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This from one of the better posters on the Herd that does quite a bit of research for the draft....I found this intersting and would look forward to the feedback from @jrry32 @OldSchool @BonifayRam as well as others.
As far as Over -rated - it feels like I am betraying my own rankings, but that said:
Top 10 overrated:
1. Josh Allen - QB - Wyoming - I worry about his completion percentage, but I have had my reasons to believe its more the talent around him then just all him. But if it is him, and the Browns take him #1 it will be a massive reach.
2. Marcus Davenport - Edge - UTSA - Really a giant fish in a small pond, he over-whelmed inferior talent. he has a high boom or bust potential.
3. Calvin Ridley - WR - Alabama - This years top WR doesn't really hold up to the top wideouts of past drafts, so he might have huge expectations that he can't live up to. i worry about his thin frame.
4. Mason Rudolph - QB - Oklahoma State - Limited vision, statue, average arm. And he probably is drafted in the 2nd round. I hope Arizona, lol.
5. Orlando Brown - OT - Oklahoma - Man, what a mess at the combine. He has the pedigree to excel, but I worry about his serious lack of athleticism. And his weight.
6. Josh Jackson - CB - Iowa - Only 1 year of production, ran ok at best at the combine (ran a 4.42 at his pro day) so there are questions. That said I like him.
7. Shaquem Griffin - LB - UCF - I hate to be that guy (or not) but I know everyone loves his story and how he broke the LBer record 40 time (previously held by everyone's favorite Jon Alston) but he is under-sized with a giant heart and 1 hand. I am concerned he is anything more then a ST demon. (if he goes in day 3 he was not over-rated)
8. Derrius Guice - RB - LSU - Played injured this year and in such a deep RB class, I just don't see what makes him so special that you need to take him in the 1st round.
9. Arden Key - Edge - LSU - Ran a 4.9 at his pro day at 238 lbs, claims he will play around 250 to 255...Left the team for a few months to get right, he was a top 5 prospect before then, came back overweight, slow and then injured.
10. Leighton Vander Esch - ILB - Boise State - another 1 year wonder, was inconsistent and needs to add strength. 1 more year of college would have done wonders for him. And since the Rams have no shot at him, I don't fear for my board safety by putting him on this list.
Top 10 under-rated:
1. Dorance Armstrong Jr. - Edge - Kansas - Kansas changed its scheme on defense leading to Armstrong getting less chances to push the pocket. Plus, he was mis-used as a 246 lb. 43 end, and was basically the only actual player Kansas has on defense. Has the movement skills, motor and ability to be a really good 34 edge.
2. Simmie Cobbs Jr. - WR - Indiana - he dominated Ohio State this year. Big, with enough speed, flypaper hands. Everyone wants these tall WRs to run like Randy Moss, he was a once in a long while player so it ain't happening.
3. Rashaad Penny - RB -SDSU - 2k yard rusher, 5th in Heisman voting, perfect body to be a bellcow tailback, yet is sitting behind 6 or 7 backs in this draft? he'll be a steal for someone.
4. Alex Cappa - OG - Humboldt St. - Size with light feet and a nasty demeanor, if he played for Ohio State he's a 2nd rounder.
5. Josey Jewell - ILB - Iowa - Really reminds me of Denzel Perryman (whom I loved) but somehow he's being talked about in the 3rd or 4th round? Perryman was a 5'-11" 236 lb 4.7 ILB, Jewell is a 6'-1" 235 lb. 4.68 ILB, both are highly instinctual, sure tacklers that can drop into some zone coverage. Perryman was drafted in the 2nd.
6. Dallas Goedert - TE - South Dakota State - Only myself and Mel Kiper Jr. like this TE #1 overall. I think he may be a little stiff for some evaluators taste, but if they are scared of level of competition, they shouldn't be. Since NDSU has won 6 of the last 7 NCs, there have been 4 players that scared me as far as the Bison defense playing: Dallas Goedert, David Johnson, Cooper Kupp and Jake Weineke.
Fun fact - my neighbor (living in the country in North Dakota, neighbor means within a mile or 2) dated Dallas' mom when they were both in HS.
7. PJ Hall - DL - Sam Houston State - Another FCS kid, but ran a 4.78 at 310 lbs. Strong as an ox. Someone is going to get themselves a highly productive penetrating DL.
8. Olasunkanmi Adeniyi - Edge - Toledo - I really like him, and think someone is going to get a power edge with a high motor on day 3. His production is hard to argue and I like guys that are tough with high effort.
9. Tegray Scale - ILB - Indiana - No one is talking about him and I have no idea why. a bit under-sized? 6'-0" 230 lbs. Great instincts (he is a TFL machine) you can see he is a leader, takes great angles and is always in the right place. Oh and 8 picks in his career.
10. Mark Walton - RB - Miami - his injuries are probably pushing him down the draft, but he is a shifty homerun hitting 3 down back that (if he does slide) could be a real steal.
As far as Over -rated - it feels like I am betraying my own rankings, but that said:
Top 10 overrated:
1. Josh Allen - QB - Wyoming - I worry about his completion percentage, but I have had my reasons to believe its more the talent around him then just all him. But if it is him, and the Browns take him #1 it will be a massive reach.
2. Marcus Davenport - Edge - UTSA - Really a giant fish in a small pond, he over-whelmed inferior talent. he has a high boom or bust potential.
3. Calvin Ridley - WR - Alabama - This years top WR doesn't really hold up to the top wideouts of past drafts, so he might have huge expectations that he can't live up to. i worry about his thin frame.
4. Mason Rudolph - QB - Oklahoma State - Limited vision, statue, average arm. And he probably is drafted in the 2nd round. I hope Arizona, lol.
5. Orlando Brown - OT - Oklahoma - Man, what a mess at the combine. He has the pedigree to excel, but I worry about his serious lack of athleticism. And his weight.
6. Josh Jackson - CB - Iowa - Only 1 year of production, ran ok at best at the combine (ran a 4.42 at his pro day) so there are questions. That said I like him.
7. Shaquem Griffin - LB - UCF - I hate to be that guy (or not) but I know everyone loves his story and how he broke the LBer record 40 time (previously held by everyone's favorite Jon Alston) but he is under-sized with a giant heart and 1 hand. I am concerned he is anything more then a ST demon. (if he goes in day 3 he was not over-rated)
8. Derrius Guice - RB - LSU - Played injured this year and in such a deep RB class, I just don't see what makes him so special that you need to take him in the 1st round.
9. Arden Key - Edge - LSU - Ran a 4.9 at his pro day at 238 lbs, claims he will play around 250 to 255...Left the team for a few months to get right, he was a top 5 prospect before then, came back overweight, slow and then injured.
10. Leighton Vander Esch - ILB - Boise State - another 1 year wonder, was inconsistent and needs to add strength. 1 more year of college would have done wonders for him. And since the Rams have no shot at him, I don't fear for my board safety by putting him on this list.
Top 10 under-rated:
1. Dorance Armstrong Jr. - Edge - Kansas - Kansas changed its scheme on defense leading to Armstrong getting less chances to push the pocket. Plus, he was mis-used as a 246 lb. 43 end, and was basically the only actual player Kansas has on defense. Has the movement skills, motor and ability to be a really good 34 edge.
2. Simmie Cobbs Jr. - WR - Indiana - he dominated Ohio State this year. Big, with enough speed, flypaper hands. Everyone wants these tall WRs to run like Randy Moss, he was a once in a long while player so it ain't happening.
3. Rashaad Penny - RB -SDSU - 2k yard rusher, 5th in Heisman voting, perfect body to be a bellcow tailback, yet is sitting behind 6 or 7 backs in this draft? he'll be a steal for someone.
4. Alex Cappa - OG - Humboldt St. - Size with light feet and a nasty demeanor, if he played for Ohio State he's a 2nd rounder.
5. Josey Jewell - ILB - Iowa - Really reminds me of Denzel Perryman (whom I loved) but somehow he's being talked about in the 3rd or 4th round? Perryman was a 5'-11" 236 lb 4.7 ILB, Jewell is a 6'-1" 235 lb. 4.68 ILB, both are highly instinctual, sure tacklers that can drop into some zone coverage. Perryman was drafted in the 2nd.
6. Dallas Goedert - TE - South Dakota State - Only myself and Mel Kiper Jr. like this TE #1 overall. I think he may be a little stiff for some evaluators taste, but if they are scared of level of competition, they shouldn't be. Since NDSU has won 6 of the last 7 NCs, there have been 4 players that scared me as far as the Bison defense playing: Dallas Goedert, David Johnson, Cooper Kupp and Jake Weineke.
Fun fact - my neighbor (living in the country in North Dakota, neighbor means within a mile or 2) dated Dallas' mom when they were both in HS.
7. PJ Hall - DL - Sam Houston State - Another FCS kid, but ran a 4.78 at 310 lbs. Strong as an ox. Someone is going to get themselves a highly productive penetrating DL.
8. Olasunkanmi Adeniyi - Edge - Toledo - I really like him, and think someone is going to get a power edge with a high motor on day 3. His production is hard to argue and I like guys that are tough with high effort.
9. Tegray Scale - ILB - Indiana - No one is talking about him and I have no idea why. a bit under-sized? 6'-0" 230 lbs. Great instincts (he is a TFL machine) you can see he is a leader, takes great angles and is always in the right place. Oh and 8 picks in his career.
10. Mark Walton - RB - Miami - his injuries are probably pushing him down the draft, but he is a shifty homerun hitting 3 down back that (if he does slide) could be a real steal.
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