Jackson requests trade from Ravens

[Elmgrovegnome]

Shhhh you’re ruining the brainless stigma people who don’t watch other teams! He only runs the ball and throws it twice a game!

Read Merlin’s post above yours. He explains Jackson’s inadequacies very well.

He’s basically Kaepernick 2.0, just a bit better but with definite limitations.

 

[dieterbrock]

I dont want him on the Rams but he is damn sure better than a lot of people are giving him credit for.
Sure is better than Daniel Jones or Geno Smith

 

[So Ram]

Read Merlin’s post above yours. He explains Jackson’s inadequacies very well.

He’s basically Kaepernick 2.0, just a bit better but with definite limitations.

WOW - what great football knowledge.No wonder Merlin is a Legend. Pour me another beer please the dry rub please for my bbq.

 

[OldSchool]

I dont want him on the Rams but he is damn sure better than a lot of people are giving him credit for.
Sure is better than Daniel Jones or Geno Smith

He sure is and he's more injury prone, by far, than both of those guys.

 

[Gandalf]

He has a risky style of playing and has missed the last few games in the last two seasons.

 

[oldnotdead]

Teams need QBs that are pocket passers with the ability to run, not running QBs who can throw. IMO this RPO trend is like the run and gun phase the NFL went through and it keeps coming back to the QB who can play in the pocket. Mahomes is exactly what I'm talking about. He's a pocket passer that can run when things break down. That's why Penix will have a great career if he can stay healthy. He's a pocket passer who can run when things break down.

The problem with Lamar is his greed. He wants a fully guaranteed contract. I'd tell him fine but not at the number he expects. Fully guaranteed contracts like Murray's cripple a team's ability to built the team you need around them. Jackson rejected a fully guaranteed 3 year deal for $133M = $44.3M / year which IMO is more than fair for what his play reflects. But Jackson's ego will never get him a SB ring because to pay him what he wants ($50M/yr fully guaranteed) they won't have enough to keep muchless build a team around him. Because he's his own agent he didn't understand that what the Raven's offered was a fair deal. The deal offered him is more than Patrick Mahomes yearly average. Mahomes understands his success is dependent upon the team around him.

Someone needs to slap Lamar back to reality. He's good but he's not better than Mahomes. What he's doing also shows he's not as smart as Mahomes.

 

[dang]

He has a risky style of playing and has missed the last few games in the last two seasons.

You mean like Kyler Murray?

 

[Tano]

Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray are perfect examples of QBs that are really good as long as they are healthy.

However, once they play 3 to 5 years, the hits to their hamstrings start to add up and their injuries to their hamstrings start popping up at a much more frequent rate. And both QBs are not pocket passers. They need to move around to make things happen.

I just want to add my thoughts about Josh Allen since we are on the subject of QBs that run.

Josh Allen is a pocket passer who runs when things break down. His issue is that sometimes he takes huge risks in running and I am worried that he is going to have one big injury to his legs that will greatly hamper his ability to run. Plus he is much more likely to take a bad hit to his throwing arm the way he scrambles. He was not the same last year after the Jets game and that hit he took to his arm.

 

[Merlin]

He sure is and he's more injury prone, by far, than both of those guys.

Which matters a great deal when you're talking about that kind of money and him insisting on fully guaranteed. The guy has special attributes for sure but when they're not the best attributes for winning titles and there is significant greed at play I think it is wise to steer clear.

Feels like whatever team pays him will be looking like shit a couple years into that contract with no way out of it. But we'll see how it plays out of course. I mean who knows, maybe he runs for a million yards and/or proves what a great passer he can be over the next few seasons and wins multiple titles.

 

[CGI_Ram]

His issue is that sometimes he takes huge risks in running and I am worried that he is going to have one big injury to his legs that will greatly hamper his ability to run. Plus he is much more likely to take a bad hit to his throwing arm the way he scrambles. He was not the same last year after the Jets game and that hit he took to his arm.

If I were to pick apart Allen’s game it would be this.

He takes some big boy hits sometimes and those will be harder to fluff off as he ages.

 

[dang]

If I were to pick apart Allen’s game it would be this.

He takes some big boy hits sometimes and those will be harder to fluff off as he ages.

And each time he takes a big boy hit he comes up swinging like he’s trying to prove he’s the toughest guy on the field. That mentality is what will eventually get him hurt. He plays tough but not smart (at least not yet).

 

[PhillyRam]

I dont want him on the Rams but he is damn sure better than a lot of people are giving him credit for.
Sure is better than Daniel Jones or Geno Smith

Problem is with Jackson you not only have to trade for him, but he wants $250M, and he plays a risky style of play that has gotten him hurt the last few yrs and his best season was 4 yrs ago.

 

[So Ram]

If I were to pick apart Allen’s game it would be this.

He takes some big boy hits sometimes and those will be harder to fluff off as he ages.

All I know is I’m watching a little Hard Knocks & thinking how humble Jared Goff is & that #6 pick overall could be used for The Best LT in 2023 draft.
I guess $57 million isn’t helping The Rams cause this offseason.Montgomery is a nice backup RB with Swift.
—Looking at how The Rams can get a Top LT/RT swing to develop & at least give hope for building of the future.As a Long Time Rams Fan,IMO it’s time for change.Still Stafford is The Man!!
Can’t look at other teams QB’s.Noteboom we have to believe in.

 

[dieterbrock]

Problem is with Jackson you not only have to trade for him, but he wants $250M, and he plays a risky style of play that has gotten him hurt the last few yrs and his best season was 4 yrs ago.

I get that, but that's a different discussion. I said that I'm not interested in him being on our team, but I see talk of his play and comparisons to say Colin Kapernick and its laughable. He's a tremendous football player and has done more with less talent than many QB's. I surely agree his injury history makes his demands silly but I dont agree with those who disparage his level of play as well

 

[Corbin]

Ravens' last 5 seasons:

2018: 10-6 Lost Wildcard
2019: 14-2 Lost Divisional (Jackson won MVP)
2020: 11-5 Lost Divisional
2021: 8-9
2022: 10-7 Lost Wildcard

Jackson's best season, when his legs were young and fresh, he led them to 14 wins, won the MVP, and got dropped in the divisional round. That was his ceiling IMO. Just like a RB he was at his best when he was at his athletic peak.

Paying him now would be stupid. Because he has not transitioned into pocket survival and reading and seeing and anticipating. He's still executing schemed big plays and using his run threat to survive.

But the universal truth in the NFL is some team will be stupid. The Ravens will get some picks for him and move on by drafting his replacement and might even get a higher ceiling in the exchange after a year or so. And the team that trades for him will be stuck with a grossly overpaid RB who can throw the ball.

Read Merlin’s post above yours. He explains Jackson’s inadequacies very well.

He’s basically Kaepernick 2.0, just a bit better but with definite limitations.

I don’t agree with either one of your takes respectfully regarding Lamar Jackson by any means (Which is rare because I usually do! Lol ) outside of him seeking a fully guaranteed contract which is Ludacris.

Krapondick is a poor example of a comparison as Krapondick was the new pistol scheme fad that took a bit to solve and when it was solved he had to to rely on his throwing ability and he’s never been an accurate QB in an NFL system, (58.2 percent in college, NFL 59.8 %), whereas Lamar Jackson has a higher passing percentage than our own Matthew Stafford, Joe Montana, Josh Allen, and Marc Bulger to give you an idea of how high his completion % is.

He is absolutely not a run first QB, he has accuracy and has a good arm, problem is he plays in a run first Harbaugh offense with little support (weapons) at times.

To add to that he has to run (almost double what Krapondick did in the same 5 years.) because his problem is he has a slow processor and doesn’t process as fast as Patrick Mahomes for instance.

Ps his TD to Int ratio is 101 TD’s to 38 INT’s, higher than a 2.65 ratio. Which is pretty good for a so called running QB wouldn’t you say?

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I don’t agree with either one of your takes respectfully regarding Lamar Jackson by any means (Which is rare because I usually do! Lol ) outside of him seeking a fully guaranteed contract which is Ludacris.

Krapondick is a poor example of a comparison as Krapondick was the new pistol scheme fad that took a bit to solve and when it was solved he had to to rely on his throwing ability and he’s never been an accurate QB in an NFL system, (58.2 percent in college, NFL 59.8 %), whereas Lamar Jackson has a higher passing percentage than our own Matthew Stafford, Joe Montana, Josh Allen, and Marc Bulger to give you an idea of how high his completion % is.

He is absolutely not a run first QB, he has accuracy and has a good arm, problem is he plays in a run first Harbaugh offense with little support (weapons) at times.

To add to that he has to run (almost double what Krapondick did in the same 5 years.) because his problem is he has a slow processor and doesn’t process as fast as Patrick Mahomes for instance.

Ps his TD to Int ratio is 101 TD’s to 38 INT’s, higher than a 2.65 ratio. Which is pretty good for a so called running QB wouldn’t you say?

My point is one that you mentioned. He’s got a slow processor. Kaepernick did too. That’s why Greg Roman was brought in. He simplifies the game for running QBs who have trouble making all of his reads.

In San Francisco Roman cut the reads down to half field reads. Lamar may have a better arm but is really that much better mentally?

 

[dieterbrock]

My point is one that you mentioned. He’s got a slow processor. Kaepernick did too. That’s why Greg Roman was brought in. He simplifies the game for running QBs who have trouble making all of his reads.

In San Francisco Roman cut the reads down to half field reads. Lamar may have a better arm but is really that much better mentally?

And Baltimore cut ties with Roman because he wasnt utilizing LJ abilities fully. So he may have put a band aid on Kaep, Ravens think he put handcuffs on LJ. I dont know how one can criticize his processing when the gaggle of WR arent getting open. The Ravens WR core make the 2009-2015 Rams look like Pro Bowl roster

 

[Merlin]

And Baltimore cut ties with Roman because he wasnt utilizing LJ abilities fully. So he may have put a band aid on Kaep, Ravens think he put handcuffs on LJ. I dont know how one can criticize his processing when the gaggle of WR arent getting open. The Ravens WR core make the 2009-2015 Rams look like Pro Bowl roster

Yes that is their stance on it. But notice they have not inked him and in fact things don't look good. So how much do they believe in him. Or do they not believe in him and are hoping someone gives them 2 first round picks to reload at QB.

People have his MVP season on their minds way too much IMO. That season was unbelievable even considering that he's a run-threat QB that opens things up that route. But how many of those does he have left in him, if any. Plus the contract demands...

Gonna be fun to see who pays him and what the return is.

 

[Merlin]

Ps his TD to Int ratio is 101 TD’s to 38 INT’s, higher than a 2.65 ratio. Which is pretty good for a so called running QB wouldn’t you say?

With that dude in the offensive backfield opposing LBs cannot drop too deep which definitely is a big advantage to the offense that has him at QB. But at some point you're gonna see defenses in the playoffs that can contain him or remove his weapons even with that disadvantage and he'll make his annual exit.

I don't get why it's so hard to grasp that the guy is a good QB but his limits keep him from being worth what he wants to be paid. I'm not saying the guy is shit. But that MVP season has skewed the way he's viewed IMO and if some team pays him at that rate they're gonna regret it.

 

[Corbin]

My point is one that you mentioned. He’s got a slow processor. Kaepernick did too. That’s why Greg Roman was brought in. He simplifies the game for running QBs who have trouble making all of his reads.

In San Francisco Roman cut the reads down to half field reads. Lamar may have a better arm but is really that much better mentally?

That’s exactly why I don’t consider him an elite QB because he has a lot of special tools and skill sets but he’s certainly not a Krapondick!

And Baltimore cut ties with Roman because he wasnt utilizing LJ abilities fully. So he may have put a band aid on Kaep, Ravens think he put handcuffs on LJ. I dont know how one can criticize his processing when the gaggle of WR arent getting open. The Ravens WR core make the 2009-2015 Rams look like Pro Bowl roster

Hey, hey, hey! Never have the Rams 2009-2015 WR groups and the the word Pro Bowl ever be in the same sentence!

Ps I just looked up some of those WR cores

Donnie Avery
Laurent Robinson
Mark Clayton

And this made me laugh seeing Billy Bajemas name! lmao

Yes that is their stance on it. But notice they have not inked him and in fact things don't look good. So how much do they believe in him. Or do they not believe in him and are hoping someone gives them 2 first round picks to reload at QB.

People have his MVP season on their minds way too much IMO. That season was unbelievable even considering that he's a run-threat QB that opens things up that route. But how many of those does he have left in him, if any. Plus the contract demands...

Gonna be fun to see who pays him and what the return is.

The reason they haven’t inked him is someone gave him the idiotic idea that since the Browns pulled the Browns in signing DeShaun Crosby that he should get a fully guaranteed contract to. That’s literally the only reason why he hasn’t been signed yet, even not having an agent didn’t prevent that part!

Dude isn’t Payton Manning and he needs parts around him but he is the engine that can get a team into a Super Bowl and possibly win it.

With that dude in the offensive backfield opposing LBs cannot drop too deep which definitely is a big advantage to the offense that has him at QB. But at some point you're gonna see defenses in the playoffs that can contain him or remove his weapons even with that disadvantage and he'll make his annual exit.

I don't get why it's so hard to grasp that the guy is a good QB but his limits keep him from being worth what he wants to be paid. I'm not saying the guy is shit. But that MVP season has skewed the way he's viewed IMO and if some team pays him at that rate they're gonna regret it.

This isn’t a debate about what he’s wanting to be paid which is stupid asf it’s more about he’s not the cliche ‘running QB’ or ‘Krapondick’ that a lot make him out to be. He’s a pretty decent QB and the numbers prove that.