It’s time to right a wrong!

[gogoat1]

I all my life of watching Rams quarterbacks, no one instilled "trust" when they went back and planted that rear leg on a 3 step, 5 step or even 7 step drop and released the ball on time as #13. Something good always happened.
Never in my life have I seen so many 3rd and 19, third and 21s completed.
Yes it all went bad with his wife. But the simple truth of the matter is the Rams should have let Warner sit and heal. Played Bulger until he could leave in free agency and put 13 back where he belonged, under center in the dome. Martz had plenty of blame also, he thought it was about him and he could make any QB a All Pro. And that was partially true, but Kurt was special.

 

[nighttrain]

I all my life of watching Rams quarterbacks, no one instilled "trust" when they went back and planted that rear leg on a 3 step, 5 step or even 7 step drop and released the ball on time as #13. Something good always happened.
Never in my life have I seen so many 3rd and 19, third and 21s completed.
Yes it all went bad with his wife. But the simple truth of the matter is the Rams should have let Warner sit and heal. Played Bulger until he could leave in free agency and put 13 back where he belonged, under center in the dome. Martz had plenty of blame also, he thought it was about him and he could make any QB a All Pro. And that was partially true, but Kurt was special.

Exactly!!!!!
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[badnews]

All I know is 99 is the Rams lucky number

 

[Mister Sin]

i always laugh when people say any qb could have done what kurt did in that team.

so many laughs at the bulger fanboys back in the day.

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I respectfully disagree. Green finished about 4k less yards than Warner and played for far worse teams with far less talent. Warner threw i think 40ish more TDs as well. Basically he finished with what we would consider today a "damn good season" ahead of him. I think Trent and Kurt were very similar in their play style. And that Trent really could have equalled what Kurt did. We will never know, but he certainly had the talent.

As far as Bulger, I assume you were one of the haters. Bulger had a great 2006. He was a solid QB. Never great. Only better than average for a short while. Anyone who think Bulger is on Kurt's level is delusional. But, I did like him. He just had to hand that fucker off to SJ39.

 

[Mister Sin]

I all my life of watching Rams quarterbacks, no one instilled "trust" when they went back and planted that rear leg on a 3 step, 5 step or even 7 step drop and released the ball on time as #13. Something good always happened.
Never in my life have I seen so many 3rd and 19, third and 21s completed.
Yes it all went bad with his wife. But the simple truth of the matter is the Rams should have let Warner sit and heal. Played Bulger until he could leave in free agency and put 13 back where he belonged, under center in the dome. Martz had plenty of blame also, he thought it was about him and he could make any QB a All Pro. And that was partially true, but Kurt was special.

I actually completely agree with this. Warner was great. But, I think the relationship is fractured beyond immediate repair. But, one day, maybe. I like the scenario you presented. It would have kept our guy here and saved debates like this. Martz was a big problem. Great offensive mind, but needed someone capable of yaking on his leash and smacking him with a rolled up newspaper.

I don't think anyone could deny how great he was for us. For me, its more of the way he seems to hate the Rams. How he is ride or die for the Cards as if he won his MVPs and Championship with them.

 

[kurtfaulk]

I respectfully disagree. Green finished about 4k less yards than Warner and played for far worse teams with far less talent. Warner threw i think 40ish more TDs as well. Basically he finished with what we would consider today a "damn good season" ahead of him. I think Trent and Kurt were very similar in their play style. And that Trent really could have equalled what Kurt did. We will never know, but he certainly had the talent.

we saw green play in that offense for a few games in the 2000 season. while he played well the offense didn't look the same as it did as when kurt was in there.

As far as Bulger, I assume you were one of the haters. Bulger had a great 2006. He was a solid QB. Never great. Only better than average for a short while. Anyone who think Bulger is on Kurt's level is delusional. But, I did like him. He just had to hand that fucker off to SJ39.

yes, he was a solid qb, not great. that's why i said it was funny when the fanboys said he could have done what kurt did in 99-01. if they weren't trolling they were seriously delusional people. i didn't get the sense they were trolling though.

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[Tano]

Just so everyone knows - Warner's hand was so messed up that he couldn't grip the ball anymore. He was done until......

They invented a glove specifically for Warner that he could grip the ball and become a great QB again for the Cardinals.

I never was against Warner. I just knew he was done from that injury. I didn't think he would ever be able to grip the ball properly again.

That glove was a miracle worker for Warner.

 

[tempests]

Kurt was the ringmaster of the Greatest Show On Turf. If the Rams want to honour him I'm all for it. Just wish they would've done it before they left St. Louis.

If he does have any lingering bitterness the franchise reaching out to him could make that water under the bridge. He's always going to have a connection to the Cardinals, though, without his accomplishments with them he doesn't get into the Hall, IMO.

 

[tempests]

we saw green play in that offense for a few games in the 2000 season. while he played well the offense didn't look the same as it did as when kurt was in there.

I think Faulk was out for a couple games there too. But Trent took too many sacks. Wasn't as quick and decisive as Kurt with his decision making.

 

[gogoat1]

I actually completely agree with this. Warner was great. But, I think the relationship is fractured beyond immediate repair. But, one day, maybe. I like the scenario you presented. It would have kept our guy here and saved debates like this. Martz was a big problem. Great offensive mind, but needed someone capable of yaking on his leash and smacking him with a rolled up newspaper.

I don't think anyone could deny how great he was for us. For me, its more of the way he seems to hate the Rams. How he is ride or die for the Cards as if he won his MVPs and Championship with them.

Just think of where Kurt was in his mind. Undrafted, lowly player takes a ride on a rocket ship straight up to the top of his profession with all the attention, money and accolades that brings. Then he suffers a injury the Rams want to hide and his career goes down a deep well. The very man that made him, turned on him. The Rams dumped him and he went through more troubles in the intense Big Apple.
And Arizona saved him. Brought his head back up. You might be loyal to them also, I would be.
And do not tell me you were not rooting for him against Pittsburgh, we all were.
He does give the Rams some love now and then. More when Marshal was on the show. But you do realize when he is doing one of his bits on NFL Network there are RAMs helmets and RAMS jerseys with #13 on them in the back round ? You think that would be the case if he, the player did not want it that way ?? He splits his love, and Arizona is a lot better place to live and retire than St Louis.
I can not crack on the GREAT Kurt Warner. He gave us something no other Rams QB ever has, I will always love him for that.

And yes, I am pained to say our current coach sometimes needs whacked with a wet newspaper today (In Miami)
Still no other current coach I would rather have, he is smarter than Martz, and Martz was really smart.

 

[Merlin]

I all my life of watching Rams quarterbacks, no one instilled "trust" when they went back and planted that rear leg on a 3 step, 5 step or even 7 step drop and released the ball on time as #13. Something good always happened.
Never in my life have I seen so many 3rd and 19, third and 21s completed.
Yes it all went bad with his wife. But the simple truth of the matter is the Rams should have let Warner sit and heal. Played Bulger until he could leave in free agency and put 13 back where he belonged, under center in the dome. Martz had plenty of blame also, he thought it was about him and he could make any QB a All Pro. And that was partially true, but Kurt was special.

I agree. It will always kill me how the Rams as an organization handled Warner. And he isn't the only one I feel that way about. The entire regime under Georgia was hot garbage.

And I'm with OS on this for sure. In fact I'd think all Rams Hall of Fame players regardless of where they played should be in our ring of honor.

 

[Ramlock]

Deacon
Merlin
Waterfield
Warner
Faulk
Bruce
The Rambassador
Youngblood
Hirsch
Fears
Van Brocklin

there’s your Ring in SoFi

 

[Loyal]

I've got really mixed feelings on this one.

On one hand, I do wish Warner would get over his anti-Ram grudge. The Rams are the ones that ultimately gave him his big chance and compensated him accordingly when he made the most of it. And it's the team with which he actually got his ring. Furthermore, it's not the same people running the team when he left, so why the continued butthurt?

On the flip-side though, I still remember very vividly how quickly and viciously Rams fans turned against him when things started to go south while giving Martz a pass for a few years after. Yet it was Martz who got Warner killed time and time again, putting him on an island against unblocked rusher and exposing him to hit after hit until the inevitable injury occurred - even moreso in a case like his where he's got mobility commensurate with a pocket QB and also had the guts to hang in there and take a hit. Yet Martz got a pass for his fuckups vis a vis Warner for a couple of years after Kurt was gone. If there's anyone Kurt should hold a grudge against, it's Martz.

However, most of that was his playing days....Deacon Jones and old LA Rams never felt welcome in St Louis, mostly due to Georgia Frontierre and Shaw There have been a couple of events welcoming St Louis and old LA Rams players to preseason events, and it was great to see DMarco Farr, SJAX, Dickerson, Youngblood wandering around together.

Kurt was nowhere to be seen. Eff him.

 

[Alaskan Ram]

Warner would have been Bulgerized if he'd have stayed with the Rams.

 

[thirteen28]

However, most of that was his playing days....Deacon Jones and old LA Rams never felt welcome in St Louis, mostly due to Georgia Frontierre and Shaw There have been a couple of events welcoming St Louis and old LA Rams players to preseason events, and it was great to see DMarco Farr, SJAX, Dickerson, Youngblood wandering around together.

Kurt was nowhere to be seen. Eff him.

Well, like I say, I see your side of the argument. I see the other side as well.

Maybe as someone else suggested, the franchise should reach out to him to make amends. Whorgia, Shaw, Martz, etc. are all gone and I'm not sure if there is anyone in the organization there now who was with them during Warner's time. He either needs to drop his grudge or at least direct it to where it should be.

 

[Loyal]

Warner would have been Bulgerized if he'd have stayed with the Rams.

That isn't the point for me. I didn't blame him for plying for other teams after the Rams....But to be butthurt after your career is over, ignoring the team that gave you your chance, to whom he was so thankful in 1999, now he can't even show up to a Rams practice unless he gets paids to do it by NFLN?

 

[Mister Sin]

Deacon
Merlin
Waterfield
Warner
Faulk
Bruce
The Rambassador
Youngblood
Hirsch
Fears
Van Brocklin

there’s your Ring in SoFi

You're leaving Holt off? No way

 

[Loyal]

*flexes feline GUNS!

Kitty, do you even lift?