Guys, relax!

[OldSchool]

Other than that I believe both Weedle & Matthews will return in 2020, agree completely.

Why not? Both are signed through 2020.

 

[Boston Ram]

You think cooks is worth 16 million ?

Nope

 

[Mackeyser]

Justin Lawler may not be all that far from a return either, although I haven't heard any recent news of him.

Lawler's on IR. He's done for the year. He's not on the DTR, so yeah, done if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Dieter the Brock]

Other than that I believe both Weedle & Matthews will return in 2020, agree completely.

Weedle hahahhah

 

[Mister Sin]

Jalen Ramsey is better than any player we would get for those picks.

I read something on bleacher....it said to look at it like this. Ramsey is our first next year and we traded the 1st and 4th to move up to get him.

I’m more curious to see how Young fits into this plan...Peters is a big name for a no name.

 

[Farr Be It]

Ditto and Ditto.

At least these guys aren't just sitting idly by, hoping things get better, working with players that are mismatched to the scheme (Peters) while being afraid to make bold moves. I remember numerous times in the past where the Rams would be in trouble or have need and there was a move to be made ... only to watch again and again, the Rams not make it. Now they are.

With regard to the Ramsey move, ask any GM in the league these two questions, and I bet all of them would say "hell yes!"

1. Would you like to have a defense with Aaron Donald on the front end and Jalen Ramsey on the back end?
2. Would you give up a lot to have such a defense?

For the Rams and their fans, those aren't hypotheticals anymore.

I love our front line stars. However, I am getting a bit impatient with Donald being quadruple teamed while none of our other guys apply much pressure. Either that or a guy like the midget escape contain and make big plays juuuust before our guys get home.

Frustrating. Our defensive third down rate is alarming.

 

[Jacobarch]

I heard a guy on the radio say it and I will paraphrase because he's 100% spot on.

A lot of Rams players play like they're heros trying to save the day rather than doing their jobs.

When asked who he was referring to he pointed at guys like Peters, Donald, Fowler and others on the DLine. He pointed out while they can be disruptive teams use their own momentum against them which we've seen time and time again.
Take Donald for example, we've seen him blow up the backfield and get a ton of TFLs. But when he misses it usually results in a big gain. Same goes for Peters, when he was guessing or jumping a route and guessing wrong he usually got burned over the top for a TD.
I think the Rams are finally seeing this and trying to correct with the trades they made over the last two days.

 

[Mackeyser]

I love our front line stars. However, I am getting a bit impatient with Donald being quadruple teamed while none of our other guys apply much pressure. Either that or a guy like the midget escape contain and make big plays juuuust before our guys get home.

Frustrating. Our defensive third down rate is alarming.

We REALLY are missing Clay Matthews...

 

[Memento]

Weedle hahahhah

 

[Farr Be It]

We REALLY are missing Clay Matthews...

True, but look at how we are paralyzed as soon as we are missing one front line player.

The Whiners have half their Oline injured and their Pro Bowl fullback and the Rams didn't do crap with it. Next man up. And we had to look at this smug B!tch all freakin' day.

If the Rams cannot stiffen up and get some revenge later this year, I'm gonna go sideways.

 

[Mackeyser]

True, but look at how we are paralyzed as soon as we are missing one front line player.

The Whiners have half their Oline injured and their Pro Bowl fullback and the Rams didn't do crap with it. Next man up. And we had to look at this smug B!tch all freakin' day.

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If the Rams cannot stiffen up and get some revenge later this year, I'm gonna go sideways.

Robert Saleh is one of the better DCs in the league and he's gonna be an HC next year. His defenses gave us problems even when he had absolute garbage players.

Our biggest issue in that game was 3/4 downs. Our D gave up too many first on 3rd down and our O couldn't convert a 3rd down.

It was a division game, they have a ton of confidence and swagger, the offense isn't relying on Jimmy G to slang it around and teams quickly are going to recognize that and force the 9ers to beat them in the air and other than Kittle and Godwin, they don't really have anyone.

I expect there schedule to tighten up and for teams to start playing that offense more aggressively to shut down the run and force Jimmy G to win... and I think they'll have limited success.

Heck, the 1995 Rams started out 5-1, got shellacked by the 9ers and then kept getting shellacked the rest of the year.

When teams figure out to sell out to stop the run and force Jimmy G to beat them with his arm, that 9er team is a 500 team at best and that's with Saleh's defense.

I'll give true props if they win some hard games and finish 13-3 or better. I don't see that happening.

 

[thirteen28]

I love our front line stars. However, I am getting a bit impatient with Donald being quadruple teamed while none of our other guys apply much pressure. Either that or a guy like the midget escape contain and make big plays juuuust before our guys get home.

Frustrating. Our defensive third down rate is alarming.

I hear you. Hopefully the arrival of Ramsey means the departure of the soft zone crap that puts our DB's 10 yards off the LOS and allows other teams to dink and dunk. If we can press and take away the quick throws, the sacks will start coming.

 

[rams1fan]

I hear you. Hopefully the arrival of Ramsey means the departure of the soft zone crap that puts our DB's 10 yards off the LOS and allows other teams to dink and dunk. If we can press and take away the quick throws, the sacks will start coming.

I would think so. Ramsey complained this year on playing zone. he likes man coverage.

 

[Ramlock]

Robert Saleh is one of the better DCs in the league and he's gonna be an HC next year. His defenses gave us problems even when he had absolute garbage players.

Our biggest issue in that game was 3/4 downs. Our D gave up too many first on 3rd down and our O couldn't convert a 3rd down.

It was a division game, they have a ton of confidence and swagger, the offense isn't relying on Jimmy G to slang it around and teams quickly are going to recognize that and force the 9ers to beat them in the air and other than Kittle and Godwin, they don't really have anyone.

I expect there schedule to tighten up and for teams to start playing that offense more aggressively to shut down the run and force Jimmy G to win... and I think they'll have limited success.

Heck, the 1995 Rams started out 5-1, got shellacked by the 9ers and then kept getting shellacked the rest of the year.

When teams figure out to sell out to stop the run and force Jimmy G to beat them with his arm, that 9er team is a 500 team at best and that's with Saleh's defense.

I'll give true props if they win some hard games and finish 13-3 or better. I don't see that happening.

Oh yeah, they’re afraid of Jimmy.

Two turnover Jimmy.

 

[Farr Be It]

I hear you. Hopefully the arrival of Ramsey means the departure of the soft zone crap that puts our DB's 10 yards off the LOS and allows other teams to dink and dunk. If we can press and take away the quick throws, the sacks will start coming.

I smile when I realize that I never have to see Peters try to tackle like the fat kid in fifth grade again.

 

[Capitaino]

*Salary cap- It's going to go up. In addition, all great teams that sustain success over time draft well in rounds 2-7 and the UFDA route. The Rams have been great at this and it will need to continue. More than anything, what has Demoff/Snead ever done to make any of us doubt their ability to sign the guys they really want? There has been no one that has left they have wanted that has gone on to make us regret the decision.

Here's the problem. Goff, Donald, Gurley, and Ramsey (if he resigns) are going to be taking up a gigantic % of the cap. Just for those 4 players alone. So that means you have to be able to find cheap labor to fill in the rest of the roster. Those players usually come from the draft. But without 1st round picks, that makes it that much harder.

The Rams window at being elite was with Goff/Donald/Gurley on rookie deals. When you pay up for those guys, and are trading away future draft picks in the process, you no longer have an advantage that you did before. GM'ing gets way more difficult. Donald's the best defensive lineman in football. Easy decision to give him his money. Goff/Gurley look like bad contracts. Paying Goff best QB in the league type money, when he's not the best QB was not smart. Paying any RB given how dime a dozen RBs are also a poor GM decision. So no, Demoff/Snead don't get some leeway here. They made bad decisions in St Louis with the roster. They've made some bad ones here. We'll see about Ramsey. Like the player, hate the price.

If we win it all in 2020, and then have to gut the team due to cap hell it'll be worth it. If we don't go anywhere, and then have to deal with the ramifications (no pun intended) of salary cap allocation, it's going to be a bleak 2021 and onward. I still have faith in McVay. I think he's the best hire the Rams made. Snead/Demoff could be fired and it wouldn't bother me. Never thought either of them were good at their jobs.

 

[RamBall]

Also, anyone else feel that Sunday convinced them to move on from Fowler?

Those key offsides penalties, that showed a lack of discipline, and still not making enough of an impact on the pass rush might have been noteworthy.

Could it be that led them also in part to decide to use his potential new contract money instead on Ramsey?

Could have been a deciding factor to pull the trigger on the deal.

I think Sunday proved that Peters had to go if the Rams want to have a top D. Peters inability to cover and lack of desire to tackle doomed the Rams much more than Fowlers 3 off sides. I will take off sides over lack of desire anytime. Off sides is from being aggressive, Peters play is due to lack of heart. Yes off sides shows lack of discipline but it is going to happen, just cant make a habit of it. But not covering or tackling is unacceptable, especially for a CB. If the Rams had the players to play press man coverage the sf game ends differently. The Rams had more rushing yards in the 1st half than sf had for the game, the difference was they destroyed our passing game, while we let them do what they wanted in the passing game.

 

[PhillyRam]

I think Sunday proved that Peters had to go if the Rams want to have a top D. Peters inability to cover and lack of desire to tackle doomed the Rams much more than Fowlers 3 off sides. I will take off sides over lack of desire anytime. Off sides is from being aggressive, Peters play is due to lack of heart. Yes off sides shows lack of discipline but it is going to happen, just cant make a habit of it. But not covering or tackling is unacceptable, especially for a CB. If the Rams had the players to play press man coverage the sf game ends differently. The Rams had more rushing yards in the 1st half than sf had for the game, the difference was they destroyed our passing game, while we let them do what they wanted in the passing game.

Well, as Snead mentioned, I also assumed they had already determined that Peters would not be back. He is just not a fit in Wade's defense. Can't play man to save his life . He is a pure zone, route jumping corner.

My point was they know Fowler is least a $10M a yr player.... Maybe they also decided that money can and should be spent elsewhere considering his play and critical mistakes. Sunday could have been a breaking point on that issue.

So what better way to spend it than on Ramsey?

 

[Wisconsinram]

With all due respect, Cap, I don't agree.

The cap is certainly going to go up very soon, and quite possible quite a bit. As many have shared, the deals made recently will not look nearly as dire in 2-3 years.

With regards to Goff, I'd offer two things. First, it's very rare in sports that the best player at the position is paid the most for very long. By the nature of the timing of expiring contracts, teams have to make decisions that ultimately result in them paying more for a player than the best player at that position in the league is paid. By way of example, Wentz is paid more than Mahomes. There are many other examples.

This leads to the Goff extension. The guy took us to the last super bowl. We paid a boat load of draft capital to get him. It would have been nice if we didn't have to pay him top money, but that's simply not the reality of how it works. At the time he signed, very few of us would have preferred we let him walk. With hindsight, an argument could be made we should have waited another year. The very coach you credit/applaud in your post felt he was worth it. I trust him and his decision. It's a whole other conversation, but judging a super bowl quarterback 6 games into a season where his line sucks and his star RB is a shadow of his former self is unfair. Very few, if any, QB's in his situation would excel. Just my opinion.

The Gurley extension is fair game to criticize. I felt it was an absolute need to get him resigned, but was a bit hesitant of the timing (i.e. could have waited a year) and moreseo over the dollars spent. At the time, he was a top 3 RB who was still young and the backbone of team. Again, a must-sign. Did they rush the decision on a position that is certainly more replaceable than QB? Perhaps. But there is no denying the talent and it's easy to understand why they wanted him in the building.

I respectfully don't buy the "1st round pick is a must" to continue to find cheap labor. Look back at ANY draft over the past 10 years and you can cherry pick almost half of the players selected that didn't make a difference. NO GM strikes on all of them. For every Donald there is an Austin. For every Newsome there are far more Millens.

This leads to the Snead/Demoff comments. Regarding Demoff, I have absolutely no idea why you aren't a fan of his. I think he's managed the cap and contracts magnificently. His strategy of front loading the guarantees and allowing flexibility to get out later has been outstanding. We have yet to truly lose a player of strong value due entirely to being in cap hell. That day is likely coming in the next year or two with JJ, Kupp, Littleton, etc. coming due. But I think we have to understand that part of that is the benefit of having extremely elite talent on the roster currently. Those guys cost money. It's hard to have it both ways. Many fans out there root for teams with very few star players that don't spend all of their cap money. We are talented and should feel blessed.

Snead makes mistakes, for sure. ALL GM's do. But I appreciate that he makes them being aggressive be it in the draft or via trade. I love it. And I expect him to miss often because it's simply not easy. I'll take the Cooks trade if it means we're going to lose on the Peters trade, for example. A fan could literally pick from any GM in the league and say "I wish we had that guy as our GM" and we all could review his record of transactions and find many misses. In this regard, I'm unsure of what you are hoping for.

I stated this in the opening, but I believe the combination of McVay/Snead/Demoff are the best in our history. I'm not going to let a 3-3 start or even an underachieving season blur that body of work. I simply trust them more than any combo I have observed since my fandom began in '78.

Respectfully,

Wisconsinram

 

[Steve808]

Robert Saleh is one of the better DCs in the league and he's gonna be an HC next year. His defenses gave us problems even when he had absolute garbage players.

Our biggest issue in that game was 3/4 downs. Our D gave up too many first on 3rd down and our O couldn't convert a 3rd down.

It was a division game, they have a ton of confidence and swagger, the offense isn't relying on Jimmy G to slang it around and teams quickly are going to recognize that and force the 9ers to beat them in the air and other than Kittle and Godwin, they don't really have anyone.

I expect there schedule to tighten up and for teams to start playing that offense more aggressively to shut down the run and force Jimmy G to win... and I think they'll have limited success.

Heck, the 1995 Rams started out 5-1, got shellacked by the 9ers and then kept getting shellacked the rest of the year.

When teams figure out to sell out to stop the run and force Jimmy G to beat them with his arm, that 9er team is a 500 team at best and that's with Saleh's defense.

I'll give true props if they win some hard games and finish 13-3 or better. I don't see that happening.

I could be wrong, but I agree with you. The Kurt Warner 1999 Rams had the same tag, that we played a soft schedule.

But I'm hearing on NFL news that the whiners beat us up and blew us out. Really? If Brown gets the TD awarded to him and Jimmy G doesn't on the goal line (both were questionable and I think both didn't score). Jimmy G threw a pick in the end zone and he threw Littleton a pick six that was dropped. That could have turned the game in our favor.

And the Fumble to start the second half didn't help