I don't get all this CB talk

[Shuie3225]

A lot of analysis are projecting a 1st round cb pick or a 2nd round cb pick for that matter. While I do like the kid from Michigan state I feel like we have 4 solid corners. I mean our 4 is better than a lot of other teams top 4 so I think its ridiculous to draft one in the top 2 rounds.

Maybe late draft we can grab one for depth but with Janoris, EJ, trumaine, and Joyner...why in the hell would people be mocking us a early CB?

We need WR at 10 and then OL for the next few picks. If we don't wanna take cooper or davante parker(who I love) at 10..then trade down and go OL and get an extra pick. All this CB early talk is fucking stupid.

 

[Hey Man]

We are going offense this year. Depends who is there at 10? It could be a lot of different scenarios. If one of the top two Qbs are there, than what? A top receiver ? A top olineman ? A trade ?

 

[FrankenRam]

A lot of analysis are projecting a 1st round cb pick or a 2nd round cb pick for that matter. While I do like the kid from Michigan state I feel like we have 4 solid corners. I mean our 4 is better than a lot of other teams top 4 so I think its ridiculous to draft one in the top 2 rounds.

Maybe late draft we can grab one for depth but with Janoris, EJ, trumaine, and Joyner...why in the hell would people be mocking us a early CB?

We need WR at 10 and then OL for the next few picks. If we don't wanna take cooper or davante parker(who I love) at 10..then trade down and go OL and get an extra pick. All this CB early talk is freaking stupid.

I've not seen any mocks with the Rams selecting a CB, but that doesn't remotely mean they haven't.

In general, I tend to agree with your sentiments, 'but'........

I'd say the Rams' CB's are a 'good' bunch, but there isn't a 'great' one in the crowd to my way of thinking. And if there is one that has that 'great' potential, then I wouldn't be averse to the Rams selecting him. Just don't recall having seen any CB's talked about in those glowing terms yet this year. At least not at #10 in Rd 1.

Plus...., if I'm not mistaken Janoris Jenkins will be up for FA after next season. So again, if the Rams' pick rolls around in say Rd 2, and a corner that's available is significantly the highest rated player on their board, they should take him. IMO, of course.

 

[iced]

We are going offense this year. Depends who is there at 10? It could be a lot of different scenarios. If one of the top two Qbs are there, than what? A top receiver ? A top olineman ? A trade ?

I have a hard time believing Mariota would be there at 10.

Eagles would trade up for him prior to us, and I don't see us moving down from there to the eagles

 

[RamBill]

1) Jenkins and Johnson are both free agents after this year. What if the Rams have determined that they either don't want to re-sign them or are willing to risk them going to the open market? That would move CB right up the list of needs. Not saying that is the case, but unless we know exactly what the Rams plans are, CB can't be eliminated as a potential need.

2) You can never have too many good CB's, especially with nickle being the primary defense used vs. all the 11 personnel (3 WR offenses) that are used in the NFL these days.

3) If a CB or almost any position is far and away the best player available at a particular pick you take him, or trade down if possible.

4) All of that being said, I still think this will be an overwhelmingly offensive draft for the Rams. But I can see how a CB could end up being one of the choices.

 

[Robocop]

we need lineman plain and simple. ppl can talk about the BPA strategy or w/e but I do know it's much more likely the Rams pull an OL than a receiver in the first IF Britt gets resigned

 

[Memphis Ram]

Perhaps, the CBs being mocked to the Rams are actually pretty good players who they believe to be better than what the Rams have on the roster.

Perhaps many of those analysts took note of the high completion percentages of opposing QBs vs. a team that was supposed to have a great pass rush.

Alex Smith 86.2%
Phillip Rivers 82.9%
Tony Romo 78.3%
Eli Manning 78.1%
Josh McCown 76.2%
Carson Palmer 69.4%
Matt Cassell 68%
Russell Wilson 68%
Collin Kaepernick 66.7%

Talent at the position vs. Bodies at the position. Two different things altogether.

Perhaps, many of those analysts don't see the 2015 NFL Draft being just about the 2015 season and see that both Jenkins and Johnson are entering the final year of their contracts.

Perhaps, they don't believe the 2015 NFL Draft will be the only way the Rams acquire talent this offseason and that some perceived holes may get filled in free agency.

 

[Stel]

. . . I feel like we have 4 solid corners.

This feeling is why you don't get all the CB talk.

True shut down CBs elevate a defense. We don't have one. We have a good supporting cast but no #1.

 

[Corbin]

A lot of analysis are projecting a 1st round cb pick or a 2nd round cb pick for that matter. While I do like the kid from Michigan state I feel like we have 4 solid corners. I mean our 4 is better than a lot of other teams top 4 so I think its ridiculous to draft one in the top 2 rounds.

Maybe late draft we can grab one for depth but with Janoris, EJ, trumaine, and Joyner...why in the hell would people be mocking us a early CB?

We need WR at 10 and then OL for the next few picks. If we don't wanna take cooper or davante parker(who I love) at 10..then trade down and go OL and get an extra pick. All this CB early talk is freaking stupid.

Love your avatar btw and I agree I'm thinking we go OL because the need and BPA will go hand in hand who I think will still be there. This is going to be fun to watch but I'd dismiss that CB talk tbh.

 

[Ltrautman]

A lot of analysis are projecting a 1st round cb pick or a 2nd round cb pick for that matter. While I do like the kid from Michigan state I feel like we have 4 solid corners. I mean our 4 is better than a lot of other teams top 4 so I think its ridiculous to draft one in the top 2 rounds.

Maybe late draft we can grab one for depth but with Janoris, EJ, trumaine, and Joyner...why in the hell would people be mocking us a early CB?

We need WR at 10 and then OL for the next few picks. If we don't wanna take cooper or davante parker(who I love) at 10..then trade down and go OL and get an extra pick. All this CB early talk is freaking stupid.

If the reporter mocks us a CB at 10, that's how you know he/she doesn't pay attention to the Rams

 

[Memphis Ram]

we need lineman plain and simple. ppl can talk about the BPA strategy or w/e but I do know it's much more likely the Rams pull an OL than a receiver in the first IF Britt gets resigned

BPA over need got the Rams Aaron Donald.

Besides, free agency happens before the draft. So-called perceived needs may change.

 

[V3]

Looking at the completion percentages our CB's gave up, I can't say I'd be against a shut-down CB. None of our CB's are shut-down corners. Johnson is the best, IMO, but still has deficiencies. Jenkins could be the best but his mental makeup will(has) prevent(ed) that from happening. Gaines is a solid CB that I believe will be similar to Johnson. Joyner shouldn't even be a CB, IMO. He's a FS.

So while the group as a whole isn't bad, they aren't anything other teams really fear and they don't make it easy for our D-line to do what they're built to do. QB's are able to get the ball out too quickly for our D-line to get as many sacks as they should be getting. If the Rams could get a true shut-down corner with their first pick, I'd have no issue with it.

 

[Robocop]

BPA over need got the Rams Aaron Donald.

Besides, free agency happens before the draft. So-called perceived needs may change.

that's why I said 'more likely' not definitely

 

[Rams43]

What Stel and Memphis said...

Our current starting CB's are "good", maybe only "pretty good". Maybe not even that. As Memphis pointed out, we shouldn't pretend that our CB's are anywhere close to shut down quality.

Jenkins, in particular, has his warts. How many free 6 pointers did he give up just last year?

Anyway...

If S/F judge Trae Waynes to be BPA at #10, I have no problem with the pick.

Our OL will be fixed one way or another, and probably not with our #10, anyway.

BTW, any other player at any other position that they consider BPA at #10 is also fine by me. Could be as many as 7-8 different positions depending on who falls.

I am NOT dug in on ANY player this particular year. Been a long time since I've felt that way.

 

[Memento]

This feeling is why you don't get all the CB talk.

True shut down CBs elevate a defense. We don't have one. We have a good supporting cast but no #1.

...E.J. Gaines?

 

[ramfan46]

I'm good with what we have at CB. I'm intrigued by Gaines and Roberson to be honest. They both seem to possess raw instincts to locate the ball. I'm hoping Tru being healthy will allow him to be a solid physical outside corner. I want Jenks in the slot where he can gamble more often without giving up an automatic 6 points. I think Gaines can and Tru or Roberson can play outside while pushing Jenks to the slot. Then you would have the option of putting Joyner at FS to compete with McLeod.

 

[Memento]

I'm good with what we have at CB. I'm intrigued by Gaines and Roberson to be honest. They both seem to possess raw instincts to locate the ball. I'm hoping Tru being healthy will allow him to be a solid physical outside corner. I want Jenks in the slot where he can gamble more often without giving up an automatic 6 points. I think Gaines can and Tru or Roberson can play outside while pushing Jenks to the slot. Then you would have the option of putting Joyner at FS to compete with McLeod.

If you moved Joyner to free safety, you'd still need a cornerback in the draft just to replace him as depth. You might also need to convert Alexander to linebacker where he could see the field more often. But since I love your scenario (even though I'm still a touch skeptical about Roberson; his talent is there, but I wonder about the part above his shoulders). But you definitely get a like for this because it's the exact same scenario I'd go with.

 

[Athos]

Looking at the completion percentages our CB's gave up,

That's not the way to look at things. QBs had a high completion % because they were getting the ball out as fast as possible to negate our pass rush. The best CBs in the world aren't going to be able to do a damn thing about quick passes. Nearly every time was running a Drew Brees speed against us.

We gave up ONLY 18 passing TDs through the air last year. One worse than the Hags. And one of those occurred against the Whiners b/c of a boneheaded play, 1 against the Cowgirls (b/c Bryant wasn't flagged as he should have been), and 1 other because of miscomm of a rookie against CRABStree.

Middle of the pack in yards/game.

Could use more INTs sure. But, Tru J was quite a bit last year and didn't look the same when he did return.

CB in the 1st most certainly isn't what we should do. And if it is, it'll mean Snisher don't know what they're doing imo.

Want a better D? Stop having such a shit offense.

 

[V3]

That's not the way to look at things. QBs had a high completion % because they were getting the ball out as fast as possible to negate our pass rush. The best CBs in the world aren't going to be able to do a damn thing about quick passes. Nearly every time was running a Drew Brees speed against us.

We gave up ONLY 18 passing TDs through the air last year. One worse than the Hags. And one of those occurred against the Whiners b/c of a boneheaded play, 1 against the Cowgirls (b/c Bryant wasn't flagged as he should have been), and 1 other because of miscomm of a rookie against CRABStree.

Middle of the pack in yards/game.

Could use more INTs sure. But, Tru J was quite a bit last year and didn't look the same when he did return.

CB in the 1st most certainly isn't what we should do. And if it is, it'll mean Snisher don't know what they're doing imo.

Want a better D? Stop having such a crap offense.

IMO, they had a high percentage because of the amount of soft coverage and lack of quickness to keep up with the receivers(sometimes poor technique). The Rams CB's aren't the worst in the league. Not even close. But they aren't what I'd consider very good, either. They seem like an average group with individuals that have very good games from time to time. CB may not be the highest on the list of needs for this team but it is something that could be improved and if there's a CB sitting there that is rated higher than any other players and they feel he's going to be a shut-down CB, I'd have zero issues with the pick. Also add in the fact that I don't want to give Jenkins a new contract next year. I don't trust him at all.

 

[FrantikRam]

Memphis and RamBill summed up my thoughts pretty well.

Truth is, I very much doubt that NFL GMs ever, EVER, draft for "need". Especially in the first few rounds, I'd guess they draft players they think will be very good. It might coincide with a perceived team need, but I very much doubt any NFL GM is ever like, "well, I know this is a reach, but we really need a player at this position".....just doesn't make sense.

But, even if you live by the perceived "team needs" argument....what any of us perceive as team needs and what Snisher decide are team needs would probably be different.

They might know right now that it's unlikely they'd re-sign Janoris - heck I think it's unlikely, because I think some team would be willing to pay him more than $6mil/year in FA and I just don't think he's worth that. Being an NFL GM and thinking ahead of the game with re-signings and managing the salary cap not just this year, but years ahead, is an insane puzzle.