GDT: Super Bowl LV: Chiefs vs Buccaneers

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Super Bowl LV (55) Prediction and Preview: Kansas City Chiefs vs. Tampa Bay Buccaneers

As COVID-19 rages on, the fact the Kansas City Chiefs and Tampa Bay Buccaneers are playing Super Bowl LV is impressive enough. The championship game (Sunday, Feb. 7 at 6:30 p.m. ET on CBS) ends a 2020 NFL season like no other, completed with just a handful of postponements despite a pandemic that seemingly wipes out half the college basketball schedule every week.

But as the opening skit of "SNL" illustrated this past weekend, despite so much being different in the world today, this Super Bowl has a hint of familiarity. The Chiefs are back for a second straight year, seeking to be the first back-to-back Super Bowl winners since... Tom Brady and the New England Patriots (XXXVIII & XXXIX). It's a record set 15 years ago, the first sparks of a dynasty as Brady was entering the prime of his late 20s.

But who's that sitting across the field from the Chiefs? In position for Super Bowl title number seven? None other than the GOAT himself, Brady at age 43 and hungry for revenge after work divorcing the Patriots-slash-head coach Bill Belichick last summer. Brady's brought along a hungry cast of characters, luring former top target Rob Gronkowski out of retirement and making the Antonio Brown experiment work where it failed in New England. Add in head coach Bruce Arians, who would be the oldest Super Bowl winner at his position (age 68), and there's plenty of people desperate for a first ring to mesh with Brady's unyielding competitive fire.

The question is whether Father Time can give Brady one last crack at besting Mahomes, the young MVP quarterback redefining the way this position is played. The duo is 2-2 against each other, but Mahomes has won two straight, besting Brady 27-24 this November in a game in which he threw for a season-high 462 yards.

Most see these two quarterbacks in an epic duel, forgetting there are 52 other players on these teams. But there's plenty to delve into for a game that feels fairly even, particularly given the Bucs' home-field advantage. (It's the first time in Super Bowl history one of the participants has played in their own stadium). Let's take a closer look at what to look for as this game unfolds down in Tampa.

Super Bowl LV: Kansas City vs. Tampa Bay

Kickoff: Sunday, Feb. 7 at 6:30 p.m. ET
Where: Raymond James Stadium (Tampa, Fla.)

TV: CBS

Spread: Chiefs -3

Three Things to Watch

1. Patrick Mahomes vs. Tom Brady

Super Bowl Media Week was a bit different in the midst of the pandemic; players taking questions in isolation instead of cornered by thousands of sweaty reporters. But a Zoom Room didn't stop both these elite quarterbacks from gushing internet bromance on just how much respect they have for each other.

"He's got that nice, sweet little whippy arm that I used to have when I was a little bit younger," Brady said of Mahomes. "He's got the athletic ability to extend plays. He's got all the physical and all the mental tools. He's gonna be in this game quite a few more times, in my opinion."

Mahomes, not to be outdone by Brady, returned the platitudes. "As I continue in my career, I am still trying to do whatever I can to watch the tape on him. Because he is doing it the right way, and you can tell be how many Super Bowl championships he has, and the rings on his fingers."

Trash talking, they're not. Legends? Now that's more like it. It's true Mahomes has a ways to go in order to catch Brady's 10 Super Bowl appearances. Then again... a second Super Bowl win Sunday would give him one more Lombardi trophy than Brady had at age 25. A 44-9 record (.830 win percentage) leaves him on a record pace for a quarterback with more than 50 starts.

That early edge transfers into the 2020 postseason. Mahomes has been magical, playing turnover-free football, completing 73.5 percent of his passes, and producing a 118.5 passer rating. His only scare had nothing to do with performance; a concussion suffered late in the Divisional Round snuffed out momentum and nearly cost his team the game against the Cleveland Browns.

Brady's been more inconsistent, struggling during the NFC Championship Game against Green Bay. After building a 28-10 lead, he nearly took it down singlehandedly by throwing picks on three straight drives in the second half. While the Buccaneers held on to win their third straight road game, those types of ugly turnovers happened a bit more regularly this year to a pocket quarterback lacking speed. Brady's 12 regular-season interceptions were the most since 2011, while six rushing yards pale in comparison to Mahomes' 308.

That said, it would be silly to count out Brady. He threw for 345 yards in a losing effort this November; in the 2018 AFC Championship Game, he had two picks and a pedestrian 77.1 passer rating.

The Patriots won. Then they went on to take the Super Bowl. Don't question the intangible leadership qualities of the GOAT, a QB who was winning these games when Mahomes was literally in kindergarten. The 18-year difference between these two signal-callers will go down as a Super Bowl record unlikely to be broken.

2. Can Tampa Bay’s defense slow down Kansas City?

Oh, you're saying other people are involved in this game? Tampa Bay has actually advanced through its defense, producing an NFL-high seven takeaways during the postseason. Five of those have been interceptions, including four from former MVPs and future Hall of Famers, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers.

How do they break through to Mahomes, a quarterback so immune to pressure he hasn't lost a yard on a sack since Dec. 20?

"Discipline," says inside linebacker Lavonte David. "Everybody just latching onto a man whenever we're in man-to-man or if we're in zone coverage just matching onto a guy, being able to take away his zones and reads. At the end of the day, you've just got to get to him as quick as you can, as fast as you can, any way you can because he makes magic outside the pocket."

That laser focus was lost too often back in November, allowing big plays to top Chiefs receiving target Tyreek Hill. Each of Hill's three touchdowns went for 20 yards or more as he piled up 269 yards overall. More than 200 receiving yards in the first quarter alone (on seven catches) left the Bucs with a 17-0 deficit they never overcame. Needless to say, the defense can't do that again but they're still vulnerable; their passing defense ranks 10th out of 14 teams this postseason.

First impressions will mean everything Sunday. It's notable that on the Chiefs side, Mahomes has led the team to just six first-quarter points during his last three games as a starter. (He sat out Week 17 against the Chargers). That type of slow start could invigorate the Bucs D in the same way they gut-punched Rodgers early.

3. Rob Gronkowski vs. Travis Kelce

Gronkowski has been tethered to Tom Brady his whole career. His reward has been three Super Bowls wins in eight years, the key cog in the second half of Brady's Patriots dynasty. But after a successful regular season, the duo hasn't connected yet when it matters most in the playoffs; Gronk has two total catches for 43 yards. Little-known Cameron Brate has more than 100 yards more by comparison.

Can the Brady-Gronkowski connection find its spark again this Sunday? Gronk had his only 100-yard receiving game this season against the Chiefs, nabbing six catches for 106 yards, including a season-best 48-yarder in that razor-thin defeat.

It's Gronk, not the others on this team, who's earned the trust of Brady in big moments. Even in low-scoring Super Bowl LIII against the Rams, it was Gronk who got a sputtering Pats offense over the finish line with the key catch in a 13-3 victory. Even with talents like Brown and Mike Evans on the roster, you feel like Gronk's history leaves him a higher receiving option on Sunday's list than recent stats might make you believe.

It puts him in direct competition with Travis Kelce, the Chiefs' All-Pro tight end who's been on another level this postseason (three touchdowns in two games). Yet the Bucs were able to contain him somewhat back in November, limiting him to just 82 yards (10.3 ypr) and no touchdowns. It's the last NFL game Kelce played in where he didn't score and Gronk simply outplayed him. Will it happen again?

X-Factor: Placekicking

In a high-scoring game, a missed extra point could make the difference. Ryan Succop has been lights out for the Bucs, going 8-for-8 on field goals this postseason, but he did miss an extra point in the Wild Card Round. Six missed PATs overall is a little higher rate than you'd like; only one NFL kicker has missed more.

Who was that? None other than the Chiefs' Harrison Butker, missing one this postseason and seven overall. Butker also botched a field goal attempt vs. Cleveland, adding up to four points that made the difference between a two-possession game and the Browns having the ball with a chance to win. It's a weakness worth tracking in a close game where the simplest mistake changes strategy for two of the game's best head coaches in Bruce Arians and Andy Reid.

Final Analysis

The Chiefs have more talent on both sides of the ball. The Buccaneers have better intangibles with Brady, Arians, and the way this team has filled itself with loose, competitive players who have solid chemistry. Tampa Bay is peaking at the right time to make this game a nail-biter and give Brady a chance at a seventh Super Bowl victory. Arians, like Reid, has nostalgia on his side in trying to get an 0-fer off his back with a dwindling number of chances at the Lombardi Trophy.

Like it or not (and I know many are tired of hearing about him) this game comes down to the play of Brady himself. One interception won't cut it on Sunday, let alone three. He needs a picture-perfect game while the defense pressures Mahomes just enough to create a stop or two.

Expect a high-scoring game, one that comes down to the final possession with the ball in Brady's hands. How confident you feel about him making another miracle should determine which side of this Super Bowl LV coin flip you're on.

As for me? I tend not to bet against the best to ever play at that position.

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Super Bowl LV preview: Chiefs vs. Buccaneers

We are now officially in Super Bowl LV betting week! The Kansas City Chiefs and Tampa Bay Buccaneers square off this Sunday for the Lombardi Trophy to close the 2020 season.

These two weeks before the “Big Game” can be the longest two weeks of a fan’s life and this year it is no different. But, it is always nice to have the teams as healthy as possible. Now that we are closing in on the actual game, we’ll take a look at how these teams stack up to each other heading into Sunday.

This game has a spread of just three points with the Chiefs favored, but there is no truly overwhelming favorite in this game. When looking at the defensive and offensive positions individually, the Buccaneers likely have the advantage, but of course, that isn’t an automatic win in the NFL, which weights quarterback play as the most important.

We’ll take a look at each position and who has the edge on Sunday.

Patrick Mahomes vs. Tom Brady

Edge: Chiefs

Is Tom Brady the greatest of all time? Yes, there’s no doubt that six Super Bowl wins and elite numbers for much of his career give him that moniker. We can argue the point, but the point is legitimate. But, even the sun is eclipsed at some point and Mahomes has proven he is the best quarterback in the league over the last three seasons.

Through three seasons as the Chiefs starter, Mahomes has averaged 364 completions (66.1%) for 4,622 yards, 38 TDs, 7.7 INTs, 9.1 AY/A. 109.3 rate.

Brady’s best three-season stretch came in his 11th to 13th seasons from 2010 to 2012, when he averaged 375 completions (64.7%) for 4,654.5 yards, 36.3 TDs, 8 INTs, 8.7 AY/A. 104.6 rate.

These are very much on par with each other, with Mahomes holding the slight edge, but Mahomes has put these numbers up in his first three seasons, while we wouldn’t want to compare Brady’s first three seasons as to not embarrass him.

What is beyond amazing are the stats Brady put up this season, his 21st season, at the age of 43. He was very much comparable to Mahomes, as Brady had 401 completions (65.7%) for 4,633 yards, 40 TDs, 12 INTs, 8.0 AY/A. 102.2 rate, while Mahomes had 390 completions (66%) for 4,740 yards, 38 TDs, 6 INTs, 8.9 AY/A, 108.2 rate.

Again, the numbers remain comparable despite an 18 year age difference. But, Mahomes was slightly better statistically and was more consistent throughout the season. When we compare their playoff statistics for this season, Mahomes has the edge as well, as he has averaged 25 completions (75%) for 290 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, and a 118.5 rate in two games while Brady has averaged 20 completions (55%) for 286 yards, 2.3 TDs, 1 INT, and a 90.8 rate in three games.

Mahomes will need to do what he’s doing for quite a while to catch up to Brady overall, but going into this Super Bowl, he has the edge and helps balance out the edges that Tampa Bay holds elsewhere.

Chiefs running backs vs. Bucs running backs

Edge: Buccaneers

This one isn’t clear-cut, as Chiefs rookie, Clyde-Edwards Helaire is quite good and if I wanted any of the running backs from this Super Bowl on my team, it would be him. But, Edwards-Helaire has been injured while Leonard Fournette has been playing well in the postseason.

Fournette has taken over the lead role after performing well while Ronald Jones has been slowed with a quad injury. And on the other side, Darrel Williams has played well in relief of Edwards-Helaire but hasn’t seen as many opportunities as Fournette. The Chiefs are going to throw the ball and avoid the run for the most part, but getting a fully healthy Clyde Edwards-Helaire back could be a boon.

On the season, Jones was the best of all these backs statistically, as he averaged 5.1 yards per carry and totaled 1,143 yards with eight touchdowns, while Fournette averaged just 3.8 yards per carry and scored six touchdowns. Edwards-Helaire was the best of the Chiefs backfield, with 4.4 yards per carry and exactly 1,100 total yards and five total touchdowns. Le’Veon Bell had more work than Williams, but Williams was better on a per touch basis and eventually beat Bell out for the No. 2 position.

During the playoffs, Fournette has upped his average to 4.4 yards per carry and totaled 313 yards and three touchdowns in three games. The Chiefs defense has allowed 4.53 yards per carry through 18 games, ranking them 20th in the league, while the Bucs have given up just 3.41 yards per carry in 19 games, ranking them first.

The hope for the Chiefs is that they’ll be able to score quickly with Mahomes at the helm, pushing the Bucs to pass instead of run while the Chiefs will likely just use the run game to slow down the pass rush at times while giving Edwards-Helaire some chances in the receiving game.

Chiefs wide receivers vs. Bucs wide receivers

Edge: Buccaneers

When a team’s three starting wide receivers are Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, and Antonio Brown, it is tough to rank any other unit as better and the Chiefs wide receivers are no exception. Yes, Tyreek Hill is a monster and has put up better numbers than any of the receivers individually, but after Hill there is a steep drop off in Kansas City’s wide receiver room.

But on the whole, the duo of Hill and tight end Travis Kelce have put up better numbers than the three Bucs starters. If we were comparing all pass catchers and productivity as a whole, it would be much closer.

Both teams have injured receivers, as Sammy Watkins and Brown were out for the Championship Round, but both should be able to be ready for the title match. It’s taken the Bucs passing game a long time to gel and with some easy competition to end the season, it was tough to tell if they were able to put up big numbers due to the competition or because they finally got on the same page. Playing the Vikings, Lions and Falcons twice to end the season was a good way to get

Tyreek Hill has 17 receptions for 282 yards and no touchdowns in two postseason games, while he had 87 receptions for 1,276 yards and 15 receiving touchdowns during the regular season.

In three postseason games, Godwin has 14 receptions for 223 yards and a touchdown while Evans has 10 receptions for 173 yards and two touchdowns. During the regular season, Evans has 70 receptions for 1,006 yards and 13 touchdowns while Godwin has 65 receptions for 840 yards and seven touchdowns. Brown’s numbers were middling, as he wasn’t a big-play receiver as the WR3 and averaged just 10.7 yards per catch. Add in his knee injury, and his name carries much more weight than his recent play.

The Chiefs Mecole Hardman scares defenses with his raw speed, but can also make big mistakes. He had a huge fumble on a kick return last week, but he also took a sweep 50 yards and scored on a short reception. He’s a wildcard, but one that can be a game-changer.

Tampa Bay has their own speedster in Scotty Miller, who can make a difference in a hurry. His touchdown reception just before half was huge in the NFC Championship game and if Brown isn’t up to speed, he could be a big factor again.

Chiefs tight ends vs. Bucs tight ends

Edge: Chiefs

Travis Kelce is the best tight end in the league, so he gets the edge here even though he’s going against one of the best tight ends to ever play in Rob Gronkowski. Kelce set the record for most receiving yards for a tight end with 1,416 this season, which was also the second-most receiving yards by any player this year, while his 11 touchdowns ranked fifth. So far in the postseason, he has three touchdowns in just two games. He is very much a wide receiver in his skill set, as he can take on cornerbacks as well as safeties and linebackers, beating them all.

Gronkowski and Cameron Brate are two above-average tight ends at this point and together you could make a case for them being closer to Kelce than Gronkowski is individually, but they still aren’t that close. Gronkowski led the way in the regular season with 45 receptions for 623 yards and seven touchdowns, but Brate has surpassed him during the postseason, as he has 11 receptions on 16 targets for 149 yards and a touchdown, while Gronkowski has two receptions on just seven targets for 43 yards. Neither are exceptional and shutting them down wouldn’t stop the Bucs offense that much, while shutting Kelce down would be a huge blow to Kansas City.

Chiefs offensive line vs. Bucs offensive line

Edge: Buccaneers

The Chiefs offensive line has taken numerous setbacks this season, as they had two linemen opt-out due to COVID-19 to start the year and then lost guard Kelechi Osemele and tackle Mitchell Schwartz for the season with injuries early on. Then left tackle Eric Fisher went down with an Achilles tear in the AFC Championship game. The only Week 1 starter in his original position is center Austin Reiter. There is no doubt that their offensive line has been patch-worked together this year, but they did continue to play well statistically, allowing just 24 sacks during the regular season and the fourth-best adjusted sack rate.

The Buccaneers shored up their offensive line this offseason by drafting right tackle Tristan Wirfs in the first round, who has played at a high level along with his compatriots on the line. On the season, they’ve allowed the third-best adjusted sack rate, allowing a small total of 22 sacks. Those numbers are only slightly better than the Chiefs on the season, but the Bucs also didn’t just lose their starting left tackle.

When these teams met the last time in Week 12, the Buccaneers were able to get 16 QB pressures and that was with Fisher in the mix. The good news is that Mahomes is one of the leaders in getting the ball out quickly, which can make up for a lot of offensive line problems. We saw his ability against pressure in the last Super Bowl, as the 49ers great defensive line was able to disrupt the offense, but Mahomes was just too good in the end.

The Bucs have the better offensive line and I don’t think that can be disputed. It should be able to keep Brady clean for much of the game and help the rushing game efficiency. Mahomes is a quarterback that can help hide his line’s inefficiencies better than Brady at this point though. It isn’t a wash, but it’s not quite as lopsided as it looks.

Chiefs defensive line vs. Bucs defensive line

Edge: Buccaneers

Two of the Chiefs best defensive players are defensive linemen Chris Jones and Frank Clark in their 4-3 defense, while the Buccaneers have Ndamukong Suh and Vita Vea anchoring their 3-4 defense. When you add a great set of linebackers to those two, the core lineman can handle so much, that the linebackers have a much easier time getting to the quarterback.

The Chiefs don’t get much help from their linebackers, so need Clark and Jones to create pressure, which ended up being inconsistent this season. They finished 14th with 32 sacks, but ranked 18th in adjusted sack rate, while the Bucs finished fifth with 48 sacks and sixth in adjusted sack rate. The rushing numbers allowed end up similarly in the rankings, as the Chiefs are in the middle of the pack while the Bucs are the best in the league. There is no doubt that the Bucs are better at getting to the quarterback and stopping the run.

Chiefs linebackers vs. Bucs linebackers

Edge: Buccaneers

Injuries have really hit the Chiefs hard compared to the Buccaneers of late. Besides Fisher, Kansas City also lost rookie linebacker Willie Gay, who suffered a knee injury in practice. Gay wasn’t a full-time starter, but had been gaining snaps all season and was playing well. He was likely the best coverage linebacker on the team and that has been a weakness, as Kansas City has allowed the second-most receiving yards to running backs this season.

The Buccaneers have given up the most running back receptions though, as their defensive line has been outstanding at stopping the run and getting to the quarterback, forcing teams to dump it off to their backs.

The Buccaneers have one of the better linebacking groups in the league with Jason Pierre-Paul, Devin White and Shaq Barrrett. Paul, Barrett and White all surpassed eight sacks on the season. They should be difference makers in a game with the Chiefs offensive line not at full strength.

Chiefs secondary vs. Bucs secondary

Edge: Chiefs

The Chiefs secondary has played well this season, allowing 246.2 passing yards at a 62.3 percent completion rate compared to the Bucs 270.3 yards at a 67.9 completion percent rate. The Chiefs' secondary is aggressive, as they play press coverage more than any other team, while they also send six or more defenders after the quarterback more than any other team. They are playing with fire, but have been able to get the job done. Safety Tyrann Mathieu’s versatility helps them play aggressively and is a huge part of them being able to get away with taking it to receivers.

The Buccaneers secondary hasn’t performed as well as the Chiefs overall, but they do get a big boost by the pressure their front seven puts on the quarterback. Their secondary has five starters who were drafted in 2018 or later. They have a lot of swagger and have been good at turning the ball over. Just last week, safety Jordan Whitehead caused two fumbles in the NFC Championship game. They will give up yardage to Mahomes, there is no doubt about that, but they can also take the ball away with the help of their front seven. Overall, it’s fairly close between the two when you factor in the pass rush disrupting throws.
 

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Man I can't wait to see the Chiefs pummel these guys. Watching Arians Brady and Gronk lose is going to be a nice ending to the 2020 season. Im taking the Chiefs 37-20. Brady throws an interception and gets sacked 4 times. Go KC!
 

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Man I can't wait to see the Chiefs pummel these guys. Watching Arians Brady and Gronk lose is going to be a nice ending to the 2020 season. Im taking the Chiefs 37-20. Brady throws an interception and gets sacked 4 times. Go KC!

Yes. Please.
 

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I don't mind Brady anymore honestly. The little bit of dislike I do have for him/Arians is offset by the Chiefs having two Super Bowls vs the Bucs having one.

Brady will be done soon and Tampa will go back to obscurity.

I kind of like the Chiefs, but I'm still in it for the long haul with the Rams hopefully having more Super Bowls than any team.

Don't hate either so I don't really have a rooting interest which feels so weird...

I can't remember the last Super Bowl that I didn't want one team to win
 

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Will always hate Brady. And honestly find it a little to predictable that he is back in the SB. If he does a last second miracle. Which is also predictable. (Follow the money) I may just walk away. No loss I know but it would just reinforce some things I dont like to think about.
 

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What's going on today besides celebrating AD?
 

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I have a bad feeling about the Chiefs Offensive Line losing Fisher is huge and I'm not confident Remmers holding out Pierre-Paul plus the Bucs defense has been playing very physical and last time they played Hill was huge, they will not allow that again today.

Rooting for the Chiefs because I have nothing against them and liked Hank Stram in my youth, but I don't expect a blowout today and I am very concerned upfront. Chief defense will have to force some turnovers, otherwise the Bucs could come out on top in a close game.

I also like heads on the coin toss because all year when I've heard the coin toss, players selecting tails have failed.
 

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Thankful to have this game on as scheduled.

Fuck Tommy. Go Chiefs.
 

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I'm not too excited either. I'm having to dig deep for some allegiance angles. I like the underdog. I like to see franchises win championships who haven't (or in a long time).

My other hope is that Brady gets another ring and walks away from the 2021 NFC playoff picture because well...Rams.
But..i don't like Arians and i'm tired of Brady. I like Reid.

Chiefs got theirs last year. I don't like mega hyped QB's. Mahomey is a great QB but his already over-saturated hype will go to volume 11 if he wins another one back-to-back.

So i guess i'd like to see Tampa get this one. They haven't in nearly 20 years.

As far as who i think is going to win?
Tampa
31-27
 

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I'm not too excited either. I'm having to dig deep for some allegiance angles. I like the underdog. I like to see franchises win championships who haven't (or in a long time).

My other hope is that Brady gets another ring and walks away from the 2021 NFC playoff picture because well...Rams.
But..i don't like Arians and i'm tired of Brady. I like Reid.

Chiefs got theirs last year. I don't like mega hyped QB's. Mahomey is a great QB but his already over-saturated hype will go to volume 11 if he wins another one back-to-back.

So i guess i'd like to see Tampa get this one. They haven't in nearly 20 years.

As far as who i think is going to win?
Tampa
31-27

Patrick Mahomes will always have a soft spot to me.

1. He ripped the hearts out of the shitters last year.

2. He actually goes out and win games. Not stand on the sidelines watching other teams fuck it up and hand the game to him.
 

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I don’t want to sound too much like @Mojo Ram but;

I'm not too excited either. I'm having to dig deep for some allegiance angles. I like the underdog. I like to see franchises win championships who haven't (or in a long time).

My other hope is that Brady gets another ring and walks away from the 2021 NFC playoff picture because well...Rams.

But..i don't like Arians and i'm tired of Brady. I like Reid.

Chiefs got theirs last year. I don't like mega hyped QB's. Mahomey is a great QB but his already over-saturated hype will go to volume 11 if he wins another one back-to-back.

So i guess i'd like to see Chiefs get this one. Because my dislike for Tom Brady is above all.

As far as who i think is going to win?

KC
31-27
 

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Should be a good game. Hard to bet against Brady - and he has answered the GOAT question in my mind just by being there. Still, if I had to lay money - I’d go KC.