G.Robinson's PFF numbers

[shaunpinney]

Here's what I don't get .How is having a honest discussion about this team considered hating? Aint nobody mad, just stating the facts.This a weakness on our team.
Now if you want go have a conversation about Unicorns and Rainbows maybe your
on the wrong site.But this is a part of our team that has to improve and this place the last time I checked is a Forum. A forum is a place where people gather to discuss topics.
Do yourself a favor and google what "hater" means and quit throwing it around like spare change,
just because the topic is not to your pleasing.

Apologies if my comment offended you, I used the term 'hater' because your OP seemed nothing more than that. The subject of Robinson as a bust has been discussed ad nauseum, here as well as various other outlets. Trust me, I don't need to use google for the definition of hater, I have an ok grasp on the English language, it's one of the languages that I use most regularly.

From what I've seen Robinson is improving, and in my opinion we need continuity on the O-line, his stats may suck, but he's not the only one on the team with sats that suck - *cough, cough* Gurley *cough, cough*
our whole line is poorly rated, they didn't have a good game last week, but we won, Keenum was still standing at the end of the game, which in my book is good news. Keenum still seems to have the luxury of time to make some nice passes, even with our poor LT & o-line play. It's not as if there's a luxury of numerous pro-bowl calibre LT's out there without somewhere to play, I wouldn't recommend starting Saffold at LT, over the past few seasons he seems to become a lot more fragile at the tackle position.

It may also be useful to point to the fact that Smith was drafted as a 23 year old, Robinson is only 23 now so really we could take this year as the first true year of comparison?

With regards to Unicorns and Rainbows, that's a sore point, I've been banned from that site now for spouting 'too much realism'

 

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[Amitar]

From what I have seen Robinson is playing terrible and the PFF numbers reflect that. I really have no idea how anyone can say he is playing well. He looks completely out of place on the field. Sorry to ruffle feathers but it is what it is.

 

[BonifayRam]

From what I've seen Robinson is improving, and in my opinion we need continuity on the O-line, his stats may suck, but he's not the only one on the team with sats that suck - *cough, cough* Gurley *cough, cough* our whole line is poorly rated, they didn't have a good game last week, but we won, Keenum was still standing at the end of the game, which in my book is good news. Keenum still seems to have the luxury of time to make some nice passes, even with our poor LT & o-line play. It's not as if there's a luxury of numerous pro-bowl calibre LT's out there without somewhere to play, I wouldn't recommend starting Saffold at LT, over the past few seasons he seems to become a lot more fragile at the tackle position.........

Good Afternoon shaunpinney hope to see you again in the Chat Room!

You know I feel differently on Rodger Saffold here. RS played very well this pre season @ OT with the exception of two sacks by NFL's best edge rusher named Miller. Saffold's best overall best season as a pro came when he was starting @ OLT. RS has more superior pass protection skills in just one reconstructed shoulder than the entire body of our current starting OLT. I also would throw this out that during pre season we got a chance to see a UDFA rookie play better than Robinson in pre season named Pace Murphy grant you he did not play early in most games but it was without mistakes!

RS is our best pass protecting OG over Jamon Brown, Cody Wichmann & Andrew Donnal. In truth RS is our best OL in pass blocking....why would you not want your best pass blocker going up against the opponent's best pass rusher? Once our 3rd round 2015 draft selection OLG Jamon Brown can get over his late last season leg injury & improve his pass blocking skills I will contend he will be our very near future starter @ left OG for our future QB in Goff. Then RS can be moved left a few feet & protect Goff from these feared RDE pass rushers.

As of the moment we are winning with Greg Robinson @ OLT but that's not really saying much because we are winning due to a large % due to the defense not due to Greg Robinson's play. Once we begin to loose with more regularity due this OL fail mode overall play ....changes will be mandatory.

 

[Corbin]

So you think Greg is done Tavian? That's essentially what you're advocating. That the experiment is over, he's done, a complete bust, give up and start over again drafting our third LT of the future again after Smith and him and hope we do a better job scouting a guy?

Don't you see any improvement? I do. I also think he's going to continue to improve and can become a serviceable tackle. He is serviceable as it is - just had a bad game.

I don't know if Tavian does but I see his ass as a bust.

 

[Ram65]

I was hoping Robinson was going to look much better this year after spending some off season time at L Bentley's offensive lineman camp. So far he hasn't. Looks like no change which is not good. Still hope but, it lessons every week.

 

[tavian]

Apologies if my comment offended you, I used the term 'hater' because your OP seemed nothing more than that. The subject of Robinson as a bust has been discussed ad nauseum, here as well as various other outlets. Trust me, I don't need to use google for the definition of hater, I have an ok grasp on the English language, it's one of the languages that I use most regularly.

From what I've seen Robinson is improving, and in my opinion we need continuity on the O-line, his stats may suck, but he's not the only one on the team with sats that suck - *cough, cough* Gurley *cough, cough*
our whole line is poorly rated, they didn't have a good game last week, but we won, Keenum was still standing at the end of the game, which in my book is good news. Keenum still seems to have the luxury of time to make some nice passes, even with our poor LT & o-line play. It's not as if there's a luxury of numerous pro-bowl calibre LT's out there without somewhere to play, I wouldn't recommend starting Saffold at LT, over the past few seasons he seems to become a lot more fragile at the tackle position.

It may also be useful to point to the fact that Smith was drafted as a 23 year old, Robinson is only 23 now so really we could take this year as the first true year of comparison?

With regards to Unicorns and Rainbows, that's a sore point, I've been banned from that site now for spouting 'too much realism'

Now was that so hard?Instead of just calling someone a hater and running off,now your talking about
why you disagree.So much more respectful to the OP and makes you look a hell of a lot smarter.

 

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[fearsomefour]

Blasphemy!!

According to some great sources on this board Robinson is "really improved"!

Well he was through preseason....haha.
Been bad the last two weeks.

 

[JIMERAMS]

Not as bad as Saffold he sucked big time today and Brown is not better than wichman

 

[Fatbot]

Not as bad as Saffold he sucked big time today and Brown is not better than wichman

Lots of suck to go around, so much so it might be fair to wonder if the Rams pairing "refrigerators with legs" with so much zone blocking is going to be a successful experiment. Seems to me a lot of the fail I see from GRob (and the rest) is inability to execute the lateral movement techniques. They lack first step discipline & quickness, target & hand aim, etc., which leads to crazy penetration right between the linemen, blowing up Gurley before he can even get a read. Instead of our big boys trying to catch up to people and whiffing every play, I'd like to see them actually block back on someone for a change or just lock up & drive someone into the frickin' dirt for once.

Other NFL linemen are big and are able to get these zone techniques down, so it can't be just a size thing. Maybe it's the communication, the Rams' particular scheme or the way it's being coached, or these guys simply can't do it well.

Meanwhile, GRob specifically seems completely caught in the haze of *thinking* not *doing*, so he's always wandering around aimlessly instead of just blocking the crap out of people. I saw one play against Arizona where Buchanan was *literally* standing in place like a blocking dummy, yet instead of pancaking him, GRob waddled a painstakingly slow route up to Buchanan's side then woefully shoved him straight into Gurley's path. You could almost hear a coach in his brain as the play unfolded, "I-must-step-to-the-left-to-cut-off-playside-flow-oops-I-better-shove-him". He's like a bad dancer learning to waltz where all he can focus on is repeating 1-2-3 in his head over and over while he steps on everyone's foot.

I was confident things would click for him this season especially with his offseason "guru" work but just don't know now.

 

[thirteen28]

Lots of suck to go around, so much so it might be fair to wonder if the Rams pairing "refrigerators with legs" with so much zone blocking is going to be a successful experiment. Seems to me a lot of the fail I see from GRob (and the rest) is inability to execute the lateral movement techniques. They lack first step discipline & quickness, target & hand aim, etc., which leads to crazy penetration right between the linemen, blowing up Gurley before he can even get a read. Instead of our big boys trying to catch up to people and whiffing every play, I'd like to see them actually block back on someone for a change or just lock up & drive someone into the frickin' dirt for once.

Other NFL linemen are big and are able to get these zone techniques down, so it can't be just a size thing. Maybe it's the communication, the Rams' particular scheme or the way it's being coached, or these guys simply can't do it well.

Meanwhile, GRob specifically seems completely caught in the haze of *thinking* not *doing*, so he's always wandering around aimlessly instead of just blocking the crap out of people. I saw one play against Arizona where Buchanan was *literally* standing in place like a blocking dummy, yet instead of pancaking him, GRob waddled a painstakingly slow route up to Buchanan's side then woefully shoved him straight into Gurley's path. You could almost hear a coach in his brain as the play unfolded, "I-must-step-to-the-left-to-cut-off-playside-flow-oops-I-better-shove-him". He's like a bad dancer learning to waltz where all he can focus on is repeating 1-2-3 in his head over and over while he steps on everyone's foot.

I was confident things would click for him this season especially with his offseason "guru" work but just don't know now.

I had similar thoughts I put in the vent thread, although not as eloquently expressed as you did above. I just really get the feeling that this blocking scheme is a mismatch for the players we have, and that's a big part of what's making them look bad. If it's such that GRob is spending time thinking rather than doing where he didn't have to as the season wore on last year, and if this is a change from the way things were done prior to this season (I honestly don't know), then it's a big mistake on the part of our offensive coaches.

 

[shaunpinney]

Now was that so hard?Instead of just calling someone a hater and running off,now your talking about why you disagree.So much more respectful to the OP and makes you look a hell of a lot smarter.

Running off? Being on the other side of the Atlantic there's only so many hours I'm prepared to stay awake for, especially when it's a subject that has been flogged to death on here and I really don't need my postings on ROD to define my intelligence...

 

[shaunpinney]

Good Afternoon shaunpinney hope to see you again in the Chat Room!

You know I feel differently on Rodger Saffold here. RS played very well this pre season @ OT with the exception of two sacks by NFL's best edge rusher named Miller. Saffold's best overall best season as a pro came when he was starting @ OLT. RS has more superior pass protection skills in just one reconstructed shoulder than the entire body of our current starting OLT. I also would throw this out that during pre season we got a chance to see a UDFA rookie play better than Robinson in pre season named Pace Murphy grant you he did not play early in most games but it was without mistakes!

RS is our best pass protecting OG over Jamon Brown, Cody Wichmann & Andrew Donnal. In truth RS is our best OL in pass blocking....why would you not want your best pass blocker going up against the opponent's best pass rusher? Once our 3rd round 2015 draft selection OLG Jamon Brown can get over his late last season leg injury & improve his pass blocking skills I will contend he will be our very near future starter @ left OG for our future QB in Goff. Then RS can be moved left a few feet & protect Goff from these feared RDE pass rushers.

As of the moment we are winning with Greg Robinson @ OLT but that's not really saying much because we are winning due to a large % due to the defense not due to Greg Robinson's play. Once we begin to loose with more regularity due this OL fail mode overall play ....changes will be mandatory.

Sorry I missed the chat during game time last night - my son was running a fever and was my priority I'll try and be back for next week though...

Don't get me wrong I love Saffold and truly believe he is our best O-lineman by far, my comment was more to do with his durability at T, he seemed to get dinged up a lot more when working the outside - again I'm not checking stats etc, just going from memory. I'd just rather have him on the field, than in civvies on the sidelines. Robinson is still young and is still schooled by smarter DE's. But I thought towards the end of last season, there was improvement, I know we're not winning because of his play, but I don't think we're losing games because of his play either...

It's one of those things, when a team drafts 'high' then the expectation is massive - be it LT, QB, RB, DE etc - I would love GRob to be a pro-bowl calibre LT right now, heck I want all of our players to be pro-bowl calibre...

...but they're just not.

 

[UKram]

I really don't need my postings on ROD to define my intelligence...

youre from Wales ? ,,,,,intelligence ? not likely

back on topic ....im no football scout..draft guru..or expert ..but i just dont rate Grob as a player .. sure he has the size the athleticism but he just doesnt have IT ... we havent had a decent LT since Pace left town ..... we have drafted the future at LT twice now ... in Smith (god i feel dirty just typing that ) and now Robo .... i just hope the next LT we pick isnt one about upside and once he has a couple of years in the NFL he will be "totes amazeballs " just give me the guy that look at the playbook strap up the helmet and just block the crap out of the guy in front of him

if it took me two years of learning on the job .... i wouldn't have that job for very long[/QUOTE]

 

[tavian]

I really don't need my postings on ROD to define my intelligence...

Evidently

 

[shaunpinney]

Evidently

However, you feel the need to constantly insult - I'm glad it's making you feel warm and fuzzy inside

 

[shaunpinney]

youre from Wales ? ,,,,,intelligence ? not likely

back on topic ....im no football scout..draft guru..or expert ..but i just dont rate Grob as a player .. sure he has the size the athleticism but he just doesnt have IT ... we havent had a decent LT since Pace left town ..... we have drafted the future at LT twice now ... in Smith (god i feel dirty just typing that ) and now Robo .... i just hope the next LT we pick isnt one about upside and once he has a couple of years in the NFL he will be "totes amazeballs " just give me the guy that look at the playbook strap up the helmet and just block the crap out of the guy in front of him

if it took me two years of learning on the job .... i wouldn't have that job for very long

[/QUOTE]


Believe me, there are one or two of us here

I'm also not a scout, but I can see what they've done with him and why he was selected. He was selected as a project, because of his physical attributes, maybe he needed more one-to-one coaching to bring him on sooner, I don't know. Maybe he needed to redshirt a year, I don't know. I guess he's in at LT because we have no other real option, we need all of our best players on the field at the same time, the coaches obviously think he should be playing, I wouldn't like to see the line messed with too much IMO, I wouldn't want to see him moved inside to LG, he'd just have to pick up new skills.

It would be great to have the luxury of constantly selecting NFL ready players, but I think sometimes people forget at how bad our roster was a couple of years ago, sure we still have holes to fill, or players could be improved on, they always could be.

I think a lot of the o-line's flaws this year have come from opposing defences throwing tricks and stunts at our line, things are getting confusing in the trenches, and we're coming off worse (at the moment) maybe this isn't all down to the players, maybe we need to counter-coach these defensive stunts somehow - don't ask me how...

... or as a lot of people seem to think, call them and go for a fresh approach :fuelfire: