Goff vs Warner ('99 and '01)

[Loyal]

Pretty amazing....
'99 Kurt Warner (16 games)
4,353 and 41 TD's

'01 Kurt Warner (16 games)
4,830 and 36 TD's
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'18 Jared Goff (11 games)
3,547 and 26 TD's

'18 Jared Goff (16 games projected)
5,159 and 38 TD's

 

[Sleepy1711]

Not too shabby for a bust...lol

 

[Florida_Ram]

 

[kurtfaulk]

Pretty amazing....
'99 Kurt Warner (16 games)
4,353 and 41 TD's

'01 Kurt Warner (16 games)
4,830 and 36 TD's
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'18 Jared Goff (11 games)
3,547 and 26 TD's

'18 Jared Goff (16 games projected)
5,159 and 38 TD's

It's a shame Kurt got injured in the 2000 season. He was gonna set records that were gonna last for 50 years.

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[Loyal]

It's a shame Kurt got injured in the 2000 season. He was gonna set records that were gonna last for 50 years.

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Guess we'll never know. I now want Goff to shatter Kurt's records, if he can.

 

[psxpaul]

Goff is doing great, but you can't really compare today's game to 20 years ago. Warner had the #1 passer rating in 1999 with 109.2. This year, he would be 7th and just above Cam Newton at 102.7. Hell, league average this year is 94.4, which would have been 3rd best in 1999.

 

[96GS#007]

System Quarterback

 

[Loyal]

Goff is doing great, but you can't really compare today's game to 20 years ago. Warner had the #1 passer rating in 1999 with 109.2. This year, he would be 7th and just above Cam Newton at 102.7. Hell, league average this year is 94.4, which would have been 3rd best in 1999.

Well, you can...because the record books just record stats, and context passes away after the years pass. No one talks about context really when looking at Warner's numbers and then comparing with Rodger Staubach's numbers

 

[Karate61]

Well, you can...because the record books just record stats, and context passes away after the years pass. No one talks about context really when looking at Warner's numbers and then comparing with Rodger Staubach's numbers

Yes you can. Significantly different rules skews the perception of the stats. By the time the future arrives, no one will care about these qbs anyway. Also, who's Rodger Staubach?

 

[Ellard80]

Goff is doing great, but you can't really compare today's game to 20 years ago. Warner had the #1 passer rating in 1999 with 109.2. This year, he would be 7th and just above Cam Newton at 102.7. Hell, league average this year is 94.4, which would have been 3rd best in 1999.

Comparing the passing game now to 20 years ago isn't really viable.

It's so different now.

Warner does not have the arm talent that Goff has.

Warner was one of the best ever though at standing in the pocket and getting wacked - and he still delivered the ball on time. To me that was Warner's greatest attribute.

If you blitzed Warner you were dead.

But all things considered one would think Goff's headed for greater numbers than warner could ever have gotten.

But lets get those super bowls please.

 

[Loyal]

Yes you can. Significantly different rules skews the perception of the stats. By the time the future arrives, no one will care about these qbs anyway. Also, who's Rodger Staubach?

WE can because we lived through these eras...Stat slaves will declare the new flavor of the month as the best player/team etc...and will not remember how truly great Staubach, Bradshaw, the "Snake" Stabler and Tarkington...were during the mid 70's. We are a bunch of old codgers in here, but if I was to ask 20 something Rams fans who these guys were, I don't think they would know. And maybe not even who Vince Ferragamo was....*shrugs

 

[Karate61]

WE can because we lived through these eras...

Yes. That was my point. I lived through Warner and now Goff. So, I can confidently say that Warner (at this point in time) was better than Goff is now, because of what he had to deal with. Warner was getting the shit kicked out of him every game, yet he got right back up and put up those stats. I can go.on, but I think you understand my point.

In Warner's time, what he did was considered miraculous. He broke records, etc. All hail Warner.

Today, Goff isn't even getting MVP recognition because of the other QBs out there.

And, there's your difference. Warner stood out like the President, and Goff is just another Senator(as an analogy).

So, I don't think "stats" alone is a full and true comparison.

75 years from now, when people look at stats, that's all they'll have. They won't know all that surrounded those stats, etc. (unless they dive in historically).

 

[Loyal]

Yes. That was my point. I lived through Warner and now Goff. So, I can confidently say that Warner (at this point in time) was better than Goff is now, because of what he had to deal with. Warner was getting the crap kicked out of him every game, yet he got right back up and put up those stats. I can go.on, but I think you understand my point.

In Warner's time, what he did was considered miraculous. He broke records, etc. All hail Warner.

Today, Goff isn't even getting MVP recognition because of the other QBs out there.

And, there's your difference. Warner stood out like the President, and Goff is just another Senator(as an analogy).

So, I don't think "stats" alone is a full and true comparison.

75 years from now, when people look at stats, that's all they'll have. They won't know all that surrounded those stats, etc. (unless they dive in historically).

Well, Kurt was 5-6 years older as a starter than was Goff. At age 28, Goff might have a super bowl or two under his belt!

 

[kurtfaulk]

In Warner's time, what he did was considered miraculous. He broke records, etc. All hail Warner.

amen.

but when it's all said and done goff has the best possible situation to become one of the best ever. warner had a coach that didn't give a fuck about the qb, let him get hit so many times a game. mcvay protects goff so well so he won't be shell shocked after a few seasons in the league.

btw, kurt is the best i've ever seen. (from 1990)

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[Karate61]

amen.

but when it's all said and done goff has the best possible situation to become one of the best ever. warner had a coach that didn't give a freak about the qb, let him get hit so many times a game. mcvay protects goff so well so he won't be shell shocked after a few seasons in the league.

btw, kurt is the best i've ever seen. (from 1990)

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If Goff's career exceeds Warner's, I ain't gonna complain! lol

Like you most likely, I love them both!

Ferragamo is my favorite for cachet though!

 

[Rambitious1]

Pretty amazing....
'99 Kurt Warner (16 games)
4,353 and 41 TD's

'01 Kurt Warner (16 games)
4,830 and 36 TD's
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'18 Jared Goff (11 games)
3,547 and 26 TD's

'18 Jared Goff (16 games projected)
5,159 and 38 TD's

As much as I love me some Goff, IMHO this is an apples and oranges comparison.
Kurt did it in a MUCH less favorable time and environment for offenses. Not even close.

 

[tklongball]

It's a shame Kurt got injured in the 2000 season. He was gonna set records that were gonna last for 50 years.

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Yea, after 5 games he was on pace for 6200+ Yards passing. They were 5-0 averaging 43.4 Points per game. It is a damn shame he got hurt that year. That offense, that year, was like nothing I have ever seen.

 

[Loyal]

As much as I love me some Goff, IMHO this is an apples and oranges comparison.
Kurt did it in a MUCH less favorable time and environment for offenses. Not even close.

Would it cheapen a Rams Super Bowl win this year, since the players didn't play under the GSOT environment? Conditions change and players play in the regulations and systems they are given. How many yards and TD's would Goff have to pass for to be considered better than Warner? Or is it impossible for Goff to pass Warner in some adjusted measurement? I could point to Roman Gabriel, whose numbers are so much less than Warner's.....but played in the era of anything goes, with Deacon Jones headslaps and worse. Gabriel was considered a great one at the time, and yet has no chance to enter the HOF because his numbers don't compare with Warner's or today's QB's.Only way he gets in, is as an old timer...

 

[Karate61]

Would it cheapen a Rams Super Bowl win this year, since the players didn't play under the GSOT environment?

Bad question.

Today's game is different than the game Warner played in. Warner put up those numbers where many rules then made it much harder to do so as compared to do so in today's game.

Scoring was much lower prior to the 3-point shot and the 24 second clock in the NBA. Today's NBA is a totally different game. Putting up 50 points then is much harder then today. Same concept in the NFL.

If Rams win the Super Bowl this year, they'll have done it against teams playing under the same circumstances, so it wouldn't cheapen a win.

 

[TexasRam]

Goff will have plenty of games ahead of him to show if he is a big game QB that raises his game under pressure.

last night vs the Chiefs was our first glimpse that he has the "ice in veins" gene.