Is anyone NOT good with either QB?

[Corbin]

You guys do realize that Wentz is more Pro ready than Goff right? Wentz played in a pro style system and called his own protections and audibles we'll just call the terminology something else. The biggest concern for Wentz is the difference in competition level but I'll think he'll do fine after a short adjustment period. ( similar to what Russell Wilson got his rookie year)

Goff on the other hand is going to be more of a project. Where as he's accurate as hell he'd be running a totally different offense than in college where he'll have to learn a lot more of the Pro Style than what he's used to in the spread along with scheme vs defense fit, D reads, protection reads etc.

Seems like a lot of people are getting confused who's more ready day one and that is Carson Wentz.

Not knocking Goff I love him and wouldn't mind him as our QB as well.

I'm so back and forth between the two. Lol

I will say I'm kinda iffy on a spread QB because of the bad taste of Bradford from the spread experiment.

 

[DaveFan'51]

Are you thinking of Thermopylae? those 300 died to the last man
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Isn't that in the nature of a 'Die Hard' to go down Fighting! And Yeah! I saw the Movie, and Loved it!! They all could have been good Marines!!

 

[nighttrain]

i was thinking of the last Sumari , Tom Cruise
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[TexasRam]

I have my own doubts about Wentz. I think the world of the guy but the NFL is separated by the QB's who can handle the Blitz by pocket awareness, movement in the pocket and quick processing and those who watch the punting unit trot on the field.

Wentz just hasn't been tested under duress enough to prove that he can handle it. He probably can and probably will learn how to, due to his work ethic and smarts but right now that area is largely unproven.

I'm rooting for the guy wherever he goes. He's a solid character with his head straight and grounded in faith.

Bradford is this regard was lacking. Poor pocket awareness and really raw vs the rush.

 

[Ramhusker]

To be honest, I was in the "pick Lynch and hit the WR spot hard in the draft" I was resolved that we would have Keenum as the starter until Mannion or Lynch could take over later in the season. But, after the trade, I got excited about the move up after looking at Wentz and Goff closer. I'm starting to believe that whoever the pick is will start sooner than later and maybe as soon as the first home game.

 

[nighttrain]

Goff certainly knows how to elude the rush
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[NateDawg122]

You guys do realize that Wentz is more Pro ready than Goff right? Wentz played in a pro style system and called his own protections and audibles we'll just call the terminology something else. The biggest concern for Wentz is the difference in competition level but I'll think he'll do fine after a short adjustment period. ( similar to what Russell Wilson got his rookie year)

Goff on the other hand is going to be more of a project. Where as he's accurate as hell he'd be running a totally different offense than in college where he'll have to learn a lot more of the Pro Style than what he's used to in the spread along with scheme vs defense fit, D reads, protection reads etc.

Seems like a lot of people are getting confused who's more ready day one and that is Carson Wentz.

Not knocking Goff I love him and wouldn't mind him as our QB as well.

I'm so back and forth between the two. Lol

I will say I'm kinda iffy on a spread QB because of the bad taste of Bradford from the spread experiment.

Bradford didn't fail because of his background in a spread offense. He failed because of injuries and because he was on a horrible offense.

I'm sorry but Goff is clearly more pro-ready than Wentz and most scouts would tell you the same. He was also in charge of everything along the LOS and taking snaps under center isn't a tough adjustment. He's much more polished in his mechanics and better at going through his progressions. It will take Wentz years to get his footwork to where Goff is now.

Also, Wentz walked into a winning situation and had a dominant team in college. Goff was a superstar on a very bad Cal team and he turned that program around. He's a beast when he's under pressure and that can't be stated enough. I think his transition to the NFL will be much quicker.

 

[jrry32]

You guys do realize that Wentz is more Pro ready than Goff right? Wentz played in a pro style system and called his own protections and audibles we'll just call the terminology something else.

Seems like a lot of people are getting confused who's more ready day one and that is Carson Wentz.

I am a little confused. I swear I heard this argument before but I can't remember where...

Oh right, it was back in 2010 when people were claiming that Jimmy Clausen was more pro ready than Bradford because Bradford played in a spread and Clausen played in a pro style offense.

 

[Merlin]

I am a Goff fan.If Wentz is selected I am a Wentz fan.

Well said tavian.

I want Goff simply due to his anticipation and accuracy. I know he can take this offense to where it needs to go. Rams will be able to spread the field and hammer Gurley into undermanned front 7s with great proficiency.

But you know I'm not going to knock Wentz and compare him to former busts and whatnot. He's a legit high end prospect in his own right through and through and if they take him I'm going to buy his jersey and be ready for that Steelers' type of offense that he fits so well.

Whichever guy they take I am ALL IN with. Just waiting to buy my jersey.

 

[Corbin]

Bradford didn't fail because of his background in a spread offense. He failed because of injuries and because he was on a horrible offense.

I'm sorry but Goff is clearly more pro-ready than Wentz and most scouts would tell you the same. He was also in charge of everything along the LOS and taking snaps under center isn't a tough adjustment. He's much more polished in his mechanics and better at going through his progressions. It will take Wentz years to get his footwork to where Goff is now.

Also, Wentz walked into a winning situation and had a dominant team in college. Goff was a superstar on a very bad Cal team and he turned that program around. He's a beast when he's under pressure and that can't be stated enough. I think his transition to the NFL will be much quicker.

So Bradford didn't have a problem with indecision and holding onto the ball to long? Did you seriously not watch any Rams games because the ones I did Bradford was absolutely horrid a lot of times. Yes, he went through multiple OC's and he did have a shitty offense to play with but the times they actually gave him time there was a lot of indecisiveness by him and delayed a throw 1-2 seconds and in the NFL that's ages for a DB to close a gap.

Ive seen multiple QB's that actually played the position that say that Wentz is more day one pro ready than Goff is due to the fact of the system they use. I'm sorry but a scout is like a recruiter who recruits computer programmers for a company but they aren't the actual programmer who knows first hand what the job entails by experience. Go to NFL.com and watch a vid with David Carr a former no1 pick describing why Wentz is more prepared day 1.

The fact you through in Wentz was on a powerhouse has little to do with anything from my original post. I didn't Say or use that for anything supporting Wentz ability's.

It's fine your in love with Goff and I am to, I'm not debating one over the other because of ability I honestly think both would do just fine with us. I just worry Goff is a spread QB and having a bad experience with that before.

 

[Corbin]

I am a little confused. I swear I heard this argument before but I can't remember where...

Oh right, it was back in 2010 when people were claiming that Jimmy Clausen was more pro ready than Bradford because Bradford played in a spread and Clausen played in a pro style offense.

That's what you get for listening to Mel Kiper Jr which is a complete waste of time!

 

[tahoe]

I just think Goff is and always has been slightly over rated... I think he will be good but not a star.

 

[LACHAMP46]

c'mon!?!? Seriously?

Now if Goff breaks in the first year....I'll be a lil pissed...Esp. if Wentz is tearing it up in Philly....

 

[jrry32]

That's what you get for listening to Mel Kiper Jr which is a complete waste of time!

It wasn't just Kiper. It was a lot of Rams fans. That's the danger of only looking at one piece of the puzzle and assuming you have the full picture.

 

[Corbin]

It wasn't just Kiper. It was a lot of Rams fans. That's the danger of only looking at one piece of the puzzle and assuming you have the full picture.

I would think those people aren't Rams fans anymore if you take my meaning.

 

[jrry32]

I would think those people aren't Rams fans anymore if you take my meaning.

Nope. Some still are. They are very intelligent people. Very good player evaluators. They just got it wrong. Happens to all of us. I was dead wrong about RGIII. I was dead wrong about Geno Smith. I was wrong about Bradford. Nobody is perfect.

But my point is that Wentz isn't automatically more pro ready because of the offense he plays in. There are so many factors that go into that determination. When one examines the totality of the circumstances, I think Goff is the more pro ready passer. He's more developed in the things that will make the biggest difference early on.

 

[Austin]

Nope. Some still are. They are very intelligent people. Very good player evaluators. They just got it wrong. Happens to all of us. I was dead wrong about RGIII. I was dead wrong about Geno Smith. I was wrong about Bradford. Nobody is perfect.

But my point is that Wentz isn't automatically more pro ready because of the offense he plays in. There are so many factors that go into that determination. When one examines the totality of the circumstances, I think Goff is the more pro ready passer. He's more developed in the things that will make the biggest difference early on.

To me, it seems like a lot of the guys that come up and say Wentz is perhaps more pro-ready are, in part, playing devil's advocate, and trying to find reasons to flip the narrative somewhat. And they're credible reasons, so it's not like the guys will come off sounding ridiculous. Ultimately, it's very difficult to predict who will transition more fluidly to the NFL... so many unguessable factors play in: scheme-fit, predisposition towards and prior experience with different required elements, teammates, coaching and coach-personality... etc. and on and on.

The thing that makes me think Goff is the safer transition is that his in-game processing speed, his footwork and pocket-awareness just pass the eye-test, and seem to indicate a guy that's able to adjust to what he sees. Wentz is a lot slower making progressions, and seems like the type that will try to do too much/fall back on what has worked for him in the past.

Ultimately, there's no knowing who will make the transition fastest. Too many factors, too many unknowns. There is a reason though that people watch Goff play and see something that approximates to a capable NFL quarterback, today.

 

[LesBaker]

Nope. Some still are. They are very intelligent people. Very good player evaluators. They just got it wrong. Happens to all of us. I was dead wrong about RGIII. I was dead wrong about Geno Smith. I was wrong about Bradford. Nobody is perfect.

But my point is that Wentz isn't automatically more pro ready because of the offense he plays in. There are so many factors that go into that determination. When one examines the totality of the circumstances, I think Goff is the more pro ready passer. He's more developed in the things that will make the biggest difference early on.

:deadhorse::banghead:

We are going in circles.

Circles I say!

 

[DB16]

I was happy with Bradford. I was happy with Case Keenum over Nick Foles. But with the LA Rams returning home, they need an explosive QB change. So I was happy with any adjustment.

Hated the Kaepernick talk, but then grew more into it. But I'm glad it didn't happen. Same thing with the RG3 talk. I was against Manziel. And now I want some Wentz. But I'll learn to love Goff, if he's the pick instead.

 

[A55VA6]

I just feel like Goff is the more sure thing. Wentz is a risk, imo. But I'll be fine with either one.