Draft: OLB at 57

[MachS]

What do you thing about Kenny Golladay wanting to come to LaLa land?
6'4" about 215lbs 4.5/ 40yd. I know he is not a speedster
but can get deep and has shown he can beat defenders with his size.

Oh man I would love it. Golladay is a true #1 WR IMO and would be our best WR instantly if we signed him. He's going to cost a lot of money though, so it will only happen if we trade Woods or Kupp. And hes actually very good on deep passes even though he doesn't have elite speed. I've watched a lot of Detriot games the last few years because I had him and Deandre Swift in fantasy. Which is why I've been so excited about Stafford.

Regarding a WRs speed, check out this tweet below I saw yesterday. Hopkins, Adams, and AJ Brown all great deep WRs even though they don't have elite speed. Technique > Speed all day every day. People see Tyreek Hill and get mesmerised by his speed, but hes a great route runner and incredible in/out of his breaks. Thats why guys like John Ross that run 4.24 and Tavon Austin 4.34 are still bad. Straight line speed isnt all that matters to be a good deep threat. What did Jerry Rice run? 4.6? But anyways yea would love Golladay if we could swing it. I would trade Kupp(only because of injury concerns) and roll with Golloday, Woods, Jefferson.


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[Elmgrovegnome]

Just my opinion- but I think Lewis will stay healthy and be a huge impact player. As the years go by, people will jump on the Lewis bandwagon and say they were for the pick. Receipts

For the record, I didn’t like the pick. I will never say I did.

That's some funny shit. He may have been able to do that when he was young but now, no way. He'd get destroyed on contain.

We could use a 5T though. Brock had a good season but he's better at 3T than he is 5T. And Robinson didn't really move the needle when he was in there. So I feel like that combined cash we're paying both those guys could be moved to Watt if he were to consider playing for us. Think last time I looked it was like $15M combined.

I never saw Brockers as a NT. I think he did very good last year.

 

[BonifayRam]

That's some funny shit. He may have been able to do that when he was young but now, no way. He'd get destroyed on contain.

We could use a 5T though. Brock had a good season but he's better at 3T than he is 5T. And Robinson didn't really move the needle when he was in there. So I feel like that combined cash we're paying both those guys could be moved to Watt if he were to consider playing for us. Think last time I looked it was like $15M combined.

I would be very hesitant to consider moving on from Robinson after his early unhealthy 2020 season. I see no need for another 5 tech in this Henderson coached DL.

DL Robinson got an HD amount of his snaps giving 3 tech Aaron Donald as rest. Robinson playing 3 tech is way out of his comfort zone IMO. IF there was a vacancy @ the 5 tech post which there is not Robinson would be much more solid there. Fox was the DL who saw most of the relief time for Brockers.

I agree Micheal Brockers was & is a good 3 tech post player in the 34 D or the 43 D. I like Brockers but there is no better time than now to move to consider trade offers. I would be preparing to utilize Robinson as the primary & Jospeh-Day as the secondary @ that starting 5 tech post.

I would start Greg Gaines now entering his 3rd season @ that NT post with SJ-D getting the relief snaps. I would also ensure SJ-D would see as many snaps as Gaines & Robinson working over both NT & 5 tech. A dark horse back up @ the 5 tech is Marquise Copeland also entering his 3rd TC as a Ram.

Rams do have a need for a back up to AD. If nothing changes it would most likely come from either Eric Banks or Jonah Williams both entering their 2nd seasons as Rams.

 

[Ram Ts]

For the record, I didn’t like the pick. I will never say I did.

Yeah I’ve always been a fan of the underdog; and like going against the grain. That’s probably why I am so rooting for the kid. That and I always want the best for our Rams whether they are “my guy” or not.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Yeah I’ve always been a fan of the underdog; and like going against the grain. That’s probably why I am so rooting for the kid. That and I always want the best for our Rams whether they are “my guy” or not.

I have a thing about drafting players who have had serious injuries causing them to miss a number of games.

I find it interesting that many Rod members interpret someone not liking a pick to mean they don’t like the player or are rooting for that player to fail. That is counter intuitive to being a fan of the team.

There are many picks through the years that I hated. But if every one of them became an All-Pro then I’d be elated. Most fans are like this.

 

[Ram Ts]

I have a thing about drafting players who have had serious injuries causing them to miss a number of games.

I find it interesting that many Rod members interpret someone not liking a pick to mean they don’t like the player or are rooting for that player to fail. That is counter intuitive to being a fan of the team.

There are many picks through the years that I hated. But if every one of them became an All-Pro then I’d be elated. Most fans are like this.

I didn’t mean you are against him succeeding. I meant that we as fans always have an extra something for certain guys we identify for whatever reason as “our guy”. AD is a prime example- Kupp too. Whereas someone like Suh, while you root big time for guy while he was here, you always know in the back of your head he’s a one year mercenary type. It just means a bit more when your guy succeeds.

 

[CoachAllred]

I saw yesterday. Hopkins, Adams, and AJ Brown all great deep WRs even though they don't have elite speed.

Even though Detroit is probably going franchise him and we would have a hard time affording Galloday,
this still proves that when were talking about deep threats, speed is not a necessary ingredient.
Galloday only runs a 4.5 but his size allows him to consistently beat coverage deep.
I think that is what the Rams had in mind when drafting Reynolds. That he could use his
size to make plays down field and improve our ability to convert in the redzone.
But Reynolds has yet to show the jump ball ability he demonstrated at times in college.
Not sure it was all his fault as Goff struggled with his deep ball in the last couple years.

 

[Merlin]

Rams do have a need for a back up to AD. If nothing changes it would most likely come from either Eric Banks or Jonah Williams both entering their 2nd seasons as Rams.

Brock is AD's backup. 3T is probably his best spot so as long as they don't cut or move him that's taken care of I think. Robinson can play there too not ideal by any means but if the Rams keep him around he's a depth option at all three spots.

Right now I'm wondering how big the cuts are gonna be for this lower cap across the league. There are some guys I have my eye on who I'd like to see us add after they're cut (like for example McKinney of the Texans) but of course there's no telling what the Rams will prioritize they always have a screwball coming for us lol.

 

[Merlin]

Btw since I mentioned McKinney check out the DL he had in front of him. We all know PFF is hit and miss but still damn...

 

[BonifayRam]

Brock is AD's backup. 3T is probably his best spot so as long as they don't cut or move him that's taken care of I think. Robinson can play there too not ideal by any means but if the Rams keep him around he's a depth option at all three spots.

Right now I'm wondering how big the cuts are gonna be for this lower cap across the league. There are some guys I have my eye on who I'd like to see us add after they're cut (like for example McKinney of the Texans) but of course there's no telling what the Rams will prioritize they always have a screwball coming for us lol.

That would be true........Understand.....But Coach Henderson has two ascending young DL'ers on his hands coming this 2021 season both need to see a good amount of snaps & IMO Gaines hardly broke a sweat yet! Rams has a very good young strong 5 tech in Sebastian Joseph-Day. He could handle that post all by himself with Gaines doing the same @ NT. So both need snaps! Brockers & Donald do not.

A fully Heathy Robinson is also going to demand snaps after a scary & non-operation half 2020 for him. With 3 DL'ers all demanding snaps & all young I just do not see a need to spend any non-excsisting cap funds in this unit. My position is the Rams DL can lose both veteran Brockers & Morgan Fox & not take measurable hits in the DL strength.

Morris cupboard is seriously bare @ OLB'ers with having only 2 healthy young in-experience under contract whereas his DL is overloaded in comparison!

Rams last season stashed (red-shirted) four DL'ers all season. They must like them all & it gave Henderson all season to coach these fully healthy DL'ers up. After reading the articles & other material on new DC Morris & his plans for the Rams 2021 defense it sounds like we will see a heavier dose of a much thicker/ heavier/ larger four-man DL's this season.

Morris/Henderson does have some 43 DE types under contract, Eric Banks, 6-5 270, Jonah Williams 6-5 275, (CFL's) Mike Hoecht who is 6-4 over 300lbs who runs a 4.6 in the 40 & Justin Lawler 6-4 265 that are far more 43D edge rushers than 34D. Even the unhealthy 22 yr old OLB'er Terrell Lewis is still growing & he is already over 6-5 approx 265 lbs. No telling how much bigger he gets with a full yr of NFL weight training under his belt. So Morris currently has so much more material to work with shifting to a 43D DL.

Rams may be forced to take the hit with Brockers in order to get a OLB McKinney.

 

[ramfan46]

That would be true........Understand.....But Coach Henderson has two ascending young DL'ers on his hands coming this 2021 season both need to see a good amount of snaps & IMO Gaines hardly broke a sweat yet! Rams has a very good young strong 5 tech in Sebastian Joseph-Day. He could handle that post all by himself with Gaines doing the same @ NT. So both need snaps! Brockers & Donald do not.

A fully Heathy Robinson is also going to demand snaps after a scary & non-operation half 2020 for him. With 3 DL'ers all demanding snaps & all young I just do not see a need to spend any non-excsisting cap funds in this unit. My position is the Rams DL can lose both veteran Brockers & Morgan Fox & not take measurable hits in the DL strength.

Morris cupboard is seriously bare @ OLB'ers with having only 2 healthy young in-experience under contract whereas his DL is overloaded in comparison!

Rams last season stashed (red-shirted) four DL'ers all season. They must like them all & it gave Henderson all season to coach these fully healthy DL'ers up. After reading the articles & other material on new DC Morris & his plans for the Rams 2021 defense it sounds like we will see a heavier dose of a much thicker/ heavier/ larger four-man DL's this season.

Morris/Henderson does have some 43 DE types under contract, Eric Banks, 6-5 270, Jonah Williams 6-5 275, (CFL's) Mike Hoecht who is 6-4 over 300lbs who runs a 4.6 in the 40 & Justin Lawler 6-4 265 that are far more 43D edge rushers than 34D. Even the unhealthy 22 yr old OLB'er Terrell Lewis is still growing & he is already over 6-5 approx 265 lbs. No telling how much bigger he gets with a full yr of NFL weight training under his belt. So Morris currently has so much more material to work with shifting to a 43D DL.

Rams may be forced to take the hit with Brockers in order to get a OLB McKinney.

The draft will tell us how much they like Banks, Williams and Hoecht. I hope we get a preseason to get a look at them in game action.

 

[Merlin]

Oh man I would love it. Golladay is a true #1 WR IMO and would be our best WR instantly if we signed him. He's going to cost a lot of money though, so it will only happen if we trade Woods or Kupp. And hes actually very good on deep passes even though he doesn't have elite speed. I've watched a lot of Detriot games the last few years because I had him and Deandre Swift in fantasy. Which is why I've been so excited about Stafford.

Regarding a WRs speed, check out this tweet below I saw yesterday. Hopkins, Adams, and AJ Brown all great deep WRs even though they don't have elite speed. Technique > Speed all day every day. People see Tyreek Hill and get mesmerised by his speed, but hes a great route runner and incredible in/out of his breaks. Thats why guys like John Ross that run 4.24 and Tavon Austin 4.34 are still bad. Straight line speed isnt all that matters to be a good deep threat. What did Jerry Rice run? 4.6? But anyways yea would love Golladay if we could swing it. I would trade Kupp(only because of injury concerns) and roll with Golloday, Woods, Jefferson.


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Interesting that 3 of the top 5 are guys who are in the 4.5s in their forties. I'm with you on speed not being a sole consideration. But we definitely need more speed at the position.

Rams are gonna draft wideout IMO. They'll also probably add speed in the slot due to the bigger guys going off the board so quickly every year. You can get those slot types into round 3 or 4.

Looking in that round two range Dyami Brown is a nice fit (ranked 57th by PFF and 59th by TDN). He ran a heavy diet of deep routes (he definitely fills that need for us) but also is so smooth that I think he'll be a quick study in his weakness which is that he doesn't have a full route tree on tape. He also ran a 10.78 100 yard dash in high school btw. Of course since wideouts are routinely taken off the board quickly I have to think the rankings on this guy are off a bit. He's on my list of guys who I think are fits but will probably go higher than they're being listed.

Good example of what I'm talking about is Elijah Moore (Ole Miss) who is a 5'9" 185 lb explosive dynamo who is at 30th on PFF's big board and 101st on the Draft Network. Which one is closer to the truth? The guy is a tough little MFer but he's also a little MFer. I don't think the first round is in play for him, I think he's in a very big group of early round two types who might slide to us. But who knows. Toney for example (who is sorted close to him on PFF's rankings) is much more of a guy teams will desire in round one.

I'm guessing that this year the size of that "maybe" group that might get to us at 57 is enormous. Which is why I hope the Rams don't move down. There's gonna be multiple impact options at OLB and maybe WR and ILB. Hell maybe we really get lucky and Friermuth falls to us. Ok maybe not. Let's not get crazy here.

 

[PressureD41]

@Ram_Rally Safe to say he's a total wildcard health wise.

 

[PressureD41]

Terrell Lewis - After basically a red-shirt year should be FIRE!!!

If not, we hold Snead down and shave his head.

C'mon man leave Snead flow allow LOL

 

[MachS]

Interesting that 3 of the top 5 are guys who are in the 4.5s in their forties. I'm with you on speed not being a sole consideration. But we definitely need more speed at the position.

Rams are gonna draft wideout IMO. They'll also probably add speed in the slot due to the bigger guys going off the board so quickly every year. You can get those slot types into round 3 or 4.

Looking in that round two range Dyami Brown is a nice fit (ranked 57th by PFF and 59th by TDN). He ran a heavy diet of deep routes (he definitely fills that need for us) but also is so smooth that I think he'll be a quick study in his weakness which is that he doesn't have a full route tree on tape. He also ran a 10.78 100 yard dash in high school btw. Of course since wideouts are routinely taken off the board quickly I have to think the rankings on this guy are off a bit. He's on my list of guys who I think are fits but will probably go higher than they're being listed.

Good example of what I'm talking about is Elijah Moore (Ole Miss) who is a 5'9" 185 lb explosive dynamo who is at 30th on PFF's big board and 101st on the Draft Network. Which one is closer to the truth? The guy is a tough little MFer but he's also a little MFer. I don't think the first round is in play for him, I think he's in a very big group of early round two types who might slide to us. But who knows. Toney for example (who is sorted close to him on PFF's rankings) is much more of a guy teams will desire in round one.

I'm guessing that this year the size of that "maybe" group that might get to us at 57 is enormous. Which is why I hope the Rams don't move down. There's gonna be multiple impact options at OLB and maybe WR and ILB. Hell maybe we really get lucky and Friermuth falls to us. Ok maybe not. Let's not get crazy here.

Yea last week I really started digging into both the senior bowl and draft prospects, and there are some stud WRs. I agree we can add a great playmaker in round 2-3 if we want. I'm always down for a WR early lol but it depends on BPA and how the draft falls. If we add Alex Mack or an interior OL in free agency, I think we go WR or Edge at 57.

Looking at 57, I wouldn't be mad at all with Elijah Moore. He seems like lightning in a bottle. I'm praying that Kadarius Toney falls to 57. Long shot but we could get lucky. I think he'll be more early 2nd though. The guy that has really caught my eye is Tylan Wallace from OSU. This kid looks to be a complete WR and was solid at the senior bowl. Went back and watched his film and OMG he's gonna be a steal at the next level. Great speed and route runner, great on deep routes and high pointing the ball, very good after the catch too. Got a feeling about him. 6'0, 4.45 speed but plays bigger than 6'0. Haven't seen Brown's game yet but I'll check him out, 10.78 100yrd is pretty damn fast lol. There's a few other day 2 guys I want to watch too.

 

[iamme33]

did anyone else see that horse's chest raise and fall. i think it is still alive so i'm going to whack it one more time. because we trade away so many high round picks we have to pick players who have high potential but other flaws like injuries size or speed off field problems or many others. after all there is a reason they fall down the draft board. dose not mean they can't over come their problems but is why they dropped a lot of the time.

 

[Merlin]

The guy that has really caught my eye is Tylan Wallace from OSU.

Yeah he's something. And you know McVay is probably going nuts looking at these guys lol.

Here's his PFF breakdown look at that consistency in production:

 

[MachS]

Yeah he's something. And you know McVay is probably going nuts looking at these guys lol.

Here's his PFF breakdown look at that consistency in production:

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Wow yea ridiculously productive. And most contested catches in college fb the last three years is incredible. Track background too, placed 5th in the state in the triple jump. I would love to draft him. McVay knows WRs well so I wonder who he will be targeting. And if it will be at 57 or in round 3.

 

[BonifayRam]

I am all in on upgrading our Edge Rushing cadre. A future LT or a ER just feels like the way to go. Going defensively in this case hopefully will bring early returns than a future LT prospect. With the NFL being about even with 34 D's vs 43 D's ....hitting on a hot tweener pass rusher looks like an obtainable goal.

Just way too many health questions lurking around on Terrell Lewis & Justin Lawler. The Lewis situation is real disturbing...lingered throughout Bama & now in the NFL to make me feel comfortable. I look for Og Okoronkwo (entering his 4th season) to provide enough talent to replace the departed Floyd. I would look for Justin Hollins (entering his 3rd season) to replace Ebukam. Rams really do not have any other OLB'er signed.

Rams must get in some replacements here @ OLB/ER cadre for 2021.

Can the LA Rams trust OLB Terrell Lewis’ knees?
Can the LA Rams truly trust OLB Terrell Lewis' knees? (ramblinfan.com)

He’s incredibly huge. He makes such a dominating presence on the LA Rams defense. He stands 6-foot-5 and weighs 262 pounds. When healthy, he can dominate off the edge as well as any NFL player past present, or future. So the trick is, keeping him healthy. And the Rams haven’t learned that trick yet. Of course, we’re talking about outside linebacker Terrell Lewis. And after a preseason build-up of projected solid production and first-year contribution, it all just fell apart.

The first year of an NFL player’s career is typically their healthiest. But that was not the case for Lewis. He played in just eight games and saw just 124 defensive snaps. On a rotational basis, that placed him at fifth on the number of defensive snaps for the team. But with both Leonard Floyd and Samson Ebukam expected to find plenty of suitors in the NFL Free Agency market, Lewis was intended to make up the difference on defense.

Plans have been modified.

Of course, things could all fall into place for the second-year pass rusher for the Rams. After all, he was rather coddled in his first NFL season. He was slow out of the gates, suffering a mysterious swollen knee ailment that delayed his debut until the Rams’ fifth game of the season.

He missed another four-game stretch as well. After defeating the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on the road, he did not return to the defense until week 16, when the Rams traveled to face the Seattle Seahawks. It was the first meeting against the Seahawks when Lewis flashed brilliance, sacking Russell Wilson twice. They were Lewis’ only sacks of the season.

The thing is not that he missed games. It’s because the Rams medical staff were absolutely mystified by whatever knee ailment kept Lewis off the field in 2020. No diagnosis means no treatment or cure. That means that Lewis and the Rams could face a repeat in 2021. Can the Rams trust him to show up ready to play in 2021?

Ideally, he could take on more defense snaps, but I wouldn’t expect him to do more than about 250 defensive snaps in 2021. That means that the Rams will need to find players to take on about 1100 more snaps in the new year. Some of that will be distributed among the existing players. But the Rams roster definitely needs a veteran edge player capable of starting.

It’s very likely that the Rams will look for an additional edge rusher on day two of the 2021 NFL Draft as well. Overkill? Considering how the team continued to shop for EDGE depth throughout the season, I don’t think so. The Rams are extremely light at all of the linebacker positions. If Lewis can earn and retain a starting role for 2021, so much the better. But to be sure, look for the Rams to plan for a part-time contribution from Lewis for now.

 

[Merlin]

The thing is not that he missed games. It’s because the Rams medical staff were absolutely mystified by whatever knee ailment kept Lewis off the field in 2020. No diagnosis means no treatment or cure. That means that Lewis and the Rams could face a repeat in 2021. Can the Rams trust him to show up ready to play in 2021?

Les needs to slow his roll on these medical risk longshots. Quit that shit. And I'm really tired of knee issues in particular.