I'm proud/thankful McVay is HC/Snead GM

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I have to say, I'm proud and thankful that McVay is HC and Snead is GM.

There aren't many HCs or GMs I'd take over them, and I mean very few.

I think it all gets taken for granted how fast McVay turned this around, and how he continues to do more with in some cases less. And I think we take for granted the balls Snead has to make the bold move.

And with McVay, I like that the more he gets into this and more he matures as a coach he isn't afraid to cut the dead weight even as irrational it may seem. Him and Snead are both ballsy enough to admit mistake and move on.

I guess, I just wanted to start an threading showing appreciation for them, because I think we take it for granted.

Thank you McVay and Snead for all you do.
 

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I have to say, I'm proud and thankful that McVay is HC and Snead is GM.

There aren't many HCs or GMs I'd take over them, and I mean very few.
Totally agree.

I rarely criticize either and appreciate their aggressiveness. Crazy to think they couldn't make mistakes, just not realistic.

McVay is like that 14 year old brainiac that it is at MIT. He's going to blow a test now and again. Doesn't mean you boot him from the school...
 

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As much as I've seen people criticize McVay and Snead lately, I'm one to want to see continuity. Yeah, we can all question moves, game plans and the like, we are seeing very competitive football and I want to see what these football minds can do in the future.

Let's face it. We could have and HAVE done a lot worse in the past. I'm good with seeing what these guys can build. We've seen all too many quick triggers throughout the NFL and few have ever paid off.

It's fine to be critical, but let's not act like this last few years has been a torture from what we've experienced.

Some teams will catch a golden wildwind. I see us being in the hunt every year with this group.

Keep in mind also how many coordinators have been hired away from this young of a coach. It's unprecedented.

He will glean things from all of them and I feel be more rounded for it. Bellyfat wasn't who he is on his first go round. And cheating aside, you have to acknowledge his awareness on all phases of the game.

Keep this thing going and watch for true trends. We don't want to be the Browns, Chargers, Lions, etc... that always felt they could do better and didn't.
 

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I have to say, I'm proud and thankful that McVay is HC and Snead is GM.

There aren't many HCs or GMs I'd take over them, and I mean very few.

I think it all gets taken for granted how fast McVay turned this around, and how he continues to do more with in some cases less. And I think we take for granted the balls Snead has to make the bold move.

And with McVay, I like that the more he gets into this and more he matures as a coach he isn't afraid to cut the dead weight even as irrational it may seem. Him and Snead are both ballsy enough to admit mistake and move on.

I guess, I just wanted to start an threading showing appreciation for them, because I think we take it for granted.

Thank you McVay and Snead for all you do.
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As much as I've seen people criticize McVay and Snead lately, I'm one to want to see continuity. Yeah, we can all question moves, game plans and the like, we are seeing very competitive football and I want to see what these football minds can do in the future.

Let's face it. We could have and HAVE done a lot worse in the past. I'm good with seeing what these guys can build. We've seen all too many quick triggers throughout the NFL and few have ever paid off.

It's fine to be critical, but let's not act like this last few years has been a torture from what we've experienced.

Some teams will catch a golden wildwind. I see us being in the hunt every year with this group.

Keep in mind also how many coordinators have been hired away from this young of a coach. It's unprecedented.

He will glean things from all of them and I feel be more rounded for it. Bellyfat wasn't who he is on his first go round. And cheating aside, you have to acknowledge his awareness on all phases of the game.

Keep this thing going and watch for true trends. We don't want to be the Browns, Chargers, Lions, etc... that always felt they could do better and didn't.
Hey Stu
 

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Yeah some of the contracts im not sure about... but i can't argue with the results

ive watched this team 30 plus years... so its nice to be competitive... because for various decades we were not.
 

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I'm very thankful McVay is our HC. He turned around a losing organization and takes a lot of heat for the offensive performance the past two years and I dont think its fair at all. Snead has drafted incredibly well and been one of the better GMs in football for a while. Always aggressive and never afraid to make a trade, and I respect that about him. We are competing every year to make the playoffs which is great.

That being said, our front office deserves a lot of heat for the contracts given out lately and the cap hell we find ourselves in. Who gets that blame? McVay? Snead? Demoff? Pastoors? A mixture of all of them? We have given out some very questionable contracts and/or given up first round picks, just to cut or trade that player a year or two later. So it's not just the dead cap money but the draft capital spent to get them. It's funny how if Goff was playing at a high level it would offset a lot of the other deficiencies we have. And maybe thats what McVay and Snead bet on. But when you pay players like Gurley, Cooks, Goff, Kupp and none of them are making a significant enough impact to help your team get to the promise land..you set back your entire franchise big time.

I love McVay and I like Snead a lot, but I dont think this can be overlooked when evaluating their job performance the past few years.
 

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I'm thrilled to have who we have. I think it has to be tough to keep replacing these coordinators.

I'm with you @RamFan503 on how we have had much worse. Some of the posts I've seen make me shake my head. I dont care for Goff, never have, but I've seen him perform extremely well in McVays offense and I'm sure he will get back on the right path and at least manage the game better.

I'm very concerned with the cap situation but again, I'm confident that Demoff with figure it out.

Let's go Rams. Our season is over. It is what it is. Time to look forward and we have the best fuckin GM in football ready to make some shit happen.
 

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The 90s ensure that I'll never take a coach like this for granted. No way. None of these guys are perfect. They're all gonna piss fans off. But there's a small percentage that will always give you that edge and we have one of those coaches now.

Also the fact that his prestige has eroded so quickly even among the faithful demonstrates how even McVay can't afford to fuck around. All that "I blame myself" shit will transition out of his coachspeak at some point I guarantee it. It's already started but he's got a lot to learn so it might take another year or two.

This guy is gonna be a beast when he fully gets past that shit too.
 

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Totally agree!! And, I will probably be in the minority but I am also very thankful that Goff is the Rams QB!!! Are there better QB’s in the NFL than Goff? Yes (Mahomes, Rodgers, etc) but Goff is still young and when healthy and given the right tools (OL, Receivers, etc) I think he is still an above average to very good NFL QB and I am not sure just how many NFL QB’s would have played the past two Rams games with the injury and pain that Goff played with!!! Personally, I think Goff is the Rams current and future QB!!!
 

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I think a thread starter who gets a thread winner wins the internet for the day.

Congratulations!!!

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Mcvay is a hell of a coach. Best record of active coaches last time I checked. Winning season all 4 seasons. An NFC Championship and three playoff appearances.

He's a hard worker and will learn from his mistakes as he goes. People need to keep in mind how young he is.

His down year last year had mostly to do with injuries.

This year he composed a team that was just a notch below the #1 seed and if not for key injuries to Donald, Kupp and Edwards might have pulled an upset.

Mcvays best trait, in my book is he is an introspective self correcting type of person. He will always honestly evaluate his mistakes and make the necessary tweaks. Stubborn coaches that fail to do this are the ones the don't last in the NFL (Not For Long).
 

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Sneads got dem nutz.

If we ever actually use our own first round pick, I’ll be pretty surprised.

Boring we are NOT
 

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Mcvay is a hell of a coach. Best record of active coaches last time I checked
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Thankful for both.

But please, please address the OL this year and get it back to top 10 status.
 

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Rams are willing to build a team without first-round draft picks
Posted by Mike Florio on February 1, 2021
Rams are willing to build a team without first-round draft picks - ProFootballTalk (nbcsports.com)

One of the most intriguing angles emerging from the trade that will send quarterback Matthew Stafford from the Lions to the Rams for quarterback Jared Goff, two first-round picks, and a third-round pick comes from the ongoing willingness of the Rams to surrender first-round picks.

The Stafford trade, as noted on Saturday night, means that the Rams will have gone without a first-round pick in 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023.

That’s too many first-round picks out the window for this trend to be regarded as a fluke. As some in the league are suggesting, the constant trading away of first-round picks at some point supports a conclusion that the Rams don’t want to expose themselves to criticism and accountability for making mistakes with those first-round picks.

In this specific case, the reluctance to use first-round picks possibly sprang from the aftermath of the trade that allowed Washington to acquire quarterback Robert Griffin III in 2012. The Rams flipped the second overall pick that year for the sixth overall selection, two future first-round picks, and a second round pick. The haul prompted G.M. Les Snead, who was hired just months before the RGIII trade, to boast that the team’s objective was to “build to dominate” with Washington’s picks.

They didn’t. Several years ago, the Washington Post looked at the aftermath of the RGIII trade. The Rams definitely did not “dominate” with those picks. From Michael Brockers to Janoris Jenkins to Isaiah Pead to Rokevious Watkins to Alec Ogletree to Stedman Bailey to Zac Stacy to Greg Robinson, those players didn’t become the nucleus of a contender.

The other first-round picks used by Snead and the Rams — with the exception of one — also didn’t pan out. Receiver Tavon Austin, the eighth overall pick in 2013, somehow earned a big-money extension. Both the draft status and the contract were mistakes. Running back Todd Gurley, the 10th pick in 2015, became the NFL’s offensive player of the year in 2017, but chronic knee issues hampered him down the stretch in 2018 and resulted in the Rams severing ties after 2019 — two seasons into a big-money extension.

Goff started strong, too. After three years, he made it to the Super Bowl and earned a market-value contract. He’s now gone (or, more accurately, will be gone on March 17), after the organization quickly soured on him.

The lone exception, of course, was defensive tackle Aaron Donald. Left on the board by the Lions — who were entering contract years with Ndamukong Suh and Nick Fairley and definitely had a need at the position — Donald has become one of the best defensive players in all of football, thanks to the lottery ticket the Rams scratched off to get him in 2014.

After trading up for Goff two years later, however, the Rams got out of the lottery ticket business, possibly because they otherwise had a pile of used tickets that did nothing to help the team get better.

It hasn’t kept the Rams from being relevant and competitive. It has, however, kept them from developing a group of young players who grow and develop and provide year-to-year consistency. That puts even more pressure on coach Sean McVay to craft a winner from the unique lump of clay that the offseason roster becomes, as veterans come and go and as new first-round picks don’t join the franchise as players who potentially can grow and thrive as long-term members of the organization.
 

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Brandon Beane’s team building shows long-term vision in contrast to Los Angeles Rams
The Rams have been in win-now mode for a while, it seems.
By Matt Warren Feb 1, 2021
Opinion: Brandon Beane’s team building shows long-term vision in contrast to Los Angeles Rams - Buffalo Rumblings

Buffalo Bills general manager Brandon Beane has traded NFL Draft picks plenty of times, including moving and acquiring multiple first-round picks. Sitting back and watching the Los Angeles Rams over the last few years and comparing it to Beane shows the contrast between building with first-rounders as opposed to surviving without them.

On Saturday, the Rams traded their next two first-round draft picks along with a third-rounder and young QB Jared Goff to the Detroit Lions in exchange for Matthew Stafford. While I truly commend them for having the intestinal fortitude to move on from their former first overall draft choice (most teams won’t admit that mistake until it’s too late), their recent track record in the first round is incredibly striking.

Since taking Goff in 2016, they haven’t made a first-round selection of any kind. They traded their 2017 first-rounder as part of the package to get Goff. They traded their 2018 pick for WR Brandin Cooks. They traded their 2019 first-round pick, 31 overall, for a second-and third-round selection. The 2020 and 2021 picks went to obtain cornerback Jalen Ramsey. Now their 2022 and 2023 picks were used to acquire Stafford.

By trading away so many top picks, you’re ensuring that you don’t have young, cheap talent at your disposal moving forward. Sure Ramsey is better than a first-round cornerback, but he is extremely more expensive than two first-round picks on their rookie deals.

In the trade for Stafford, they got back a 33-year-old quarterback with a few good years left in the tank but at a premium price. It’s a win-now move in a sea of win-now moves.

With a shrinking salary cap due to COVID-19, the Rams are pushing all their chips in the basket for the next two years. Kick the salary cap crunch down the road without having young talent developing into potential stars. Ride the arm of an aging quarterback while you still can and worry about the long-term effects later.

Rams salary cap figures for 2021 ...

DT Aaron Donald: $27.892M
CB Jalen Ramsey: $22.5M
QB Matthew Stafford: $20.0M
WR Cooper Kupp: $14.5M
WR Robert Woods: $13.875M
LT Andrew Whitworth: $11.167M

Total for Top 6: $109.934M

Rams will have to keep hitting on middle-rounders.
— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) January 31, 2021
It’s a bold strategy but completely different than the one employed by Buffalo Bills general manager Brandon Beane.

When the Bills traded up for their quarterback in 2018, they used their first-round pick and two second-round picks to get the job done on Josh Allen. That’s a lot on the line — second round picks are valuable — but the Bills had bullets in the chamber from earlier trades of Ronald Darby, Sammy Watkins, Tyrod Taylor, Cordy Glenn, and a move down in the 2017 first round. Then Beane traded up for LB Tremaine Edmunds using a third-round pick. He used five picks from the first three rounds to obtain two cornerstones of his vision; his franchise QB and stud middle linebacker. Allen was 21, Edmunds just 19.

With those two cemented in their roles (and young studs Tre’Davious White, Dion Dawkins, and Matt Milano from the year before), Beane could use the team’s cap space to build around them, adding receivers to help with Allen’s development and spending liberally on the defensive and offensive lines as well as the secondary. When the team needed an alpha receiver to get over the hump, they traded for a 26-year-old Stefon Diggs instead of drafting a rookie and expecting him to be a game-changer without training camp. Looking ahead, the team was set up to pay their young stars at roughly the same time veteran free agent signings were to come off the books.

The plan - not just a two-year plan like the one in Los Angeles, but a long-term plan - was to build the franchise for sustained success and multiple bites at the apple. Has COVID-19 and the constrained salary cap altered that plan? You bet. Buffalo is going to have to let good players go this offseason that they would have been able to retain under normal circumstances, but they are still under the cap right now.

The Rams are going to have to shed multiple players just to get under the cap in 2021. They won’t have the depth to weather injuries or declining returns from veterans. They barely squeaked into the playoffs in 2020 at the sixth spot and are betting that Stafford over Goff (and not much else) gives them a few more wins and makes them a championship contender.

Meanwhile, the Bills have their full complement of picks in 2021. They traded a fourth-rounder as part of the deal for Diggs but received a fifth-rounder for Zay Jones. They won’t have their original seventh-round selection, but received a seventh-round pick in exchange for Marshall Newhouse, a veteran they were going to cut two years ago.

Once again, Beane has bullets in the chamber to restock the shelves with talent. The Rams have one bullet in the arm of Matthew Stafford. It doesn’t mean the Bills will succeed and the Rams will fail, but it means the Rams have to be more accurate with their picks and the Bills have some
 

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I remember a couple years ago people were saying with the moves they're making the window will be closing soon. In a couple years it will be totally shut. They're sacrificing the future to win now.

Yet, here we are a couple years later looking like a legit contender for next season again. And people are still saying they're sacrificing the future to win now. They can win the next ten years with this strategy and people will still be saying it.

All I can say is, keep giving us winning seasons. Its a helluva lot better than those wilderness years before McVay came along. Remember when Fisher had all those extra picks? Several in the top ten? How did that work out?
 

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When you build via the draft conventional wisdom tells you that you have a longer window than one of those teams that got cobbled together correctly. So the way the Bills are doing it is the best way IMO. And it's the way I would do it too, as well as the way I'd prefer the Rams do it.

But in the mean time since I'm just a fan I'm gonna enjoy the benefits of this approach and hope we get that Super Bowl.

And back to Stafford... This guy. I keep watching more games of his and with every one I get a little more excited. Have slept like shit the past two nights I'm so geeked up. It's criminal how poor my opinion of this guy was compared to who he is. Just damn.

At this point IMO if they find a center and one good passing game addition and keep this defense from sliding we're either gonna win it all or come damn close.