Deshaun Watson wants to be traded. Bears?

[jrry32]

Imho with the Cap being what it is going to be in 2021,No Way in Heck.

To correct myself Watson would be a 16 mill hit,Goff 30 mill plus, that's 46 mill.plus

Than in 2022 Watson would be a 40 plus mill hit. Those numbers don't come anywhere near Cooks and Gurley.

Plus reports are Houston wants 3 1's and a Couple 2's.

Now if this was posted in 2022,I could see it, but this year LMMFAO.

Under Center 2021 Will be Goff.

You're not subtracting the signing bonus. The Texans already paid it, so it stays on their books. We can make the cap work. And Watson is worth the money in the future. The problem is that we don't have enough picks, and it's not worth gutting this team by trading Goff and another star player.

 

[nighttrain]

You're not subtracting the signing bonus. The Texans already paid it, so it stays on their books. We can make the cap work. And Watson is worth the money in the future. The problem is that we don't have enough picks, and it's not worth gutting this team by trading Goff and another star player.

what about Goff and Havenstien and through in Boom? +2 firsts and 3 rd
train

 

[dang]

According to overthecap.com jrry32 is correct. The cap hit for the Rams would only be $10.5 million (his base salary). The pro-rated signing bonus affects the Texans.

And if Goff were included in a pre-June 1st trade, while they would have $22.2 million in dead money, the $12.4 cap savings is more than enough to cover Watson's 2021 salary. And there is even more savings for both team in a post June 1st deal.

Compensation? The Rams would probably have to give up another starter along with draft choices.

Webster???

 

[TheBunk]

Well we have some extra picks to sweeten any potential deal now.

 

[jrry32]

what about Goff and Havenstien and through in Boom? +2 firsts and 3 rd
train

Unless nobody else is interested and they're desperate to get rid of him, that won't do it.

 

[GoodBadUgly]

I seem to be in the minority to suggest I’d rather keep Goff and roll with our annual improvements than add Watson and deal with what we’d have to give up (even the most Ram-friendly version).

 

[FrantikRam]

I would give up Goff, anyone not named Donald or Ramsey, and two first round picks.

This might actually be enticing to them because in most cases like this teams would prefer the player to switch conferences.

If I'm Les I call them right now and say here's what you get:

Goff
2022 first round pick
2023 first round pick
Any one player not named Donald or Ramsey - this could be Woods/Kupp/Akers/Darious Williams - any player of their choosing aside from those two

While Tua is cheaper than Goff, and cap may be an issue for them - from what I've seen of Tua, I don't think he will be a good NFL QB. Goff with a great roster has proven he can make a Super Bowl, and those draft picks will help you form a solid roster.

It's a pipe dream as Houston would likely get better offers than this, but I believe even if we lost Akers or Kupp, that we would be the favorites to win it all next year if we pulled off this trade.

And I'll say this - if rumors are coming along that the Niners are about to trade for him, I would throw in an extra first round pick or two to prevent that from happening

 

[FrantikRam]

Here's another thought: unprecedented in the NFL, but we've gone so long without a first round pick...

Goff and five first round picks. If that would do it, then DO IT. We've gone this long drafting just fine without one.

 

[jrry32]

Here's another thought: unprecedented in the NFL, but we've gone so long without a first round pick...

Goff and five first round picks. If that would do it, then DO IT. We've gone this long drafting just fine without one.

No. That's too much.

 

[FrantikRam]

No. That's too much.

Why though? These would all be in the 26-32 range and it allows us to keep Akers/Woods/Kupp our OL and most of our defense. And we'd still get our continuous stream of comp picks.

I would have no problem with it.

 

[jrry32]

Why though? These would all be in the 26-32 range and it allows us to keep Akers/Woods/Kupp our OL and most of our defense. And we'd still get our continuous stream of comp picks.

I would have no problem with it.

The Texans just finished with the #3 pick this year with Watson at QB. Watson has had injuries in the past. We are far from guaranteed that all those picks would be in that range. Goff + 2 1sts + another starter? Yeah, I'll do that. I'm not trading 5 first round picks. To put that into context, that's Goff + Two Jalen Ramseys + Brandin Cooks. No.

 

[Faceplant]

The Texans just finished with the #3 pick this year with Watson at QB. Watson has had injuries in the past. We are far from guaranteed that all those picks would be in that range. Goff + 2 1sts + another starter? Yeah, I'll do that. I'm not trading 5 first round picks. To put that into context, that's Goff + Two Jalen Ramseys + Brandin Cooks. No.

Yeah, if they would take that, then get it done Les. I doubt they would touch that deal unfortunately.

Sad thing is, I stated in a thread earlier this off season that I would not trade Goff for Watson... It's been that rough of a year for JG in my eyes. Personally, I have lost almost all faith in him and it sucks. I love the kid.

 

[FrantikRam]

The Texans just finished with the #3 pick this year with Watson at QB. Watson has had injuries in the past. We are far from guaranteed that all those picks would be in that range. Goff + 2 1sts + another starter? Yeah, I'll do that. I'm not trading 5 first round picks. To put that into context, that's Goff + Two Jalen Ramseys + Brandin Cooks. No.

We'll see what those picks for the Jags turn into, but I suspect we destroyed them in that deal, to the point that I'm guessing we would have won that trade even if we gave up four first rounders for him. He was only available for two because he badly wanted out of Jacksonville.

 

[Rams43]

Several things here...

First, we should not underestimate the leverage that Watson can employ if he’s adamant about wanting to leave the Texans. Look what happened with Ramsey wanting to leave the Jags. Teams always trade away star players who demand it. Can you think of a single exception recently?

Moreover, Watson has additional powerful leverage with his no trade clause. So, I’m telling you that the leverage is all on Watson’s side. ALL of it. That can’t be overstated.

Lastly, the necessary compensation would be nowhere near as high as some of the posted suggestions I’ve read in this thread. Goff, a 1st, and either a player OR a mid round pick should do it. Again, the Texans are gonna be negotiating with a gun held to their head.

Having said all that, I suspect that another team will wind up with Watson. But it will have to be a team that Watson approves, so there is that.

IOW, if you were Watson, what team would you rather be traded to than the Rams?

For all the preceding reasons, that’s why I think we might be in the hunt.

 

[dieterbrock]

If you're Miami, do you offer Tua, and both 1st round picks, #3 and #18 overall? If you're Houston, how do you say no?

 

[jrry32]

Yeah, if they would take that, then get it done Les. I doubt they would touch that deal unfortunately.

Sad thing is, I stated in a thread earlier this off season that I would not trade Goff for Watson... It's been that rough of a year for JG in my eyes. Personally, I have lost almost all faith in him and it sucks. I love the kid.

My confidence in Goff was shaken a little, but I still believe in him long term. That is at least partially why I'm hesitant to trade Goff and five first round picks. If Goff bounces back and becomes the player I think he can be, we could easily end up looking very stupid. Regardless, Goff should have a chance during the playoffs (especially if we make it past this week) to show us he's worth the confidence (or further damage that confidence).

We'll see what those picks for the Jags turn into, but I suspect we destroyed them in that deal, to the point that I'm guessing we would have won that trade even if we gave up four first rounders for him. He was only available for two because he badly wanted out of Jacksonville.

I should be clear. The point I'm making is that we are aggressive with our first round picks. When we see an established player, we're willing to trade them for that player. Trading all those picks for Watson comes with a very large opportunity cost.

If you're Miami, do you offer Tua, and both 1st round picks, #3 and #18 overall? If you're Houston, how do you say no?

If I'm Houston, I want a little more. But yeah, that would be a difficult offer to beat. And Miami would be smart to consider that move. If I'm Houston, I only say no if I don't think Tua can be a franchise QB. But frankly, considering the fact that Houston traded two first for Tunsil (including that #3 pick), they'll look a little foolish trading Watson for what was essentially Tunsil and Tua.

 

[Merlin]

It's not just about draft capital. But I think if we offered Goff + 2022, 2023 first rounders we might have a shot.

The thought that Goff has strong value IF McVay puts him on the market or starts offering him in deals is inaccurate. In fact the very act of McVay doing that will reinforce the negative views on Jared that have been circulating for some time. It's bad enough that teams are going to see Goff's film from this year and in a trade scenario both teams need to get around his contract. They're already going in to that conversation seeing a guy who has degraded to the point where he's not seeing the field well and where he pulls the ball down instead of taking shots that are there. Knowing McVay (who is enormously respected across the NFL) is cutting bait on him would be a major value detractor on top of what he's already looking at.

Basically moving Jared this upcoming offseason would in effect be selling low on him.

Now I don't know what's going to happen here in the playoffs because that is going to factor in. If things end badly in Green Bay his value is going to be in the dumpster because that will be remembered as the culmination of a poor season for him. IF, however, Goff plays well in Green Bay and we advance that would be an enormous windfall for moving on from him as well as hoping that maybe they can get him back on track with a better line and another camp to settle him down.

Re: Watson I tend to agree with Jrry. Teams are going to want this dude. I don't know that the Rams can pull that off and even though I'll stop short of saying "no way it happens" I only say that because the Rams are creative and push hard on opportunity.

What I would do is what I have mentioned before so no change on my end: bring in competition (Minshew is the cheapest but that also will make him desirable), let Goff and whoever they bring in and even Wolford compete for that job (Goff doesn't have to like it but if he's a competitor he will win that competition) and upgrade the goddamn OL.

But re: Goff and his place with this team I really think it comes down to how he plays the rest of the playoff schedule. If he reads like he did in that last game we will be eliminated by Green Bay. He needs to step up and play the game of his life here.

 

[jrry32]

The thought that Goff has strong value IF McVay puts him on the market or starts offering him in deals is inaccurate. In fact the very act of McVay doing that will reinforce the negative views on Jared that have been circulating for some time. It's bad enough that teams are going to see Goff's film from this year and in a trade scenario both teams need to get around his contract. They're already going in to that conversation seeing a guy who has degraded to the point where he's not seeing the field well and where he pulls the ball down instead of taking shots that are there. Knowing McVay (who is enormously respected across the NFL) is cutting bait on him would be a major value detractor on top of what he's already looking at.

Basically moving Jared this upcoming offseason would in effect be selling low on him.

Accurate. Of course, selling low on Goff doesn't mean he has negative value. The rumors were that Wentz, who had an atrocious year, was actually going to have a good market. Teams are desperate for starting QBs. So even selling low, Goff has value. But we'd still have to give up a lot for Watson, and that's assuming the Texans actually like Goff.

But re: Goff and his place with this team I really think it comes down to how he plays the rest of the playoff schedule. If he reads like he did in that last game we will be eliminated by Green Bay. He needs to step up and play the game of his life here.

I have to disagree on that. The accuracy against the Seahawks wasn't sufficient, but I felt his reads were fine. He missed at least three throws that he normally makes, due to his compromised grip. And his deep ball to Kupp came up short for the same reason imo. But outside of maybe two plays, I thought he was seeing the field well and making good decisions. Frankly, I have been waiting all year for him to make a play like he did to Akers.

 

[Merlin]

I have to disagree on that. The accuracy against the Seahawks wasn't sufficient, but I felt his reads were fine. He missed at least three throws that he normally makes, due to his compromised grip. And his deep ball to Kupp came up short for the same reason imo. But outside of maybe two plays, I thought he was seeing the field well and making good decisions. Frankly, I have been waiting all year for him to make a play like he did to Akers.

Honestly my friend I suggest you rewatch that game with an eye on his reads vs what was there. It was really bad probably one of his worst days overall in terms of what he missed. But in his favor he didn't have the snaps during the week and he also made the plays he needed to in order to win.

You know I love the dude and am rooting for him. But he cannot play like he did vs Seattle if we want to advance. From this point on we are facing top rosters who also have Hall of Fame QBs. McVay is good but not good enough to overcome that without Goff putting good film out there.

This is a huge moment for the kid and one that is going to determine what his role is going forward too for whichever team he plays for IMO.

 

[GoodBadUgly]

... IF, however, Goff plays well in Green Bay and we advance that would be an enormous windfall for moving on from him as well as hoping that maybe they can get him back on track with a better line and another camp to settle him down.

I don't disagree, but this is so ironic.

Picture him being the 2018 Goff, kicking ass at GB and all the way through a Super Bowl win! Wow, his value will be SO HIGH!!!

But then, wouldn't you just keep him?