Greg Robinson could be tried at guard for the Cardinals game

[RedRam]

I would Trade him to the Jets for a 1st round pick in 2017!!

I've been so frustrated with him that I'd trade him for a Klondike Bar! :rimshot:

 

[DaveFan'51]

When you say, "Pancaking," are saying he was serving them pancakes at breakfast?

Riiiiiiight!!:shades:

 

[bubbaramfan]

Deiter nailed it. Coaching.

I agree with moving GRob to G, not because he's playing that badly at LT, but because he's being targeted by the officials. More than half the penalties called on him are bogus. Moving him inside might hide him some.

GRob is ready to turn the corner. Another off season with Le Charles Bentley and a new coaching staff might be all it takes. I watched GRob at TC, he pancaked Quinn, Simms and Hayes more than a few times. He has showed in games he can be as good as any LT in the league. Consistency is his biggest problem.

If the Rams let GRob walk, he will sign with another team and excel. He'll play 15 years and make multiple Pro-Bowls. And everyone here will cry "why did the Rams let him walk?

 

[MTRamsFan]

I've been an advocate of moving him inside for a couple reasons. First, he has bad feet which causes him to lunge and grab when a defender gets around him. Second, we keep hearing he is a strong/physical guy. Where do you want this type of guy? You want him between the tackles to bolster the running game. It's like I've said before, there are some guys who work well in space and those who do not. G-Rob does not work well in space, and to me the guard position would be a better use of his talent which is a mauling run blocker. Tackles need to be more mobile because defenders coming off the edge are so fast. If you look at most edge rushers, they are around 250-265 pounds with speed. We need guys who can negate the speed because they too are agile.

Also, I really hope the new OC and O-Line coaches are not advocates of the zone blocking scheme. We need to get away from that philosophy. Never liked this blocking scheme.

 

[tomas]

Greg Robinson has talent. Someone else is gonna make him look All Pro, you watch

You can't teach someone to be "smart"

 

[ramfan46]

The Robert Gallery Plan! I know squat about O line technique, but I do notice that Greg tends to stop moving his feet upon first contact a lot. Maybe he won't have this problem inside and can just drive off the snap into his defender. We'll see how much he ends up on the ground though. He's just got to stop lunging because smart defenders are using that leverage against him to make him look silly on plays.

 

[Memento]

Well, at least he's going to play. I don't get the healthy scratches. G-Rob has actually been pretty decent this year, penalties aside.

 

[RamsFlash80]

I still think GRob can be salvaged with good coaching whether its at OT or OG. Why is it our whole young O-line has regressed? It seems like a coaching issue imo. GRob should get another year under the new HC before we cut bait. Not ready to give up on him yet.

 

[Snaz]

Robinson has not played a game at guard since he joined the Rams in 2014. Fassel said he would decide on the offensive-line personnel before the Rams return to practice Tuesday afternoon.

He started 3 Games at Guard before Jake Long got hurt and then he switched to LT

 

[CGI_Ram]

It's more than just penalties... he also gets beat badly

GRob struggles to stay balanced, at times. Some of it is technique (could be improved with coaching) but my money is on concentration and focus.

At his position, the best are locked in nearly 100% of the time. If I had a concern with GRob's ability to salvage this... I worry he may just not have the mental makeup to match his physical gifts.

 

[Jacobarch]

I agree with the fact that he has terrible feet and technique. He has all of the tools but mentally he can't put it together, and you can't coach that. Maybe he'll mature because he's so young. Some people eventually put it together but most don't. I say put him at guard and leave him there. There is much less movement at guard and you're almost never dealing with speed rushers on the inside. I agree he has also been flagged by officials and now has a target on his back but he has no one to blame but himself. Actually i put 50% of the blame on Fisher because he should have never put such an unfinished product on the field. Especially when Jake Mathews and Taylor Lewan were sitting there. Oh and BTW they are both top LT's in the league already. hahahah uhhhhhhhg!uke:

 

[ramfan46]

I agree with the fact that he has terrible feet and technique. He has all of the tools but mentally he can't put it together, and you can't coach that. Maybe he'll mature because he's so young. Some people eventually put it together but most don't. I say put him at guard and leave him there. There is much less movement at guard and you're almost never dealing with speed rushers on the inside. I agree he has also been flagged by officials and now has a target on his back but he has no one to blame but himself. Actually i put 50% of the blame on Fisher because he should have never put such an unfinished product on the field. Especially when Jake Mathews and Taylor Lewan were sitting there. Oh and BTW they are both top LT's in the league already. hahahah uhhhhhhhg!uke:

I was thinking to myself early in the year that he might really benefit from a position change AND a number change. He has a certain reputation now with officials IMO. I'm curious if he can just focus in and become a mauler inside. He just seems very nervous out in space and unsure of what to do. Make it as easy for him as possible, he doesn't seem like he processes split second decisions like stunts very well.

 

[Merlin]

I'm all for them dressing Robinson due to his flexibility with LT if Roger can't finish. But I am NOT for them giving him another starting position when he is a dumb player that makes mistakes and hasn't earned that OG job. That is the same BS that I have criticized Fish and company for so many times, rewarding guys who are not producing at the desired level with more playing time.

He needs to be on the bench. As to next year, that is a completely different conversation, because whatever the interim coach does with him does not matter for the next regime. He is a 2 overall pick with enormous physical gifts, the new staff will try to coach him up and get his head screwed on straight because they will need to see his success or failure with their own eyes.

 

[Dieter the Brock]

You can't teach someone to be "smart"

On that note has Rob Havenstein suddenly become dumb too? Or just the big kid from Auburn?

 

[fearsomefour]

LOL

 

[Corbin]

Let me ask you this (anyone who wants to answer); if he didn't have the penalty problem, how would you rate his play?

The penalties imply to me he's thinking too much and it's got to be zapping his looseness out there. Maybe guard will help him for at least a period of time. I'm not writing him off as a T just yet.

That said... I am REALLY having a hard time getting past all this premium draft talent struggling on offense; Gurley, Austin, Goff, GRob, Havenstein, Higbee, Quick, etc. Did we really just pick suspect players? Or is the whole offense broke?

I'm leaning the latter.

Whoever comes in as coaches has some work to do on that side of the ball sorting through all this.

I think it's a combination of a few things. First off their strategy, and this is from Demoff, is to draft raw upside guys with the thought that these top notch coaches will coach them up. It was a failed strategy due in part to not having top notch coaches and the risk of drafting raw players in general. So they drafted busts and they coached poorly. You don't have a horrible side of the ball just due to lack of talent or poor coaching. It's totally both.

What bothers me is the regression after good rookie years. Givens, Richardson, Stacy, Mason, Gurley, Havenstien all looked like good players as rookies and regressed horribly in their second years. That's what bugs me. We can blame the coaches, but a few of those guys have moved on and still aren't any good.

Great questions and points CGI and I think I agree a whole lot with Fro as to what the problems are.

I never thought he could be gettting in his own way mentally with all the penalties but it has waaaaay more to do than just that. He doesn't look mentally prepared like totally whiffing or blowing assignments entirely and I don't know if it's him not preparing mentally, having collect brain farts a thing the wrong moments or him just just not having the football acumen to do basic tasks which entails him being a penalty machine for him making up for lack of technique and being out of correct position to make a block.

That also delves into why are we drafting just for upside it seems, why we don't build them up to why we drafted them for the upside, and who is in charge of this philosophy. Honestly I have to lean towards Fisher being the common denominator with him having final say before he even stepped into the door as our head coach.
The second part like Fro said is very poor coaching. I have no love for Coach Bou. He seems to me as an enigma that nobody knows where he is? I never see interviews or videos or even him on hard knocks. This guy has done poor with the given results. I can't wait till we clean house and see who we bring in to assess and hopefully help some of these draft blunders (GR) but some I see no hope for and hope we just cut ties with (Quick).

 

[wolfdogg]

I will first go out on a limb and say ALL the offensive coaching has been horrendous. As for greg, I see him as I do quick. Both have the initial allure with their size and potential, but after several years, still have us assigning blame to some other factor than maybe they just can't be a starter at their respective positions.

I'm pretty sure on day 1 at Bentleys camp they may have covered the old, whatever you do, if you're ahead late in the game and need a first down to run out the clock and you're chasing a defender who is many yards from your qb who is about to get the first down, do not put both hands on the back of the defender's jersey and push him down right in front of an official.

I've always liked greg and have had big hopes for the guy but I think he may be best at guard. I'd play him there this week to see if that is a possibility because if it's not, and yes I think we'd get an adequate feel for it after one game, then the rams need to expedite battles development.

 

[RedRam]

I agree with the fact that he has terrible feet and technique. He has all of the tools but mentally he can't put it together, and you can't coach that. Maybe he'll mature because he's so young. Some people eventually put it together but most don't. I say put him at guard and leave him there. There is much less movement at guard and you're almost never dealing with speed rushers on the inside. I agree he has also been flagged by officials and now has a target on his back but he has no one to blame but himself. Actually i put 50% of the blame on Fisher because he should have never put such an unfinished product on the field. Especially when Jake Mathews and Taylor Lewan were sitting there. Oh and BTW they are both top LT's in the league already. hahahah uhhhhhhhg!uke:

I was pulling for Lewan when we had the chance. I went to school with his mom. Inside info...

 

[bubbaramfan]

When GRob had Garrett Reynolds next to him at LG the last 5 games of '15, he didn't have one holding or false start. He didn't allow a sack. Gurley ran amok. Saffold is not helping him the way Reynolds did.
gurlye
But then they let Reynolds walk, put Saffold at LG. and the season was over, OL stunk, Gurley had trouble getting the handoff before at DT beat him to it.............

 

[hotanez]

When GRob had Garrett Reynolds next to him at LG the last 5 games of '15, he didn't have one holding or false start. He didn't allow a sack. Gurley ran amok. Saffold is not helping him the way Reynolds did.
gurlye
But then they let Reynolds walk, put Saffold at LG. and the season was over, OL stunk, Gurley had trouble getting the handoff before at DT beat him to it.............

I will give you that Robinson looked better in those games with Reynolds but after Gurley's amazing start he didn't do much for the last part of the season. My biggest worry in the offseason was the run blocking improving because it really was below average last season. I can't believe it but it got a lot worst.