Foles Joins a better Supporting Cast

[den-the-coach]

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Foles at least takes me off suicide watch But the oline is no closer to being anything but horrible let alone even average. Tread carefully Nick.

I concur the offensive line as it stands now has me on suicide watch...Hopefully this week will take me off the ledge.

 

[drasconis]

No, their line was pedestrian. What they really had on us was solid QB play and a better OC. That's what they had. I already gave them the edge on RB's but not for depth. We were 4 rushers deep.

Trouble is pedestrian would be an upgrade from what he had. Yes they were an average O-line last year, but we were well below average. The FA signings aren't done and the draft isn'there yet....but we havea long ways to go to get our Oline up to average even at this point. Not certain how you can say he is going to have any upgrade there at all....

 

[blue4]

The Rams have talent, enough to be a very good offense. As a group we are talented down through the roster. But as we sit right now, this is the worst online Foles has played with. Scaffold is average at best, Barksdale if he resigns has problems against speed rushers and Robinson right now is 60% potential 40% actual performance. And everything else is a big unknown.
Their WRs are better playmakers then ours, but we are much deeper and it's unclear how much of our problems had to do with Schotty.
Our RBs would be just as good as theirs if we had an OL and were used properly. You know, if we didn't try to run Mason up the middle on 3rd and short while Stacy is on the sidelines.

I think Foles has a good supporting cast here, but I wouldn't say it's better then he had in Philly. Very different types of players.

Also, it's funny how a different uniform changes a person's mentality. I'm optimistic about QB this year with Foles. Even though every game I watched him play in 2013 & 2014 I came away thinking he was average and overrated. But hopefully our offense will suit him better.

 

[kurtfaulk]

I concur the offensive line as it stands now has me on suicide watch...Hopefully this week will take me off the ledge.

We can only hope. But whatever happens there may be 3 new linemen and the oline needs continuanity more than any unit in the field. Will they be able to gel as one when the season starts.

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[Boston Ram]

Its too hard to compare weapons when the offensive game plans are so disparate. I believe our offense should be better based on the talent or perceived talent.

If we don't fix this line nothing is going to matter.

On a side note, Tavon Austin's stats make my eyes bleed. Boy I hope he emerges this year. He is a weapon if they can get him the ball.

 

[mr.stlouis]

Trouble is pedestrian would be an upgrade from what he had. Yes they were an average O-line last year, but we were well below average. The FA signings aren't done and the draft isn'there yet....but we havea long ways to go to get our Oline up to average even at this point. Not certain how you can say he is going to have any upgrade there at all....

Fair as it stands. But I definately feel we could end up having a better OL the PHI when it's all said and done.

 

[fearsomefour]

Let us not get caught up in numbers. The Eagles offensive numbers will always be better because of scheme and coaching philosophy and where they play, NFC East. Still not sure Maclin is a #1 WR. He is in my opinion the number one candidate of the day one FA to disappoint.

So, you're saying the Eagles offense looks better because they put up better numbers, are more effective and have more success....I believe that makes them better.
Maclin could easily disappoint as could Britt.

 

[fearsomefour]

Its too hard to compare weapons when the offensive game plans are so disparate. I believe our offense should be better based on the talent or perceived talent.

If we don't fix this line nothing is going to matter.

On a side note, Tavon Austin's stats make my eyes bleed. Boy I hope he emerges this year. He is a weapon if they can get him the ball.

I agree with this post. It really is an apple-oranges comparison.
The biggest disappoint so far to me in the Fisher era is not figuring out how to use Austin. This just boggles my mind. When you trade up to take a guy at #8 overall there should be a plan in place I would think.
I agree Boston, until the line is fixed it won't matter who is running routes or who is chucking the ball.

 

[LazyWinker]

Lets not forget Riley cooper's hot season - very nice for a #3 receiver..

In July of 2013, Riley Cooper was just a guy that said a thing he shouldn't have said and tried to fight many people at a Kenny Chesney concert. Riley Cooper was a fringe player until Nick Foles found him and got him the ball.

 

[iced]

Davin Joseph and Scott Wells aren't on this team anymore. So they're irrelevant to what Foles's supporting cast here will be.

They're unknown question marks as to who their replacements are gonna be... That being said, unless they're All Pros, then its drop it off... and last i checked, this team hasn't had made any of those on the line

Gotta love "realists". There were plenty of "realists" who said that Quick didn't deserve a roster spot. You have your opinion. I have mine. Doesn't make you a realist or me a homer because my opinion paints the Rams in a better light.

Yep - there were also plenty of "realists" when it came to Jason Smith, Donnie Avery, Devin Joseph, etc.

When you see two guys outproducing what now? Our WRs and TEs combined for 240 receptions, 2988 yards, and 17 TDs last year. Maclin and Matthews combined for 152 receptions, 2190 yards, and 18 TDs. The only area where they outproduced them was TDs. The other two areas weren't even close. And that's despite the Eagles having nearly 1000 more passing yards and 7 more passing TDs. So that claim is clearly fictitious.

Lol wow that claim is fictitious huh? Or maybe you're just seeing what you want to see.

2 guys on one team having more touch downs than our entire corps is the bad part - and yes, putting more points on the board would be out producing.

It's that fact that just 2 players did more than 8-10 combined...And we're some how supposed to be better than them? lol k.

see what you want - but I don't think there's any coordinators at night that fear our receivers like they did Maclin

All your claims are based on stats. Stats don't mean matter.

Why should I bother making any other claims to someone says "I don't care what stats you provide - I believe what I believe and thats that"

I'm talking about skill and depth. We had more of it than them.

I'm sure we do have better depth at WR then some teams - however, there quite a few teams that have a better much corps (and more production) because they have that stud - the AJ Green, Julio, Antonio Brown, Maclin, etc.

As to Quick - yea I'm excited for his production and would like consider him something solid that we can build on. That being said, he didn't just tear his rotator cuff. According to Fisher, he did everything possible you could to a shoulder - so which begs the question - is he gonna make TC/Camp? Can he return to form from injury? Etc. Quick is the only receiver on this roster that I see as a true difference maker - however, now he gets in the injury bug..and we as we learned from Sam, you can't just assume he's going to stay healthy.

 

[iced]

Not me. Matthews is the same height. Faster. Had a better year statistically than Britt has ever had. I like Britt, but I like Matthews better.

exactly - I'd take their 2 starters over ours any day of the week and twice on sunday

 

[Boston Ram]

I agree with this post. It really is an apple-oranges comparison.
The biggest disappoint so far to me in the Fisher era is not figuring out how to use Austin. This just boggles my mind. When you trade up to take a guy at #8 overall there should be a plan in place I would think.
I agree Boston, until the line is fixed it won't matter who is running routes or who is chucking the ball.

This is really the disappointment for me with the FO. I agree, it seems like there was never a plan. I don't know if its the player or the system. Of course the good news is if this is the biggest disappointment then we are in pretty good shape, because it means they have done a lot right also!

 

[FRO]

Jordan Matthews has produced at every level. He is 6'3" 215. He has huge hands measuring at 10-3/8". Has long arms. Ran a 4.46 40. A 6.95 cone drill. 35.5" vertical. The guy has big time potential. I would take him over anybody we have.

 

[Dr C. Hill]

"The Rams WRs are already more talented than any group Foles had in Philly IMO but the key is Kelly and the excellent offensive coordination more than compensates for that."
Merlin




The Rams Wide receivers are better than Jackson, Maclin, Matthews, and Cooper? You do realize that not a single wide receiver on this team has ever, in their entire career posted Riley Cooper numbers right? System or not, numbers simply never lie. If you are talking about talent, that is subjective, but I would still take my chances with Maclin and Jackson over anyone our Rams have had since Holt.

That being said, those two are gone. I like the direction the Rams are taking, but until one of these guys breaks out plays like even a number 2 receiver for a season, I don't get the love. There is always potential, but do it talk! That is why A Cooper is a must if he is there at 10. The Rams have a lot of guys, I just don't think they have THE guy.

 

[Fatbot]

Didn't Dickerson used to carry the ball like a loaf of bread?

Yes for about 85 yards and a touchdown!

All due respect to the Dic, but I think this was the best loaf of bread run of all-time:

 

[DaveFan'51]

I believe the disparity in these stats was caused by the fact Our QB Play was inconsistent at best, and actually poor at times!
Therefore I believe, with the QB changes we have made, so far, we will be "MUCH BETTER" than Philly and a lot of other teams this coming season!!

 

[dbrooks25]

Jordan Matthews has produced at every level. He is 6'3" 215. He has huge hands measuring at 10-3/8". Has long arms. Ran a 4.46 40. A 6.95 cone drill. 35.5" vertical. The guy has big time potential. I would take him over anybody we have.

We get it, you like Jordan Matthews.

 

[dbrooks25]

They're unknown question marks as to who their replacements are gonna be... That being said, unless they're All Pros, then its drop it off... and last i checked, this team hasn't had made any of those on the line



Yep - there were also plenty of "realists" when it came to Jason Smith, Donnie Avery, Devin Joseph, etc.



Lol wow that claim is fictitious huh? Or maybe you're just seeing what you want to see.

2 guys on one team having more touch downs than our entire corps is the bad part - and yes, putting more points on the board would be out producing.

It's that fact that just 2 players did more than 8-10 combined...And we're some how supposed to be better than them? lol k.

see what you want - but I don't think there's any coordinators at night that fear our receivers like they did Maclin


Why should I bother making any other claims to someone says "I don't care what stats you provide - I believe what I believe and thats that"



I'm sure we do have better depth at WR then some teams - however, there quite a few teams that have a better much corps (and more production) because they have that stud - the AJ Green, Julio, Antonio Brown, Maclin, etc.

As to Quick - yea I'm excited for his production and would like consider him something solid that we can build on. That being said, he didn't just tear his rotator cuff. According to Fisher, he did everything possible you could to a shoulder - so which begs the question - is he gonna make TC/Camp? Can he return to form from injury? Etc. Quick is the only receiver on this roster that I see as a true difference maker - however, now he gets in the injury bug..and we as we learned from Sam, you can't just assume he's going to stay healthy.

Wait, so you're saying that unless the replacements for Davin Joseph and Scott Wells are All Pros then it's a drop off from what the Rams had on the offensive line last year or a a drop off from the Eagles line last year? If it's the former, then that's quite a reach.

I don't think you're gonna win this one here. You are really going off of stats alone and what most here are saying is that there are a lot of moving parts that impacted both teams. Like I said earlier, nobody will dispute the argument that our receivers would have put up far better numbers last year had we had a much more competent QB. If that would have happened (coupled with a healthy Quick), then this would be a much different story as far as the receivers are concerned.

 

[drasconis]

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I believe the disparity in these stats was caused by the fact Our QB Play was inconsistent at best, and actually poor at times!
Therefore I believe, with the QB changes we have made, so far, we will be "MUCH BETTER" than Philly and a lot of other teams this coming season!!

So you honestly seeing us bieng a top 3 Offense? We are going to make that kind of a jump? Philly was a top 5 O last year, even assuming a drop off it is likely they stay a top 10....to be "much better" than them we will need to be elite....like Broncos/Pats level. It is one thing to be posiitve and say this team will improve and this team will come into its' own....it is another to say this team is going to make a jump similar to the GSOT.

 

[iced]

Wait, so you're saying that unless the replacements for Davin Joseph and Scott Wells are All Pros then it's a drop off from what the Rams had on the offensive line last year or a a drop off from the Eagles line last year? If it's the former, then that's quite a reach.

From the Eagles... Talking about the OP - From Eagles last year or even 2013

I don't think you're gonna win this one here. You are really going off of stats alone and what most here are saying is that there are a lot of moving parts that impacted both teams. Like I said earlier, nobody will dispute the argument that our receivers would have put up far better numbers last year had we had a much more competent QB. If that would have happened (coupled with a healthy Quick), then this would be a much different story as far as the receivers are concerned.

Injuries work both ways though - you can easily make the same argument about Quick here as you can about their Line.. and their line is where I have the biggest issue with for the comparisons - again, 3 players that are top 5/10 at their position... we don't have a single one. Night and day difference

and they also had an incompetent QB - I'd take Shaun Hill over Sanchez all day