Former Saint Brandin Cooks

[dieterbrock]

Stats don't tell the entire story. Look at Brees' stats for this year. They wouldn't tell you how bad he's struggled in his last 6 games.

Go back and watch that Detroit game. The only reason he had so many targets is because he threw a fit in the media the week before, complaining about not getting enough passes thrown to him. So they game planned to get him involved vs the Lions and it limited the offense.

Cooks had 2300 yards and 17 TD's with a 67% catch rate in his last 2 years in New Orleans.
That's a pretty compelling story.
Brees just didn't/doesn't have the arm anymore to utilize Cooks

 

[UKram]

cookie is 1000+ yard reciever every year he has been in the NFL .. if the saints had had him Sunday ,, you might actually be in the super bowl ,,instead of us

 

[Loyal]

That's all well and good but I also watched Cooks all through college and what we are seeing from him now is the player I watched at OSU. The fact that the Saints and the patsies misused him is not on Cooks. It's a bit like Tavon in a Fisher "offense". The Saints really probably shouldn't have drafted him for their system. Cooks can run every route and always lived on short to intermediate routes that he would turn into chunk yardage. He was always able to take the top off a defense but that was anything but his bread and butter.

There is indeed a reason he works in McVay's offense and why Sean wanted him before he got traded to the patsies. McVay doesn't appear to utilize a "true #1 receiver". He values weapons, versatility, and smarts. Cooks, Woods, Kupp, and it seems maybe Reynolds all fit that mold.

I was stoked when we grabbed Cooks and nothing has changed that mindset.

 

[RamFan503]

The original OSU.

 

[Loyal]

The original OSU.

Quack..quack, quack quack!

 

[RamFan503]

Quack..quack, quack quack!

Couldn't figure out what sound a beaver makes?

 

[Ram65]

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CookBr00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/ThomMi05.htm

Yards are similar. Cooks and Thomas are used differently. Thomas more possession while Cooks stretches the field more. Maybe, it was time for Cooks to go but, it would have been interesting if they could have worked it out. Brees having a weakening arm may have prevented that. When the Rams got Cooks I remembered Belicheat saying they (Patsie) got Cooks cause they could not stop him as a Saint. Very exciting when the Rams got him. He doesn't have a lot of wiggle but, surprisingly makes plays all over the field.Two things for sure he he is fast and makes catches.

 

[Loyal]

Couldn't figure out what sound a beaver makes?

lol....like passing gas?

 

[Picked4td]

gotta be pretty nice for him to be able to beat both former teams in route to his 1st sb win

 

[OregonRamsFan]

Quack..quack, quack quack!

Since when do Beavers quack?

 

[Loyal]

Since when do Beavers quack?

They don't. But the better team in Oregon, does...:rockon:

 

[RamFanWA]

obviously the secret plot here, is that if Goff goes down - Mannion has the Cooks connection going on!!!

 

[Rabid Ram]

Stats don't tell the entire story. Look at Brees' stats for this year. They wouldn't tell you how bad he's struggled in his last 6 games.

Go back and watch that Detroit game. The only reason he had so many targets is because he threw a fit in the media the week before, complaining about not getting enough passes thrown to him. So they game planned to get him involved vs the Lions and it limited the offense.

Your changing your statements left and right to fit your view.

You stated This led to the game vs Detroit where our offense was designed around getting the ball to him and he ended up failing badly.

Stats show he didn't fail so you turn around and state stats don't tell the whole story and that it was the offense as a whole that failed.

Then you continue to fit your own narrative after dismissing stats as not telling the whole story and state

Thomaswas better than him in 2016 and there were stats to prove it Which is it are stats evidence or not ?

 

[majrleaged]

obviously the secret plot here, is that if Goff goes down - Mannion has the Cooks connection going on!!!

Shut the fuck up! Lol

 

[Synthetic]

Your changing your statements left and right to fit your view.

You stated This led to the game vs Detroit where our offense was designed around getting the ball to him and he ended up failing badly.

Stats show he didn't fail so you turn around and state stats don't tell the whole story and that it was the offense as a whole that failed.

Then you continue to fit your own narrative after dismissing stats as not telling the whole story and state

Thomaswas better than him in 2016 and there were stats to prove it Which is it are stats evidence or not ?

Did you watch the Detroit game??? I take it no. Someone pulled the stats and just threw them in my face on here. Stats don't always tell the entire story. Belichick coached Patriots teams are proof of that.

Cooks worked better with the Saints as a slot receiver. He wasn't that great as the #1 guy and they tried so hard to give that role to him. You guys should really go back and watch those Saints games instead of just saying how bad Brees is. We aren't the only team that traded Cooks, New England did too. Their fans can attest to my point about his poor on field vision.

Thomas was better than him in 2016 and went on to become the #1 guy moving forward.

If I had to pick one of the other, I'm going with Thomas all the way. Seen enough of Cooks for 3 years get owned in coverage and completely shut down on deep routes.

 

[Synthetic]

Cooks had 2300 yards and 17 TD's with a 67% catch rate in his last 2 years in New Orleans.
That's a pretty compelling story.
Brees just didn't/doesn't have the arm anymore to utilize Cooks

Yeah, Brees was so bad in 2016 that he had a 5,000 yard passing season.

 

[JYB]

They shipped him out because he was too fast for Brees who doesn't have that long ball anymore. Legit, he has to wind up to throw it 50 yards in the air.

On the duck that Brees completed to Ginn -- that Joyner misplayed worse than a high school DB -- there was a film clip focused on Brees and he grunted loudly on that throw -- it was clear he put everything he had into it. And that thing floated like shanked punt.

Brady has a lot more arm than that, so Joyner better quickly figure out how to properly defend a pass.

 

[RamFan503]

You guys should really go back and watch those Saints games instead of just saying how bad Brees is.

No offense man but why would any Rams fan go back and watch Ain'ts games to prove your point - or for any other reason for that matter. I'd rather watch paint dry.

You have your view on Cooks - we have ours. He may not have been a fit for your team as a #1 receiver when you had Thomas. So? I still find it disingenuous for any Ain'ts fan to say they wouldn't have liked to have him back this season. I'm going to guess the real push to move him was money being that he was a 1st rounder with over 1,000 yards. In that vein, I somewhat get the decision. But to point to stats and then say it's not all about stats when we're talking about a player that has had 4 straight 1100+ yard seasons in three different systems is a bit dubious.

Cooks one big strength was his speed.

Cooks is a burner for sure but this tells me you really don't know much about him or how he was viewed coming out of college.

Cooks was known for being a smooth route runner and able to create separation. He was known for having elite hands and field vision after the catch. The main knock on him was that he actually lacked elite speed to run by defenders and was not a good blocker due to his size.

The Saints hoped he could be their next Marques Colston and it simply didn't work.

Wait whut? They expected 5'9 1/2" 185lb Cooks to be their next 6'5" 225lb Marques Colston? And what....? Fill the same role? Seriously? That sound right to you - really?

I fail to see what you get out of coming onto a Rams board to straighten us out on one of our players. Because he is a former Ain't? So? But I find your arguments to be odd and illogical.

As I said, I watched Cooks all through college and even when he went to your team. I don't doubt that Payton felt Thomas was a better fit for his system. But the idea that he was drafted as the new Colston is pretty funny honestly. They couldn't be much different players.

 

[GBRam15]

I'm really glad the Saints and Patsies both traded Cooks .That being said, I can see why the Saints traded him. I imagine it would be hard to pay 2 wide receivers top dollar, so if they made up their mind on Mike Thomas being their big money guy, why not get a 1st round pick in return for Cooks.

 

[kurtfaulk]

I don't think they regret it. They have their #1 in Michael Thomas (although may not have felt that way immediately) and ended up using that draft pick on a guys who contributes on the line.

I think the play of Thomas led to the saints trading cooks. They needed defense and having a stud like Thomas on a rookie contract for three more years meant they didn't have worry about paying cooks and they could get a 1st round pick for him. That trade transformed their team.

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