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I read multiple time daily, but rarely post. That said, I am really surprised by some of the responses to the trades made today. A few rants...

*We're not trading Cooks, for God's sake. First, have you ever heard McVay talk about him? Loves him. Second, he's the primary deep threat. Scheming to stop Woods and Kupp leaves safeties two yards closer to the box. You have to have a threat to take the top off. It's silly talk.

*I get the o-line crowd as that's the most obvious need. And it's an obvious and glaring need. But my goodness, don't equate the two together. There's two weeks left before the trade deadline and they've made it clear they still plan on finishing the season strong.

*The picks. It was a steep price to pay. But I laugh at those that are suggesting the only way to address the oline is to have a first rounder. A Q. Nelson-type was not dropping into the 20's for us to take him in the next two years. Good teams can find a way to produce average or above olinemen. There are many examples out there. The position is dire, but not having a first doesn't prevent them from addressing it.

*The Peters trade was an indicator they plan on being a little more active in FA this year. They knew they'd get a 3rd-ish as compensation the following year if they weren't active in FA and instead took the guaranteed 5th this year.

*Salary cap- It's going to go up. In addition, all great teams that sustain success over time draft well in rounds 2-7 and the UFDA route. The Rams have been great at this and it will need to continue. More than anything, what has Demoff/Snead ever done to make any of us doubt their ability to sign the guys they really want? There has been no one that has left they have wanted that has gone on to make us regret the decision. Have faith!

*And yes, I believe they find a way to keep Littleton.

*I LOVE the approach by the F.O. I remember all too vividly the times we were sitting idly by 6 games in waiting for next year. The attitude that permeates from this front office is first rate. Winner approach.

*Losses- Ramsey is going to cost us, for sure. I suspect we won't see Mathews, Weddle, Brockers, Talib, Fowlers and others outside of a few restructured deals. But this is what good teams do....they keep searching for the right guys.

*I just don't understand how so many post continuously about the problems the team has and then second-guess the F.O. when they attempt to make change? Ramsey was never coming for less than two firsts. The cost was no surprise. Without knowing what other players might have actually cost, what did folks want? To stand pat? I just don't get it.

Sorry for the rant, but I was excited to read the board and bummed to see so many second-guessed a front office that is likely the best we've ever had.
 

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I read multiple time daily, but rarely post. That said, I am really surprised by some of the responses to the trades made today. A few rants...

*We're not trading Cooks, for God's sake. First, have you ever heard McVay talk about him? Loves him. Second, he's the primary deep threat. Scheming to stop Woods and Kupp leaves safeties two yards closer to the box. You have to have a threat to take the top off. It's silly talk.

*I get the o-line crowd as that's the most obvious need. And it's an obvious and glaring need. But my goodness, don't equate the two together. There's two weeks left before the trade deadline and they've made it clear they still plan on finishing the season strong.

*The picks. It was a steep price to pay. But I laugh at those that are suggesting the only way to address the oline is to have a first rounder. A Q. Nelson-type was not dropping into the 20's for us to take him in the next two years. Good teams can find a way to produce average or above olinemen. There are many examples out there. The position is dire, but not having a first doesn't prevent them from addressing it.

*The Peters trade was an indicator they plan on being a little more active in FA this year. They knew they'd get a 3rd-ish as compensation the following year if they weren't active in FA and instead took the guaranteed 5th this year.

*Salary cap- It's going to go up. In addition, all great teams that sustain success over time draft well in rounds 2-7 and the UFDA route. The Rams have been great at this and it will need to continue. More than anything, what has Demoff/Snead ever done to make any of us doubt their ability to sign the guys they really want? There has been no one that has left they have wanted that has gone on to make us regret the decision. Have faith!

*And yes, I believe they find a way to keep Littleton.

*I LOVE the approach by the F.O. I remember all too vividly the times we were sitting idly by 6 games in waiting for next year. The attitude that permeates from this front office is first rate. Winner approach.

*Losses- Ramsey is going to cost us, for sure. I suspect we won't see Mathews, Weddle, Brockers, Talib, Fowlers and others outside of a few restructured deals. But this is what good teams do....they keep searching for the right guys.

*I just don't understand how so many post continuously about the problems the team has and then second-guess the F.O. when they attempt to make change? Ramsey was never coming for less than two firsts. The cost was no surprise. Without knowing what other players might have actually cost, what did folks want? To stand pat? I just don't get it.

Sorry for the rant, but I was excited to read the board and bummed to see so many second-guessed a front office that is likely the best we've ever had.

Agree with everything except Cooks. Unfortunately, Ramsey - as well as other players like Littleton, JJ3, Kupp, possibly Everett - are going to put a bind on our cap, no matter how high it rises. Cooks is an easy contract to move. Havenstein and Gurley are likely not going to be here, and I still don't like the Higbee deal.

I agree with everything else, mind you, and I'm absolutely hyped for this team in a way I wasn't after the loss to the 69ers. Just the one thing, is all. :D
 

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I read multiple time daily, but rarely post. That said, I am really surprised by some of the responses to the trades made today. A few rants...

*We're not trading Cooks, for God's sake. First, have you ever heard McVay talk about him? Loves him. Second, he's the primary deep threat. Scheming to stop Woods and Kupp leaves safeties two yards closer to the box. You have to have a threat to take the top off. It's silly talk.

*I get the o-line crowd as that's the most obvious need. And it's an obvious and glaring need. But my goodness, don't equate the two together. There's two weeks left before the trade deadline and they've made it clear they still plan on finishing the season strong.

*The picks. It was a steep price to pay. But I laugh at those that are suggesting the only way to address the oline is to have a first rounder. A Q. Nelson-type was not dropping into the 20's for us to take him in the next two years. Good teams can find a way to produce average or above olinemen. There are many examples out there. The position is dire, but not having a first doesn't prevent them from addressing it.

*The Peters trade was an indicator they plan on being a little more active in FA this year. They knew they'd get a 3rd-ish as compensation the following year if they weren't active in FA and instead took the guaranteed 5th this year.

*Salary cap- It's going to go up. In addition, all great teams that sustain success over time draft well in rounds 2-7 and the UFDA route. The Rams have been great at this and it will need to continue. More than anything, what has Demoff/Snead ever done to make any of us doubt their ability to sign the guys they really want? There has been no one that has left they have wanted that has gone on to make us regret the decision. Have faith!

*And yes, I believe they find a way to keep Littleton.

*I LOVE the approach by the F.O. I remember all too vividly the times we were sitting idly by 6 games in waiting for next year. The attitude that permeates from this front office is first rate. Winner approach.

*Losses- Ramsey is going to cost us, for sure. I suspect we won't see Mathews, Weddle, Brockers, Talib, Fowlers and others outside of a few restructured deals. But this is what good teams do....they keep searching for the right guys.

*I just don't understand how so many post continuously about the problems the team has and then second-guess the F.O. when they attempt to make change? Ramsey was never coming for less than two firsts. The cost was no surprise. Without knowing what other players might have actually cost, what did folks want? To stand pat? I just don't get it.

Sorry for the rant, but I was excited to read the board and bummed to see so many second-guessed a front office that is likely the best we've ever had.

Other than that I believe both Weedle & Matthews will return in 2020, agree completely.
 

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*I LOVE the approach by the F.O. I remember all too vividly the times we were sitting idly by 6 games in waiting for next year. The attitude that permeates from this front office is first rate. Winner approach.
*I just don't understand how so many post continuously about the problems the team has and then second-guess the F.O. when they attempt to make change? Ramsey was never coming for less than two firsts. The cost was no surprise. Without knowing what other players might have actually cost, what did folks want? To stand pat? I just don't get it.

Ditto and Ditto.

At least these guys aren't just sitting idly by, hoping things get better, working with players that are mismatched to the scheme (Peters) while being afraid to make bold moves. I remember numerous times in the past where the Rams would be in trouble or have need and there was a move to be made ... only to watch again and again, the Rams not make it. Now they are.

With regard to the Ramsey move, ask any GM in the league these two questions, and I bet all of them would say "hell yes!"

1. Would you like to have a defense with Aaron Donald on the front end and Jalen Ramsey on the back end?
2. Would you give up a lot to have such a defense?

For the Rams and their fans, those aren't hypotheticals anymore.
 

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I disagree with the notion that you draft for the offensive line in the first round.

Instead, I like defense in the first, they start sooner and have a better impact on the team relative to the salary cap. The obvious exception being quarterback because you just have to get your guy.

OL takes so long to develop that I prefer they seek that answer through free agency. So no problem there, especially considering the pickle they’re in getting into next year when considering the current performance of our younger offensive lineman.

Finally, they’ll likely be desperate to hold on to Ramsey for the draft capital invested, and desperate isn’t a good position for contract negotiation.

That said, I’ll bite my tongue and let everyone enjoy the moment just like the Gurley contract.

I’ll also remain optimistic that this works out holistically and am genuinely excited to see his contribution on defense, as I am also pleasantly surprised to see us cut bait with the sunk cost that is Marcus Peters.
 

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With weddle and clay back after the bye we will have 4 hall of famers, 2 in their prime, staring on an 11 man defense. Could be worse.
 

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*We're not trading Cooks, for God's sake. First, have you ever heard McVay talk about him? Loves him. Second, he's the primary deep threat. Scheming to stop Woods and Kupp leaves safeties two yards closer to the box. You have to have a threat to take the top off. It's silly talk.

3 bad concussions in 18 months is not silly talk. He's another big hit away from 4.

Also Cooper Kupp and Robert Woods are more reliable WRs making less money. Sure wish one of those two 50/50 balls in the Super Bowl went to one of them instead of Cooks.
 

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With weddle and clay back after the bye we will have 4 hall of famers, 2 in their prime, staring on an 11 man defense. Could be worse.

Justin Lawler may not be all that far from a return either, although I haven't heard any recent news of him.
 

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Well thought out post. You need to post more often. Agree with Mem around the cap but wouldn't be surprised if Cooks stays.
 

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I read multiple time daily, but rarely post. That said, I am really surprised by some of the responses to the trades made today. A few rants...

*We're not trading Cooks, for God's sake. First, have you ever heard McVay talk about him? Loves him. Second, he's the primary deep threat. Scheming to stop Woods and Kupp leaves safeties two yards closer to the box. You have to have a threat to take the top off. It's silly talk.

*I get the o-line crowd as that's the most obvious need. And it's an obvious and glaring need. But my goodness, don't equate the two together. There's two weeks left before the trade deadline and they've made it clear they still plan on finishing the season strong.

*The picks. It was a steep price to pay. But I laugh at those that are suggesting the only way to address the oline is to have a first rounder. A Q. Nelson-type was not dropping into the 20's for us to take him in the next two years. Good teams can find a way to produce average or above olinemen. There are many examples out there. The position is dire, but not having a first doesn't prevent them from addressing it.

*The Peters trade was an indicator they plan on being a little more active in FA this year. They knew they'd get a 3rd-ish as compensation the following year if they weren't active in FA and instead took the guaranteed 5th this year.

*Salary cap- It's going to go up. In addition, all great teams that sustain success over time draft well in rounds 2-7 and the UFDA route. The Rams have been great at this and it will need to continue. More than anything, what has Demoff/Snead ever done to make any of us doubt their ability to sign the guys they really want? There has been no one that has left they have wanted that has gone on to make us regret the decision. Have faith!

*And yes, I believe they find a way to keep Littleton.

*I LOVE the approach by the F.O. I remember all too vividly the times we were sitting idly by 6 games in waiting for next year. The attitude that permeates from this front office is first rate. Winner approach.

*Losses- Ramsey is going to cost us, for sure. I suspect we won't see Mathews, Weddle, Brockers, Talib, Fowlers and others outside of a few restructured deals. But this is what good teams do....they keep searching for the right guys.

*I just don't understand how so many post continuously about the problems the team has and then second-guess the F.O. when they attempt to make change? Ramsey was never coming for less than two firsts. The cost was no surprise. Without knowing what other players might have actually cost, what did folks want? To stand pat? I just don't get it.

Sorry for the rant, but I was excited to read the board and bummed to see so many second-guessed a front office that is likely the best we've ever had.

When you come down to it we have had two years success under this FO. Remember, Snead existed before McVay and we sucked. In the last two years we have Kupp, Reynolds and Everett from the draft. Kupp is really the only plus player. All in all McVay was the difference.

Prior to Mcvay Snead has his fair share of busts like Robinson and Austin.

Some call these trades bold. I call them desperate.,
 

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Other than that I believe both Weedle & Matthews will return in 2020, agree completely.

I'd like to see Fowler return, but if his leaving means means getting Scherff, then yeah, do that.
 

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Sorry for the rant, but I was excited to read the board and bummed to see so many second-guessed a front office that is likely the best we've ever had.

Nice to have you post. The Rams front office is not infallible. They also like to spend or overspend on players IMO. A lot of moves today that can take time for many to evaluate. I am surprised by the Ramsey trade. I'm not sold on it at the moment.
 

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3 bad concussions in 18 months is not silly talk. He's another big hit away from 4.

Also Cooper Kupp and Robert Woods are more reliable WRs making less money. Sure wish one of those two 50/50 balls in the Super Bowl went to one of them instead of Cooks.
I bet if that was Woods it would be a TD! Guy has the will and hand strength.
I love Cooks but agree. To many concussions and once you get to 3-4 you start degrading per the stats.
 

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There are only 2 types of people in this world......those who understand the Ramsey trade, and those who do not- Shahid Khan 2019
 

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Bit of a surprise to wake up to this morning.

Not sure what to think at the moment, but I am sure there is a plan in place.
It does leave me wondering what is going to happen next and are these going to be the only moves...
 

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About the HOF discussion. Do any of you think Talib has a slight chance to make the HOF? I think we have 5 HOF talents on our defense, not 4.
 

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Not sure about FA next year. By my calculations when all is said and done from these moves, they will have about $27M in cap space with Ramsey counting 13M for his option.

So if he gets his new deal, that might be another $7M. So they are then sitting at $20M and still need to add 13 players to roster with only 40 under contract. So that's another $7M for just min contracts.

So that leaves them with about $13M left before any cuts.

Say they cut / restructure and clear up about $10M, that gets you back to $23M.

So that allows to resign Littleton, Zeurlien, and I think they also use any extra $$ to resign Kupp early and maybe Johnson.

I think they let Fowler walk because they will comp picks.

For 2021, they only have a 2,3,6,7

I mean just for any potential trades they would want more ammo.

So Fowler could get them a 3 or 4. Bortles a 5, if he sees no time this year to give anyone a sense he has improved.

Maybe they trade a vet to pick up another pick or two.

Anyway, I think they play the comp pick game. So they might pick up released players and resign their own key guys, but their eyes will be towards recouping picks.
 

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Also, anyone else feel that Sunday convinced them to move on from Fowler?

Those key offsides penalties, that showed a lack of discipline, and still not making enough of an impact on the pass rush might have been noteworthy.

Could it be that led them also in part to decide to use his potential new contract money instead on Ramsey?

Could have been a deciding factor to pull the trigger on the deal.