Extend Baker Mayfield, or wait?

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Baker Mayfield is in the window that Wentz and Goff were extended.

Do you extend Mayfield?

Andrew Berry: Calling Carson Wentz a cautionary tale for QB extensions is a stretch

The Rams and Eagles both traded up to draft Jared Goff and Carson Wentz in 2016.

The Rams and Eagles both gave lucrative extensions to Goff and Wentz during the summer of 2019 — the first year the quarterbacks could sign a second contract after completing their third seasons.

And now, the Rams and Eagles have both agreed to trade Goff and Wentz at the start of the 2021 league year.

At times, the two QBs demonstrated why their respective teams made such heavy investments in them. But had Los Angeles and Philadelphia let Goff and Wentz play out their fifth-year options — like Tampa Bay and Tennessee with Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota — then they would not have millions in dead cap allocated to quarterbacks who will play elsewhere in 2021.

Browns General Manager Andrew Berry worked for the Eagles as vice president of football operations in 2019. With quarterback Baker Mayfield eligible for an extension this offseason, Berry was asked if Wentz in particular serves as a cautionary tale.

“I don’t know that, with respect to anything that’s happened with any of the other 31 teams, that has a major bearing on how we’re going to address the quarterback situation here,” Berry said during his Wednesday press conference. “To me, we’ll evaluate that internally and make a decision that we think is best for our team and our organization. So I think it would be maybe a stretch to say that’s going to serve as a cautionary tale or any type of blueprint for us. We’ll make the best decision for us with the information that we have.”

After taking a step back in 2019, Mayfield displayed clear progress during his first year under Stefanski in 2020. The quarterback finished the season completing 63 percent of his passes for 26 touchdowns and eight interceptions. And Mayfield helped the Browns win a playoff game for the first time since 1994.

But he threw 21 picks in 2019 — more than anyone not named Winston.

It could be argued that the Rams were only able to deal for Matthew Stafford and the Eagles were able to receive a third-round pick and potentially a first-round pick because of those contract extensions. Still, the Browns may want to see another year of Mayfield just to be sure before they sign him to a long-term contract.
 

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I'd honestly rather be in the Rams or Eagles shoes than what the Cowboys are dealing with, like the Redskins had with Cousins..
Extend them early and not worry about franchise tag nonsense
 

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Nope he's in that Goff/Wentz tier - he will look really good as long as his OL and running game are elite. Once that changes, so will his play. Not worth it.
 

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I would extend Prescott and wait on Mayfield. Baker needs to prove to me football is the number one priority and not breakfast cereal at FirstEnergy Stadium.
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Tough decision, for a team that is finally tasting a little success.
 

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Extend Mayfield. You're looking at a limited amount of quarterbacks who will actually be good, and he's one of them. They have the weapons for him, they have the offensive line; they need to do it right. Mayfield's shown potential, and if he has another good year, the Browns can kiss their best quarterback in a very long time goodbye. If I'm the leader of that franchise, I sign Mayfield to a decent extension right now. Five years, however many million.

I don't like Mayfield as a person (and those commercials he's in are annoying as fuck), but he's a hell of a quarterback, and the Browns would be foolish to lose him with nobody in place to adequately take over.
 

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No way would I extend him at this point. He has two years left to prove himself, IMO.
 

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I don't think the Browns or any team should look to other teams' situations and use that as their basis for their own QB. Do what they feel is best.

If it works, great. If not, shit happens and move on. I think we all should be well aware teams will figure out the monies of it.
 

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I'd honestly rather be in the Rams or Eagles shoes than what the Cowboys are dealing with, like the Redskins had with Cousins..
Extend them early and not worry about franchise tag nonsense

It's a gamble no matter what you decide to do.
 

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It's a gamble no matter what you decide to do.
But you can get out of a bad contract, Didnt stop the Rams or Eagles. But if you're Cleveland? First playoff win in a million years, and while Baker may not be the next Peyton Manning the Browns are acutely aware of how hard it is to find a starting QB. They've had like 20 of them since 2000.
McVay and Snead keep teaching the league a lesson that everyone follows. Dont play nay starters in pre-season? Now everyone does same. Dont sign UFA, sign cut guys on 1 year deals and get comp picks? Now the league follows. Dead money? Rams say, so what. Id rather have dead money and new players then pay somebody they dont think is worth it. We'll see how the league follows.....
 

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After what we have witnessed the only guys I would lock up early are the future hall types. If you don't you will lose them at some point.

The rest of these clowns can wait. The Pats have demonstrated how to run that approach.
 

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After what we have witnessed the only guys I would lock up early are the future hall types. If you don't you will lose them at some point.

The rest of these clowns can wait. The Pats have demonstrated how to run that approach.
Didn’t the pats just have the same QB for almost 20 years and when they let him go they kind of sucked?
They extended Brady right after they stole the SB vs the Rams in 2002
QB are just a different animal than the rest, once they get franchised it seems like nothing good comes out of it.
 

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Didn’t the pats just have the same QB for almost 20 years and when they let him go they kind of sucked?
They extended Brady right after they stole the SB vs the Rams in 2002
QB are just a different animal than the rest, once they get franchised it seems like nothing good comes out of it.
They mean more no doubt. But if you pay one early and miss you feel it more too.

Money changes people though so in the end it's guesswork. You can have a nice young and unassuming QB who ends up a different player immediately after getting paid for example. Then the injuries and so on it's crazy the risk you bring on in inking guys early.

I was behind the Goff and Gurley earlybird signings. But that shit changed my perspective on it quite a bit. Also I wonder what both their 2019 stat lines would have been had they not been paid.
 

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I'm in the minority apparently, cuz I thing those commercials are hysterical.

I'd wait another year on Bake. He's really only had the one good year. If he gets them to the playoffs again and plays consistently good, mistake free football, extend him. Gotta have a good QB to win in the league.
 

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But that shit changed my perspective on it quite a bit. Also I wonder what both their 2019 stat lines would have been had they not been paid
That's where you contradict yourself, most fans do. If the idea is that once they sign for big $$, their play regresses, then you should support the early extension. Why? If Goff doesnt get extended early, and his play doesnt suffer, then what? Now you have to sign him, he costs more $$ because the alternative is being willing to let him walk or use franchise tag. Now he's got a higher cap number. Goff and Wentz are prime examples of teams that struggled to find a franchise QB for a decade. And only in hindsight can one think they would have been better off moving on from them vs re-signing.
I think the Rams are the perfect example of why to sign (QB) early. Because they were able to upgrade (in their mind) regardless of his contract. Worrying about the Cap and 1st round draft picks is about "winning" on paper. The Rams are focusing on winning on the field.
With Gurley, it's just a different sitch, how he was able to sign that extension with a knee that was that close to being shot out is just mind boggling to me. And an RB? Yeah, that's not a position I would ever sign early because the cap # on RB isnt anywhere near as debilitating as the QB.
And again, you brought up the Pats, they did what the Rams did with Brady. Signed him to a big extension in 2002, and then the Pats didnt make the playoffs and many wondered if they made a mistake. They're not the model of not doing it early, they are the model of signing early
 
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I'm in the minority apparently, cuz I thing those commercials are hysterical.

I'd wait another year on Bake. He's really only had the one good year. If he gets them to the playoffs again and plays consistently good, mistake free football, extend him. Gotta have a good QB to win in the league.
If he has a similar year this year to last, he'll be a 40 mill per year QB. They sign him now he's not close to that
 

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And again, you brought up the Pats, they did what the Rams did with Brady. Signed him to a big extension in 2002, and then the Pats didnt make the playoffs and many wondered if they made a mistake. They're not the model of not doing it early, they are the model of signing early
Every team hits and misses dieter. Overall point stands they've demonstrated an excellent approach and one I admire.
 

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I'm in the minority apparently, cuz I thing those commercials are hysterical.

I'd wait another year on Bake. He's really only had the one good year. If he gets them to the playoffs again and plays consistently good, mistake free football, extend him. Gotta have a good QB to win in the league.

Yeah they don't bother me. I'd rather have all Baker Mayfield commercials than the stupid sappy ones that are polluting the airwaves.