For Warner, Spygate Still Haunts The Pats Sb Win Over The Rams –video

[rhinobean]

Could have been the folks in vegas. Large spread on that game.

 

[Stranger]

Could have been the folks in vegas. Large spread on that game.

It seems to me that Goodell would have had to have been complicit in any effort to sway the game. So, would Goodell have co-operated with Vegas power-brokers?

 

[Sum1]

It seems to me that Goodell would have had to have been complicit in any effort to sway the game. So, would Goodell have co-operated with Vegas power-brokers?

Would have to have been Tagliabue (sp?)

 

[RamFan503]

Would have to have been Tagliabue (sp?)

Nah. Everything is Goodell's fault. I did mention that I have my tar and feathers on the ready - right?

Of course Goodell had his hands in everything under Tagliabue.

But either way - I am still pissed about that game. I had a big SB party and had put up blue and gold helium balloons around my house. The wind came up and blew the things up in the trees. Those damn things hung in the trees mocking me for months.

I still remember Martz saying after the game that it seemed like the patsies had our playbook.

And for the NFL to cover it up like that really just makes my blood boil and that ain't going away - maybe EVER.

 

[Ram Quixote]

It seems to me that Goodell would have had to have been complicit in any effort to sway the game. So, would Goodell have co-operated with Vegas power-brokers?

The only group that has access to NFL officials (zebras) is the NFL itself. Besides, once the game had reached the 4th quarter, the spread had already been compromised. By then, Vegas bookies were in the money. Or perhaps they weren't.

No. I'll forever believe that political interests desired a Patriot victory. Bob Kraft covered the influence on the referees. Bellicheat covered the rest with his Spygate tactics. Remember, the Rams played in Gillette earlier in the year. All they needed after that was access to the Rams walk-throughs.

One last note: the Rams first TD was drawn-up on the sidelines. Considering the Rams required 6 unsuccessful attempts to get in the endzone before that tells me all I need to know about the Patriots access to the Rams walk-throughs.

 

[Ram Quixote]

Would have to have been Tagliabue (sp?)

Goodell was a staff member for Tagliabue. Very likely he knows where the bodies are.

 

[CGI_Ram]

(1) I don't believe this game had any conspiracy to it. Nothing with Vegas, 911, etc.

(2) Refs have always been gun shy in big games. This crew went too far. Just poorly prepared beforehand.

(3) There WAS an advantage gleaned from the video tapes, otherwise why destroy the evidence?

(4) Goodell knows that the Pats cheated. But destroying the evidence was the only way to protect the game going forward.

(5) Where is Walsh?

(6) The Rams win that game without spy gate.

 

[Mojo Ram]

The only group that has access to NFL officials (zebras) is the NFL itself. Besides, once the game had reached the 4th quarter, the spread had already been compromised. By then, Vegas bookies were in the money. Or perhaps they weren't.
No. I'll forever believe that political interests desired a Patriot victory. Bob Kraft covered the influence on the referees. Bellicheat covered the rest with his Spygate tactics. Remember, the Rams played in Gillette earlier in the year. All they needed after that was access to the Rams walk-throughs.

One last note: the Rams first TD was drawn-up on the sidelines. Considering the Rams required 6 unsuccessful attempts to get in the endzone before that tells me all I need to know about the Patriots access to the Rams walk-throughs.

This is really is what it was all about. I agree. I don't even like discussing this anymore. It was a wretched day for Rams fans. I'll never get over it,i don't expect any of the players,coaches associated with that travashamockery to ever truly get over it either.

 

[Ram Quixote]

(1) I don't believe this game had any conspiracy to it. Nothing with Vegas, 911, etc.

(2) Refs have always been gun shy in big games. This crew went too far. Just poorly prepared beforehand.

How do you account for the late appointment of Bernie Kukar to that SB, as well as the fact the rest of the officiating crew were first-timers to the SB?

 

[Mojo Ram]

(1) I don't believe this game had any conspiracy to it. Nothing with Vegas, 911, etc.

I agree that it wasn't at all about bookmaking. It was political. If the New England Patriots were called the New England Clam Chowders it wouldn't have happened.
If 9-11-01 hadn't happened just five months earlier it also wouldn't have happened.
America was in mourning and the NFL stepped up and orchestrated the "greatest" underdog fairy tale Super Bowl champion in history.
The Patriots won. Hallelujah. God bless America.

 

[CGI_Ram]

How do you account for the late appointment of Bernie Kukar to that SB, as well as the fact the rest of the officiating crew were first-timers to the SB?

What was the protocol for appointing officials back then?

I just don't believe the NFL would tamper in any way going into a game. You just can't organize something like that, see it thru, and expect it to "work out as planned" and get away with it. This is a cash cow. Too much at risk to do that.

The NFL protected the game after the fact. The Patriots cheated.

 

[Stranger]

I agree that it wasn't at all about bookmaking. It was political. If the New England Patriots were called the New England Clam Chowders it wouldn't have happened.
If 9-11-01 hadn't happened just five months earlier it also wouldn't have happened.
America was in mourning and the NFL stepped up and orchestrated the "greatest" underdog fairy tale Super Bowl champion in history.
The Patriots won. Hallelujah. God bless America.

If they were called the Clam Chowders then they never make it past the Raiders in the playoffs. Remember the Tuck Rule. And don't forget Ambassador Rooney's team laying down for them in the AFC Championship game.

A lot had to happen that year for the Cheatriots to get to the SB, let alone win it.

 

[Stranger]

What was the protocol for appointing officials back then?

I just don't believe the NFL would tamper in any way going into a game. You just can't organize something like that, see it thru, and expect it to "work out as planned" and get away with it. This is a cash cow. Too much at risk to do that.

The NFL protected the game after the fact. The Patriots cheated.

So, they didn't do it because (1) they are too damn honest; or (2) they don't have the wherewithall to pull it off; or (3) both?

 

[rams24/7]

(6) The Rams win that game without spy gate.

Agreed, but what makes the game even more frustrating was even with all the shit we went through (cheating, non calls, etc.), we still had a chance to win after tying it 17 all. But AGAIN the final drive had a series of 2 calls which set up the Pats for the game winning FG & a 3rd call to end the game.

We somehow climbed out of the 17-3 hole and had a chance. But NE gets a 10 yard 1st down and the RB is deemed to have gotten out of bounds (even though he didn't). The game would have likely gone to OT had the clock not stopped at 33 secs when they were around their 30 yardline. And if that blown call wasn't enough, the next play the Rams dial up a perfect blitz forcing brady to get rid of the ball quick before he's out of the tackle box. Grounding and a loss of down to go inside their own 30 would have definitely sent the game to OT. And I just feel like momentum was completely on our side after we tied it. We should have stopped them, ad it would have gone to OT. I doubt that a Pats team that was only able to muster 1 offensive TD all day, would have been able to irk out any points in OT. The Rams O would have broken through and won the first OT SB, but...... blah blah blah. You've all heard it before. :sad::deadhorse:

 

[CGI_Ram]

So, they didn't do it because (1) they are too damn honest; or (2) they don't have the wherewithall to pull it off; or (3) both?

I'd probably say; none of the above.

I mean if the integrity of the game is questioned, it's toast. The league is the best on the planet, makes a lot of people rich, and I don't see "fixing" as a good business model in this circumstance.

But, once the evidence damned the integrity... I think that's why Goodell destroyed everything. I mean; the league survived the blow with that choice. Would they have taken a bigger blow if the truth came out?

 

[Stranger]

I'd probably say; none of the above.

I mean if the integrity of the game is questioned, it's toast. The league is the best on the planet, makes a lot of people rich, and I don't see "fixing" as a good business model in this circumstance.

But, once the evidence damned the integrity... I think that's why Goodell destroyed everything. I mean; the league survived the blow with that choice. Would they have taken a bigger blow if the truth came out?

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[Ram Quixote]

I'd probably say; none of the above.

I mean if the integrity of the game is questioned, it's toast. The league is the best on the planet, makes a lot of people rich, and I don't see "fixing" as a good business model in this circumstance.

But, once the evidence damned the integrity... I think that's why Goodell destroyed everything. I mean; the league survived the blow with that choice. Would they have taken a bigger blow if the truth came out?

And what truth is that? Think about it. If all the Patriots gave to them was their remaining tapes, how damaging would that have been to the league? Certainly damaging for the pats and Bellichick, but the league? Spygate was about the Patriots, not the league. Even if Bellichick still had tapes from the walk throughs prior to SB36, which I doubt they were foolish enough to keep, that wouldn't have warranted the full meltdown that Goodell feared.

Nope, there was something far more damning on those tapes that Goodell didn't want anyone to see. Something Kraft and Bellichick saved that would rock the NFL's fan base if it came out. And it wasn't any tapes of down-and-distance. Just think of it as Mutually Assured Destruction.

 

[Thordaddy]

Stop you're destroying the myth

 

[CGI_Ram]

And what truth is that? Think about it. If all the Patriots gave to them was their remaining tapes, how damaging would that have been to the league? Certainly damaging for the pats and Bellichick, but the league? Spygate was about the Patriots, not the league. Even if Bellichick still had tapes from the walk throughs prior to SB36, which I doubt they were foolish enough to keep, that wouldn't have warranted the full meltdown that Goodell feared.

Nope, there was something far more damning on those tapes that Goodell didn't want anyone to see. Something Kraft and Bellichick saved that would rock the NFL's fan base if it came out. And it wasn't any tapes of down-and-distance. Just think of it as Mutually Assured Destruction.

If the tapes suggest the Pats had an advantage, what should the league do? Reward the Rams the SB win? If they did that, wouldn't the league have a serious black eye and credibility of the game lost?

Instead, we don't know. And... That's probably a better position for the league.

And... For the record; I see no reason to destroy tapes unless the evidence pointed to an advantage for the Pats.

 

[Stranger]

If the tapes suggest the Pats had an advantage, what should the league do? Reward the Rams the SB win? If they did that, wouldn't the league have a serious black eye and credibility of the game lost?

Instead, we don't know. And... That's probably a better position for the league.

And... For the record; I see no reason to destroy tapes unless the evidence pointed to an advantage for the Pats.

Or demonstrated the league's complicity????