I'm guessing Snead is safe?

[Ram65]

1. Fisher goes but Snead stays? What does that mean about what is going on behind the scene

Can't be sure why. I guess it would be hard to replace the guy who really is in charge of scouting. Somehow, the drafting mishaps fall mostly on

2.Why did it get so weird at the end of the Fisher era. I don't care what anyone says, he got weird. Why?


I think Fisher know he was going to get canned yet, tried to deflect the blame and show unity. When the Rams were losing he looked at the camera that were focused on him with IMHO a beaten down NFL Head Coach expression

3. Kroenke is a smart and patient man (positives) but also sounds a bit aloof. Frankly, he also comes off as an elitist, which won't kill a culture rebuild, but won't make it any easier. The WHOLE organization needs to willing to roll up their sleeves and do whatever it takes, mop the floors if you have to, to WIN. This is where the owner can make an impact on his team. I don't think that's how Kroenke sees his contribution, but I could be wrong.

I'm not so concerned about Stan. He has put a lot of responsibility on Demoff. Teams win with different types of owners. Is Demoff the right guy? Time will tell. I'm not sure about Stan because he doesn't say much. Posters said he was a camp or practice and has talked to players. I highly doubt players are playing for Stan. There are a lot of younger owners that took over the family business. I don't think there are many old time owners left. I could tell you much about most of them. Here is a list. They all are monetary elitist of various degrees.

4.How much locker room cancer is there, and why is that?

More team/organizational attitude than individuals.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NFL_franchise_owners
The following is a list of current National Football League franchise owners.


Terry Pegula, co-owner of the Buffalo Bills.

Jerry Jones, owner of theDallas Cowboys.

Clark Hunt, chairman of the Kansas City Chiefs.

Zygi Wilf, majority owner of the Minnesota Vikings.
FranchiseOwnerYear
Arizona CardinalsBill Bidwill‡1 1972
Atlanta FalconsArthur Blank†1 2004
Baltimore RavensSteve Bisciotti†1 2004
Buffalo BillsKim and Terry Pegula 2014
Carolina PanthersJerry Richardson2 1993
Chicago BearsVirginia Halas McCaskey†‡3 1983
Cincinnati BengalsMike Brown‡3 1991
Cleveland BrownsJimmy Haslam 2012
Dallas CowboysJerry Jones 1989
Denver BroncosPat Bowlen†6 (Bowlen Family Trust) 1984
Detroit LionsMartha Ford†[1] 2014
Green Bay PackersGreen Bay Packers, Inc. (governed by a Board of Directors)5 1923
Houston TexansRobert C. McNair†2 1999
Indianapolis ColtsJim Irsay‡ 1997
Jacksonville JaguarsShahid Khan 2012
Kansas City ChiefsClark Hunt‡3 2006
Los Angeles RamsStan Kroenke1 2010
Miami DolphinsStephen M. Ross† 2008
Minnesota VikingsZygi Wilf† 2005
New England PatriotsRobert Kraft 1994
New Orleans SaintsTom Benson 1985
New York GiantsJohn Mara (50%)4
Steve Tisch (50%) 2005
New York JetsRobert Wood Johnson IV 2000
Oakland RaidersCarol and Mark Davis (mother and son)†‡ 2011
Philadelphia EaglesJeffrey Lurie 1994
Pittsburgh SteelersDan Rooney3 1988
San Diego ChargersAlex Spanos† and family1,6 1984
San Francisco 49ersJed York‡1 2009
Seattle SeahawksPaul Allen 1997
Tampa Bay Buccaneers Bryan Glazer, Edward Glazer, Joel Glazer and Darcie Kassewitz‡ 2014
Tennessee Titans Susie Smith, Amy Strunk, Susan Lewis 3 Barclay and Kenneth Adams IV‡4 2013
Washington RedskinsDan Snyder† 1999

 

[Merlin]

Snead will be muzzled for the most part and the candidates will know that. He is probably there to answer their questions on personnel and some of the decisions that were made, etc.

As I mentioned in the other thread, if the coach candidate is intimidated by a lame duck GM in the room he is not the guy for us. It means nothing. Les is gone barring one of these guys really hitting it off with him in the interview.

 

[Zero]

Took me a while to find it.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...snead-leans-on-strengths-to-rebuild-st-louis-

Thanks Fro.For taking the time to look it up.

 

[Selassie I]

If Les is going to be doing the interviews for HC with Kevin and his future employment is NOT a sure thing... I call that the definition of dysfunctional.

If Les is doing the interviews for HC with Kevin and he is going to be the new HC's boss (for certain)... that would be totally fine.

Sadly... we don't know what the deal really is. The guys brought in for interviews will though. This is the part that worries the hell out of me. The best candidates for this opening are not going to want to join a Chinese Fire Drill.

It's one thing to allow the candidates an opportunity to have a meeting with Les... more or less a process where the candidate is interviewing Les to see if the candidate is willing to have Les on the team. I can see that being an acceptable / understandable step in this whole mess. If that happened it would be of absolute importance to let the candidate know that the decision would be his to make though (no pressure either way).

Guess we'll all have to wait and see. I don't really like the way it sounds though.

 

[Merlin]

The only pick I know for sure was Snead's was Quick. It leads me to believe that he was a driving force in drafting the raw/upside guys and coaching them up. To me that's a philosophical failure.

I agree. I actually like Les Snead. I actually think we haven't seen the last of him, that he'll probably bounce back after he's fired with another organization and get another shot. But his philosophy, or what we think was his philosophy, was a failure for two reasons:

1. Drafting projects high is a losing proposition due to FA. By the time the guy starts really figuring it out and becomes a factor in actual wins for your organization, he's in that window where you should be considering trading or signing him.

2. He did not have a staff that could develop offensive players. This is a shame, too, because if your staff is good enough as teachers of the game, you can offset the drawbacks of the point above.

I believe that the biggest single decision a GM makes is which coach to hire. My reasoning is that coach and the staff he brings in is going to have a lot of deviation in terms of maximizing the talent he is given. If they're terrible, they're only going to get return on ready-to-play types and even then if they are terrible in scheme that might not even happen. If they're great teachers, you'll have some wiggle room with some picks you wouldn't have otherwise.

Fish had two strengths, those being his ability to handle problematic types, i.e. he could give you more wiggle room with them, and his defensive staff (once he got rid of a bad first hire DC) that did a good job squeezing production from what they were given for the most part.

So yeah, in hindsight that's where Les never had a chance to succeed with that approach. This time around, whether it's him or another GM (which seems more likely), they need to ensure their player acquisition fits the staff better from a long term approach.

 

[FRO]

I agree. I actually like Les Snead. I actually think we haven't seen the last of him, that he'll probably bounce back after he's fired with another organization and get another shot. But his philosophy, or what we think was his philosophy, was a failure for two reasons:

1. Drafting projects high is a losing proposition due to FA. By the time the guy starts really figuring it out and becomes a factor in actual wins for your organization, he's in that window where you should be considering trading or signing him.

2. He did not have a staff that could develop offensive players. This is a shame, too, because if your staff is good enough as teachers of the game, you can offset the drawbacks of the point above.

I believe that the biggest single decision a GM makes is which coach to hire. My reasoning is that coach and the staff he brings in is going to have a lot of deviation in terms of maximizing the talent he is given. If they're terrible, they're only going to get return on ready-to-play types and even then if they are terrible in scheme that might not even happen. If they're great teachers, you'll have some wiggle room with some picks you wouldn't have otherwise.

Fish had two strengths, those being his ability to handle problematic types, i.e. he could give you more wiggle room with them, and his defensive staff (once he got rid of a bad first hire DC) that did a good job squeezing production from what they were given for the most part.

So yeah, in hindsight that's where Les never had a chance to succeed with that approach. This time around, whether it's him or another GM (which seems more likely), they need to ensure their player acquisition fits the staff better from a long term approach.

Outstanding points. College offenses are very simple. Some schools don't huddle or have a playbook. They are at a major disadvantage coming into the league. Drafting a raw guy on top of all that makes things even worse. Like you said once the player is developed they are a free agent and you have wasted money and a roster spot on a guy who didn't produce until the end of their term. If Snead stays I hope he learned his lesson.

 

[Snaz]

I think you may be okay with project players round 3 or later, I don't get the concept of picking them in Round 1 and 2. If they are that raw, they shouldn't be drafted that high. So those to me were bad picks. There have been a lot of misses where better players were drafted after the Rams selected a player of the same position and those players played better on the Teams that drafted them. Doesn't mean had the Rams selected the better player that they would have been developed by the staff, but it is disappointing to see so many misses.

 

[Corbin]

Add all of this up and you have:
No one knows how much Snead contributed to the draft picks.

But Kroenke ought to know.

Me? If I don't know (how much he contributed), then I err on the side of caution (given the very average track record of picks) and move on from him.

Obviously this is my best speculation since I'm not Kroenke or Demoff.

Average track record of picks? Fisher stinks of average and if you were a detective I think that would be an important clue who overrode the GM on draft picks and who had the power to: Fisher.

Connect the dots?

 

[Rmfnlt]

if you were a detective I think that would be an important clue who overrode the GM on draft picks and who had the power to: Fisher.

I guess I'm just willing to say "I don't know" how those two worked together.

That uncertainty opens the window that Snead may have been part of the problem.

As a fan (who is only guessing), I'd want to close that window... and there's only one way to do that.

 

[Corbin]

I guess I'm just willing to say "I don't know" how those two worked together.

That uncertainty opens the window that Snead may have been part of the problem.

As a fan (who is only guessing), I'd want to close that window... and there's only one way to do that.

Obviously it seems it's obvious who was in charge of the decision since Snead is still with us.

 

[Ellard80]

I see zero reason that Snead should have a job.

His hair is pretty sexy I guess.

 

[fearsomefour]

Will Snead stay? maybe
Should he? Probably not.
The closer the job titles get the owner the less there is change.
The reason is simple psychology is my opinion. In most cased the COO, GM help hire the coach, so, if the coach has to go all those guys made a mistake. If the GM has to go, the owner made a mistake.
We shall see....

 

[A55VA6]

I feel like Snead has a good eye for talent, but the thing about him is he's a risk taker. High risk, high reward.

 

[FRO]

Obviously it seems it's obvious who was in charge of the decision since Snead is still with us.

Not necessarily true. Demoff thinks the roster is close, hence not calling it a rebuild. He may think Fisher/Snead drafted well and they just need better coaching.

 

[IowaRam]

Didn't the Rams 2016 draft class get ranked 32nd for the year

Thought I read that the other day

 

[ljramsfan]

The only pick I know for sure was Snead's was Quick. It leads me to believe that he was a driving force in drafting the raw/upside guys and coaching them up. To me that's a philosophical failure.

Or a Fisher assistance coach not coaching him up

 

[hotanez]

I think Snead is done...Again, I don't think it's hard to pick in the first 3 rounds with all the information available and all the televised games. Later rounds require scouts in various areas. talent evaluators you can trust. I feel fans of local teams/players can do just as good a job. I think besides 4 players, Donald, Brockers, Ogletree, and.....who?? Well, Our first & 2nd rounders have been just meh...especially the 2nd round picks. and no matter how much Fisher was involved, so was Snead.

Champ you say it's easy to pick in the first 3 rounds but so many GMs fail at it why? Because it's not easy and in the end it's a gamble. Yes Snead failed with GR, Quick and Pead. But he also picked Jenkins, McDonald, Tru, Gaines, Mo and Hav to name a few. Nothing is a sure thing but everyone saying that we should make a change to get better also needs to understand it could get worst.

 

[FRO]

Or a Fisher assistance coach not coaching him up

Brian Quick still runs wrong and bad routes. Can't blame that on coaching. He gets paid. He needs to hone in his craft.

 

[ljramsfan]

Brian Quick still runs wrong and bad routes. Can't blame that on coaching. He gets paid. He needs to hone in his craft.

Yes that is very true but the GM does not cut players the coaches do. Who knows if Snead thought he was a bust after two years and regretted his decision. We will never know

 

[Mojo Ram]

He may think Fisher/Snead drafted well and they just need better coaching.

I think that's exactly what they're thinking, and i agree which is why Les is still here and contributing in the interview process. I don't think Snead is going anywhere and tbh i hope he doesn't get fired.
I'm in the camp that thinks that this was Fisher's boat all along and Snead went and got the players that Fisher wanted(for the most part).

I think the Rams will sell Snead as a guy with a strong scouting dept and a guy who can go get the type of players the new HC wants and needs.