ESPN's Dan Graziano: Bad Sign that Chip Kelly Was Willing to trade Nick Foles

[OldSchool]

So the author is implying that what either you're good enough for Chip Kelly and his offense or you can't play in the NFL? News flash for this "journalist" different systems need different skill sets from its players. Guess what Grazuano Marshall Faulk didn't have the skill set to succeed in the Rams offense that Eric Dickson thrived in. And Dickerson wouldn't have been as successful in the GSOT. Doesn't mean either is less of a HOFer.

Damn I hate the offseason in this information age.

 

[Robocop]

Hell, I can flip this around: Bad sign that Jeff Fisher was willing to trade Sam Bradford.

News Flash: Bradford is ALWAYS injured, so even if the knee holds up, something else will likely knock him out of games. We got Foles and a 2nd rounder so I'm totally good with that.

well a slight difference. Bradford was traded cus they couldn't agree on pay cuts not directly because of injuries. and Nick Foles isn't exactly Mr. Ironman. won't know who won this trade until the end of the season or maybe even 2 or 3 from now.

 

[Merlin]

The safe bet is going with Kelly. He is the offensive genius. Nobody on the Rams is at his level, at least not right now. So it's a safe article by the writer to make those assumptions.

But what he is overlooking is two things:

First, that the Rams have more pieces in place than most realize. Talent is all over the joint, but it has not showed due to Sam not being healthy and in my opinion a poor OC as well.

Second, that we don't need Foles to be a Manning-level QB to win a lot of games. All he has to do is keep the turnovers down and distribute that ball to the underrated talent around him. If he is just a game manager that is ok, provided he stays healthy and makes good decisions with the ball.

Lastly... Graziano can suck it. That is all.

 

[RamBill]

NFC West Q&A: Is Nick Foles the answer at QB for Rams?
By Nick Wagoner

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/pos...a-is-nick-foles-the-answer-at-qb-for-the-rams

Today's question: One thing holding the St. Louis Rams back has been the quarterback position. Is Nick Foles the type of QB capable of helping them get over the hump?

Josh Weinfuss, Arizona Cardinals: This is another one-word answer: Nope. Here's the thing about NFL quarterbacks: They're all good. They wouldn't have a job or continue to sign contracts if they weren't. Here's the other thing about NFL quarterbacks: Some aren't as good as others. And Foles fits into that category. I'm most interested to see how he fits into Frank Cignetti's offense. If Foles struggles early, it'll be clear he was a system quarterback in Philadelphia. He had some success in the Philadelphia Eagles' system against the Cardinals, going 1-1 the past two seasons. He was 21-for-34 for 237 yards and three TDs in a 24-21 win in 2013. Last season, Foles threw 62 times against the Cardinals, completing 36 passes for 411 yards. But he had two TDs and two interceptions in a 24-20 loss. He had help with the Eagles -- with LeSean McCoy, Darren Sproles and Jeremy Maclin among others -- he won't have that kind of help in St. Louis.

Paul Gutierrez, San Francisco 49ers: Not against the 49ers. At least, not necessarily. Look, the Niners have faced Foles only once in his career and they made him look downright mediocre in a game his previous team, the Eagles, should have won last season. Foles had a passer rating of just 42.3 in throwing more incompletions (22) than completions (21) while getting picked off twice in a 26-21 Niners victory at Levi's Stadium. Foles only played in eight games last year and has never started in more than 10 in any of his three seasons. There is obviously an allure to his measurables, but unless the Rams are going to give him a receiving corps reminiscent of The Greatest Show On Turf, how is he an upgrade from Sam Bradford, who also has a hard time staying healthy and on the field? Bradford, at least, went 2-2-1 against the Niners while compiling an 88.8 passer rating in those five games. Then again, for the Rams to get over the hump, they need to beat the Seahawks, and Foles has never faced the Legion Of Boom.

Terry Blount, Seattle Seahawks: I may be in the minority on this one, but I think this was a great trade for the Rams. Even if Bradford comes back 100 percent healthy, it was time for St. Louis to cut ties and move on with someone who brings a different style of play. Frankly, I just don't get why Philadelphia coach Chip Kelly wanted to let Foles go. The Eagles were 6-2 with Foles last season and 4-4 without him. Yes, Foles throws too many interceptions, but now he has former NFL QBs Jeff Garcia and Chris Weinke to coach him and help eliminate some of those mistakes. At 6-foot-6, 245 pounds, Foles is a huge physical presence in the backfield and now he has gifted rookie running back Todd Gurley back there with him, when Gurley returns from ACL surgery. Time will tell, but I believe the Rams got the better end of the deal.

 

[RAGRam]

I would have been willing to make the Bradford for a 2nd round pick trade. Fact is we got a free 1 year look at a QB who has shown himself to be elite. If he doesn't work out then oh well let's move on freely and easily. If he does work out then boom we're sorted for the next 15 years, seems like a risk worth taking to me.

 

[ram007]

I believe Nick Foles will be Brady 2.0 (no deflate jokes here). This season almost feels like start of the 12-14 year domination of the Rams in NFL

 

[HometownBoy]

I wouldn't say it's a damning sign, it's not like there's no examples of guys being traded on a downward trend suddenly revitalizing their careers.

But from a not counting your eggs before they hatch standpoint he's not incorrect. You don't trade somebody who's already on his way to being a future Hall of Famer. Especially for Sam Bradford, a guy who hasn't played football in 1.5 years.

A modicum of patience is necessary to see what's what with Nick Foles.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

So Chip Kelly is now the authority on NFL football? If Chip does not want a player then that player must suck?

It is obvious that Graziani values Chips decisions, but I doubt the rest of the league does. Chip still has not won anything. His second season was not so great and his first season he did great but mostly against a very weak bunch of opponents. Year two NFL coaches figured him out and the results were not the same, so Chip suddenly decides that it must be the players because his system is infallible? No not really. He wanted 'his' guys and guys that are a better fit for his system is all. Does LeSean McCoy suddenly suck? Maclin? DJ?

If you ask me Kelly has made a bunch of boneheaded moves and has doomed that Eagles franchise to the dregs of the league for years. He moved out all of the star quality players for B players, injured stars, and obedient lackeys.

Remember Martz thought Bulger was better than Kurt.

 

[Afro Ram]

I still say the Rams should extend Foles before the season starts. Yes I know. I'm largely in the minority.

 

[HitStick]

Everyone says Chip Kelly is an offensive genius, I say he did what he did with the team that Andy Reid built.

We (as Rams fans) saw first hand what an offensive genius can do to a team that he did not build once he finally starts making the calls.

Don't forget, Chip Kelly traded away the absolute best deep threat in the NFL, traded away on of the best all around running backs in the NFL, and let his best all around receiver walk to KC.

Jackson put up 1300 yards and 9 TDs with Foles, you let a player like that leave, then your QB has a bad season, you blame the QB?

Hello Mad Mike.

Bradford is fucked.

 

[jjab360]

NFC West Q&A: Is Nick Foles the answer at QB for Rams?
By Nick Wagoner

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/pos...a-is-nick-foles-the-answer-at-qb-for-the-rams

Today's question: One thing holding the St. Louis Rams back has been the quarterback position. Is Nick Foles the type of QB capable of helping them get over the hump?

Josh Weinfuss, Arizona Cardinals: This is another one-word answer: Nope. Here's the thing about NFL quarterbacks: They're all good. They wouldn't have a job or continue to sign contracts if they weren't. Here's the other thing about NFL quarterbacks: Some aren't as good as others. And Foles fits into that category. I'm most interested to see how he fits into Frank Cignetti's offense. If Foles struggles early, it'll be clear he was a system quarterback in Philadelphia. He had some success in the Philadelphia Eagles' system against the Cardinals, going 1-1 the past two seasons. He was 21-for-34 for 237 yards and three TDs in a 24-21 win in 2013. Last season, Foles threw 62 times against the Cardinals, completing 36 passes for 411 yards. But he had two TDs and two interceptions in a 24-20 loss. He had help with the Eagles -- with LeSean McCoy, Darren Sproles and Jeremy Maclin among others -- he won't have that kind of help in St. Louis.

Paul Gutierrez, San Francisco 49ers: Not against the 49ers. At least, not necessarily. Look, the Niners have faced Foles only once in his career and they made him look downright mediocre in a game his previous team, the Eagles, should have won last season. Foles had a passer rating of just 42.3 in throwing more incompletions (22) than completions (21) while getting picked off twice in a 26-21 Niners victory at Levi's Stadium. Foles only played in eight games last year and has never started in more than 10 in any of his three seasons. There is obviously an allure to his measurables, but unless the Rams are going to give him a receiving corps reminiscent of The Greatest Show On Turf, how is he an upgrade from Sam Bradford, who also has a hard time staying healthy and on the field? Bradford, at least, went 2-2-1 against the Niners while compiling an 88.8 passer rating in those five games. Then again, for the Rams to get over the hump, they need to beat the Seahawks, and Foles has never faced the Legion Of Boom.

Terry Blount, Seattle Seahawks: I may be in the minority on this one, but I think this was a great trade for the Rams. Even if Bradford comes back 100 percent healthy, it was time for St. Louis to cut ties and move on with someone who brings a different style of play. Frankly, I just don't get why Philadelphia coach Chip Kelly wanted to let Foles go. The Eagles were 6-2 with Foles last season and 4-4 without him. Yes, Foles throws too many interceptions, but now he has former NFL QBs Jeff Garcia and Chris Weinke to coach him and help eliminate some of those mistakes. At 6-foot-6, 245 pounds, Foles is a huge physical presence in the backfield and now he has gifted rookie running back Todd Gurley back there with him, when Gurley returns from ACL surgery. Time will tell, but I believe the Rams got the better end of the deal.

Wow, 69ers and Cards fans giving their team's fans a bad name... again. How can they pretend to have the answer when they've clearly only seen Foles play when they're going up against their favorite teams?

At least the Hags fan has a decent, if rudimentary, grasp of the situation. Other two guys gave absolutely no insight and shouldn't have even answered.

 

[RhodyRams]

Click the link and put more money on this journalistic hacks wallet

 

[Apcalls]

Can Nick Foles help the Rams win? ESPN NFL Insider Dan Graziano thinks that it is a bad sign that Chip Kelly was willing to trade Nick Foles to St. Louis. Watch Graziano Talk Foles

Yes it's a very bad sign of Kelly's G.M. ability.. Think about it.. Vick nor Sanchez had/have a winning record under Kelly and his "offensive genuis".. Only Foles. Rams got the steal of the century in the trade.

 

[LACHAMP46]

Terry Blount, Seattle Seahawks: I may be in the minority on this one, but I think this was a great trade for the Rams. Even if Bradford comes back 100 percent healthy, it was time for St. Louis to cut ties and move on with someone who brings a different style of play. Frankly, I just don't get why Philadelphia coach Chip Kelly wanted to let Foles go. The Eagles were 6-2 with Foles last season and 4-4 without him. Yes, Foles throws too many interceptions, but now he has former NFL QBs Jeff Garcia and Chris Weinke to coach him and help eliminate some of those mistakes. At 6-foot-6, 245 pounds, Foles is a huge physical presence in the backfield and now he has gifted rookie running back Todd Gurley back there with him, when Gurley returns from ACL surgery. Time will tell, but I believe the Rams got the better end of the deal.

See, not all Seahawks are crazy....

 

[So Ram]

T

No new info here.
But, I don't disagree. I would not extend Foles now. He is a C+ guy to me. But, he is still pretty young and can probably grow. What does a C+ QB demand now? $11M a year?
Crazy.

Think it was like when The Rams traded Jaws to Philly & Philly went to

Foles is so much better than anything The Rams have had at QB for years.
This guy has his head up his azz.Thinking maybe the same here.A solid QB is hard to find.Nick Foles says it best.F- Stats it's about wins & playing for each other.
--In fact if you look at amici Foles feet & same with Joe Montana.They side step so well & by the self time.

---Tell me this ---When was the last time The Rams had a QB besides Kurt Warner that has such great pocket presence ??? Yeah I said it.Foles may not be Aaron Rogers,but he is a solid QB that has an excellent feel for the game.He is just smooth.

 

[RAGRam]

Yes it's a very bad sign of Kelly's G.M. ability.. Think about it.. Vick nor Sanchez had/have a winning record under Kelly and his "offensive genuis".. Only Foles. Rams got the steal of the century in the trade.

I do love giving QBs credit for wins and loses, mainly because it ignores absolutely everything that happened in the games, take the Eagles game 8 of last season for example, Foles left the game injured at the end of Q1 with the score tied 7-7, Sanchez comes in leads the team to 24 points, and Foles gets the win simply by virtue of playing the first snap.

 

[LumberTubs]

Until the Rams are 'flavour of the month' like Chip Kelly seems to be (for most journalists) then writers are going to continue to churn out shite like this.

It p1sses me off not because they're bashing the Rams (ok maybe a little bit) but because these articles are so far removed from any sort of proper journalism. When we're NFC champs it'll be different.

Plus where will all these people be when everything goes tits up for Chip Kelly this season? I cant wait to see it all go wrong in Philly

 

[Rabid Ram]

So I guess shady Mccoy must suck as well since chip was willing to deal him away as well? Gosh there must have been Alot of crap on that team since chip was willing to listen to any and all possible trade scenarios.

 

[RamBill]

ESPN’s Ashley Fox and Mark Brunell discuss the Eagles’ quarterback battle, which coach Chip Kelly says is an open competition, and who they think will open the season as the starter. Fox says Bradford is “all arm” when he’s throwing right now and not using his lower body at all. She questions whether he’ll be ready for Week 1. Both Fox and Brunell think Sanchez will be starting the season for the Eagles at QB. That wouldn’t be good for the Rams who may owe the Eagles a draft pick back next year depending on how much Bradford plays.

Watch Bradford Discussion

 

[fearsomefour]

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Think it was like when The Rams traded Jaws to Philly & Philly went to

Foles is so much better than anything The Rams have had at QB for years.
This guy has his head up his azz.Thinking maybe the same here.A solid QB is hard to find.Nick Foles says it best.F- Stats it's about wins & playing for each other.
--In fact if you look at amici Foles feet & same with Joe Montana.They side step so well & by the self time.

---Tell me this ---When was the last time The Rams had a QB besides Kurt Warner that has such great pocket presence ??? Yeah I said it.Foles may not be Aaron Rogers,but he is a solid QB that has an excellent feel for the game.He is just smooth.

Foles doesn't impress me.
He is average. But that's ok. He is young and can grow. I expect average play from him. But I am also hoping to be pleasantly surprised.