, Derrick Carr was the butt of everyone's joke last year despite passing for over 4000 yards, and the Raiders are actually above .500 this year. Now its "What have the Raiders done to help Derrick Carr this year". He's literally the same guy, the difference? He was literally sacked a whole fuck ton last year. Goff only has about 16 sacks, but that's only because he's attempting to make plays despite being under constant duress. Which means more turnovers, less sacks from holding the ball. Incompletion's drive his percentage into the tank. I almost wish he would just take the sack at times.
 

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This is my point. Every single thing Goff does is magnified because everything looks so awful so he looks worse. Make no mistake, Goff isn't playing as well as we know he can. But holy shit, there is no way he can do much with what he's given with an inconsistent front, play calling and running game. Narratives have always been the story with Goff. He's never the reason why we win, but always the reason we lose. He was a bust his first year, but not a bust his second year because McVay did everything for him and called audibles into his ear before 15 seconds. Lol but if he turns it around or plays better next year, I wonder what excuse people will have then. Goff is literally bailing out everyone who trashes him, because they get to ignore all his amazing throws and magnify his awful ones. I want him to play better, but within reason. And right now there is nothing reasonable about what I've seen from the offensive line and play calling from McVay.




This, 100% so f*cking much. Don't get me wrong, I love our head coach, and I disagree we need someone making our play calls other than himself. But my lord, I literally watched Seattle do what we have refused to do against the Niners. Misdirection, changing the launch point, roll outs, quick throws and running the ball within reason. We all know Goff can make those intermediate throws, but its no secret he's not great under pressure. So giving a hostile work environment is guaranteed to make him look a lot worse than he actually is. We do not have the personnel to run the current offense, we screwed up. So we have to adapt. This next game is going to be very telling if McVay goes out there and completely wets the bed again. Again! Goff needs to stop missing guys for sure. But McVay needs to do a better job giving him somewhere to go with the ball quick rather than waiting for intermediate routes to develop.
Great points on McVay and needing to adapt.

I have quite literally NEVER posted anything critical of Mr. Boy Wonder Franchise Savior Photographic Memory Supermodel Shagger McVay.

However...

Even I gotta admit I’ve been disappointed with his play calling recently. OK, so our OL sucks now. Where is the game plan that uses (as you said) rollouts, quick passes, misdirection screens, and emphasis on the run? What happened to McVay’s ability to adapt???
 

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Great points on McVay and needing to adapt.

I have quite literally NEVER posted anything critical of Mr. Boy Wonder Franchise Savior Photographic Memory Supermodel Shagger McVay.

However...

Even I gotta admit I’ve been disappointed with his play calling recently. OK, so our OL sucks now. Where is the game plan that uses (as you said) rollouts, quick passes, misdirection screens, and emphasis on the run? What happened to McVay’s ability to adapt???
I read an article once, and o believe it was here, that another coach said McVay is not a great play designer but he is a great play optimizer. He takes other people's plays and makes them better. If that's true, then now that people know those plays he needs new material but he can't generate it alone. If that was true he'd be stuck, which is what we do see now.

Furthermore, I think McVay had a lot of success based on patterns and predictability. We saw this with the jet sweep. He introduced jet sweep to his offense, it was new (for us) so it caught teams of guard and had great success. But he only did that long enough to make it a key for the defense: see jet motion, be prepared to follow it. That's when he hit them with the real move, fake jet sweep. Now we run fake jet sweep at least 2:1 compared to an actual jet sweep. And it worked great. But teams caught onto that now too. And McVay doesn't have another move in that chain. So he keeps running a ton of fake jet sweep, it doesn't work like it did before and the offense is less effective.

Another less specific example is the first quarter or two of play the last couple of years. He had some new stuff and we had a high powered offense that scored all game, but the first 2 years 3rd quarter was where the bulk of our points came from. In quarters 1 and 2 we'd see weird plays or weird strings of plays and after a while even we knew what was up. He was testing to see how the team reacted to formations or strings of plays/formations. Then he'd adjust over half time and kill them in the third and close it down in the fourth. But I believe he had patterns based on a "normal" teams tendencies. Most teams go a, b, c, d. So McVay developed a pattern of a, b, ç, $ and wrecked everyone. But now he goes a, b, ç, $ a few times a game and the defenses know it.

Now that people have caught onto the new patterns and limited their own predictability, McVay has to run a normal offense. Normal offense isn't his strong suit and it's less effective than what he did the last two seasons.

I don't think anyone can argue that his play calling had become predictable. At this point we've established that an incomplete pass on first down inevitably lead to a run up the gut on second (big thanks to my father for pointing that out to me). Somebody else mentioned a this down pass short to the sticks to follow that but I haven't watched a game since reading it. Did sound right though. He had patterns that weren't normal for the NFL and that have him some success early. But now that every team is preparing for is like we're somebody, it's not enough.

IMO, he needs to bring in a high quality play designer to help him out. Either from another NFL staff or college. But he needs somebody generating new material for him to improve on.
 

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For me, one of the things I wish Goff would do is play with fire in his belly. Be more of a vocal leader. He's so boring. I swear sometimes players put forth great effort so they will be spoken of as "even keeled" or "under control and never rattled" ...

Jeez man! Get out there and show some damn emotion! Get mad. Get excited. Get pissed off sometimes. Don't be "it's all business" ... just enjoy the game and kick some butt.

In a nut shell, I'm never excited to see him play. His low key demeanor even when he makes some stupid play that hurts the Rams (strip sacks, throwing into quadruple coverage) .... bothers me. At least get pissed when you continually make the same mistake.

Show some emotion out there! There's nothing quite as fun as having a QB that cares and leads by showing he cares.

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Exactly why I love Phillip River. Goff is the complete opposite of him. I’m s quite frustrating to me as a Ram fan but I guess I have to live with it.

Sam Bradford used to strike me much the same way. But to be honest, even Sam Bradford had a stronger flame lit than Goff does.

players seem to love him though. Too bad we can’t be in the huddle for a game to see how he is in there.
 

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For his cost, we can’t keep him if he’s not able to deal with a bad line. That’s the reality. Few can handle this line but he’s been awful.

at that price tag, if he’s not a guy that can extend a play with his feet, we need to let him go and build a line.
 

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Great points on McVay and needing to adapt.

I have quite literally NEVER posted anything critical of Mr. Boy Wonder Franchise Savior Photographic Memory Supermodel Shagger McVay.

However...

Even I gotta admit I’ve been disappointed with his play calling recently. OK, so our OL sucks now. Where is the game plan that uses (as you said) rollouts, quick passes, misdirection screens, and emphasis on the run? What happened to McVay’s ability to adapt???

A perfect example is in Pittsburgh last week . I unfortunately have to watch the Steelers every week where I live . Before the game I posted the way to beat their defense is to run right at them and use the TE's in the middle of the field . No im not looking for a job but i do know a little about the game. That's how everyone else moves the ball against them . Their defense is too fast to run wide on and passes to the outside won't work . Early in the game Gurley was making good yardage up the gut and late in the game Everett was open over the middle time after time . 3 to 5 step drop back and take the 8 yard gain and RAC. How about a middle screen once in awhile ? The Steelers were all over the flat passes to Gurley even if he would've caught them . Again , I don't claim to know the answers to their problems, but the eye test tells me what they are doing won't work . With 2 weeks to prepare and scoring 3 points tells me that everyone is on to the Rams , so how about some in game adjustments .Reminds me of another game not too long ago that ended the year on a pitiful 3 point effort .
 

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the issue is the offense as a whole not just Goff. the Rams offense lacks the rhythm and confidence of last year. if they had any rhythm and confidence the necessary level of consistency would result. The offense doesn’t need to carry this team but they do need to be much more consistent. The Rams could’ve been 8-1 this year if the offense was just more consistent. With the TB being the result of a complete failure of the defense.
 

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Today for the Bears game I suggest the Rams run, run and the run it again from the very first play. Different kinds of run plays is fine. Even an occasional instant wide receiver screen pass. But run it and watch what happens and don't give up early.

If it was my decision, I would literally run the ball the first 10 plays in a row from scrimmage (a well scripted variety of different runs) NO MATTER how much yardage we gain from those 10 runs. JUST to be able to see what happens, and to screw with the minds of the Bears defense.

I feel we need to be very run heavy today EVEN IF our o-line is not very good. It has to be tried. We have to be different than our usual selves.
 

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I read an article once, and o believe it was here, that another coach said McVay is not a great play designer but he is a great play optimizer. He takes other people's plays and makes them better. If that's true, then now that people know those plays he needs new material but he can't generate it alone. If that was true he'd be stuck, which is what we do see now.
If your analysis is correct the Rams will eventually hit rock bottom and McVay will be fired.
 

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If your analysis is correct the Rams will eventually hit rock bottom and McVay will be fired.
Or he could learn. Might take a while, but he could learn. In addition, he could bring in someone to generate me material for him to work off of. Poach someone from Andy Reid's staff and figure out how they build that culture of new play creation. Bring in a regular OC that knows how to run a regular offense and marry that to his ability to see counter patterns. It's not like he hasn't been trying to bring in New people on offense. He's just been turned down by a few.
 

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I remember getting grilled by everyone for saying Goff is bad. I want some apologies.
 

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I’m done making excuses for this guy. He looks like another Sam Bradford sunken cost fraud QB. Guy can’t hit wide open guys.