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Cutdown days near for Rams' roster long shots
• By Jim Thomas

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/foot...cle_12cdf2ce-1a9a-5fdd-b1d7-6d0d95495e05.html

In the NFL, late August is the time when dreams meet harsh reality. All of the 89 players currently on the Rams’ roster are among the best in the world at what they do. You don’t get this far without having something.

But for some, that won’t be enough. When the Rams take on Cleveland at FirstEnergy Stadium tonight, it may the final football game some of them play. That’s because it’s that time of the year – cutdown time. The roster must be reduced to 75 players no later than Tuesday, so 14 must go by then.

A week from today, Aug. 30, the roster must be reduced to the regular-season limit of 53 players — meaning 22 more pink slips. Coach Jeff Fisher’s advice to the bottom half of the roster is basic, but rings true.

“I tell them not to worry about next week,” Fisher said. “Just pay attention to their football, stay in the (play)book, study, prepare. Don’t be distracted because it’s a road game, and just go out and do the best you can.”

For an organization that hasn’t had a winning record since 2003, there aren’t many final roster spots available – maybe a half dozen or so. But there’s still time to make an impression, or even change the head coach’s mind, starting with tonight’s 7 p.m. kickoff.

“Yeah, there’s some things that could change,” Fisher said. “Our roster may look a little bit different than years past because we may have more depth at one position; we may go a little heavier at one position versus another position.

“So they can’t waste their time trying to figure out what’s gonna happen, because things can change on a daily basis.”

With that in mind, our annual look at a few roster long shots at Rams Park:

WR T.J. MOE

It’s hard for Moe, the former University of Missouri star, to avoid looking at the numbers at wide receiver and wondering how the math will work out in his favor.

“You’ve got the five guys back that were on the team last year,” he said. “You got two guys that were on the practice squad here last year (Emory Blake and Justin Veltung). And you’ve got another guy that’s been around for five years and was a first-round pick (Kenny Britt).”

“So if not here, hopefully somewhere else. I’d like to be playing football. I think I can play in this league. We’ll find out if anybody agrees with me.”

Moe caught 92 passes at Mizzou in 2010 but hasn’t gotten many chances so far this preseason what with the Rams looking at no fewer than 23 receivers, backs and tight ends.

He was in for 11 plays on offense and 10 on special teams in the preseason opener against New Orleans. Against Green Bay, it was 13 plays on offense and two on special teams. Entering tonight’s game in Cleveland, he has been targeted only once, catching the pass for a 4-yard gain vs. the Saints.

With the camp roster expanded to 90 players these days, and the end of two-a-days under the latest collective bargaining agreement, there are some practices in which Moe doesn’t even get much work in 7-on-7 or 11-on-11 drills. There’s just too many players and not enough practice time.

“Offensively, I’m just trying to get some reps,” he said.

But he’s not complaining.

“There’s been a lot of guys in a lot worse spots than me that have made it through, and made teams, and made a good career out of it,” Moe said.

This would be an ideal spot for Moe, given his career at Mizzou. He grew up 15 minutes from Rams Park, attending Fort Zumwalt West High in St. Charles County.

But it may have to be on the practice squad if it’s going to happen.

Moe concedes: “Really, I’m just fighting for my life here.”

RB TREY WATTS

After missing about a week of training camp with a hamstring injury, Watts was dressed and ready to go in the preseason opener against New Orleans.

“We went out there to test it, see how it felt, and it felt pretty good,” Watts said. “So I got a little excited and hyped up. Emotions were flowing and everything like that.”

But the Rams medical staff decided to err on the side of caution and held Watts out of the contest.

“It was kind of a bummer not to be able to get out there and go play with everybody else getting their first reps,” said Watts, the son of former Oklahoma gridiron hero J.C. Watts.

Despite a highly productive career at Tulsa, where he showed prowess both as a ball-carrier and pass-catcher, Watts didn’t get invited to the NFL scouting combine. He did participate in the NFL Players Association college all-star game, but 40 times of 4.68 and 4.75 seconds at his pro day killed any chances to be drafted.

Watts looks faster than that, and seems to play faster than that, and has some elusiveness in his running style.

“I feel like I’ve gotten faster since my pro day,” he said. “I feel faster, I feel quicker, more explosive than I did even last year at Tulsa. The 40’s not always the greatest representation of someone’s speed. I think for me, I’m a great example of that.”

Watts made his belated preseason debut against Green Bay, carrying three times for 19 yards and catching a pass for 8 yards. Fisher said he’d like to give Watts more work against the Browns, and with Isaiah Pead now on injured reserve with a season-ending knee injury, there’s a sliver of opportunity for Watts.

“I need to be able to show I can run down on kickoff or on punt team ... as well as being able to carry the ball,” he said. “If you want to be on this team as a running back, you’ve pretty much got to play special teams.”

WR JORDAN HARRIS

Harris believes God told him to give up basketball in favor of football, and it certainly turned out to be a great move at Bryant University, a Football Championship Subdivision program in Smithfield, R.I.

Bryant set the Northeast Conference career record for receiving yards (3,735 yards), and also set school records for career catches (193) and career receiving touchdowns (31).

He then cemented his status as the school’s most celebrated football player by becoming the first Bryant player to sign an NFL contract. That was with Indianapolis as an undrafted rookie, but he lasted only a week there before being released after the Colts’ rookie minicamp.

He was out of work for only one day before the Rams called.

“My faith has brought me a long way,” Harris said. “It’s brought me this far. I don’t know what the Lord has planned for me, but I know he has a plan.”

Harris has good size (6-2, 215), decent speed (4.51) and good hands. Like Moe, the numbers game at wide receiver doesn’t look promising and Harris hasn’t gotten much work in exhibition play, with one catch for 26 yards. But like many in his spot, Harris just wants to get his foot in the door.

“The practice squad is definitely a great option,” he said.
 

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Countdown to cutdown: Rams by position
• By Jim Thomas

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/foot...cle_cdbe1105-c92b-5b1e-b8f3-e93259a3fc85.html


Roster must be trimmed to 75 by Tuesday and to 53 by Aug. 30.

QUARTERBACKS

Currently on roster • Four

Rams will keep • Two or three

Safe and sound • Sam Bradford, Shaun Hill

On the bubble • Garrett Gilbert

Probably not • Austin Davis

RUNNING BACKS

Currently on roster • Five

Rams will keep • Four or five

Safe and sound • Benny Cunningham, Tre Mason, Chase Reynolds, Zac Stacy

Probably not • Trey Watts

WIDE RECEIVERS

Currently on roster • 11

Rams will keep • Five or six

Safe and sound • Tavon Austin, Stedman Bailey, Kenny Britt, Chris Givens, Brian Quick.

On the bubble • Austin Pettis, Justin Veltung

Probably not • Emory Blake, Austin Franklin, Jordan Harris, T.J. Moe

TIGHT ENDS/FULLBACKS

Currently on roster • Seven

Rams will keep • Four

Safe and sound • Jared Cook, Cory Harkey, Lance Kendricks

On the bubble • Alex Bayer, Justice Cunningham

Probably not • Kadeem Jones, Brad Smelley

OFFENSIVE LINE

Currently on roster • 16

Rams will keep • Nine

Safe and sound • Joe Barksdale, Tim Barnes, Davin Joseph, Jake Long, Greg Robinson, Rodger Saffold, Scott Wells

On the bubble • Travis Bond, Barrett Jones, Mike Person, Brandon Washington

Probably not • R.J. Dill, Sean Hooey, D.J. Morrell, Demetrius Rhaney, Mitchell Van Dyk

SPECIALISTS

Currently on roster • Five

Rams will keep • Three

Safe and sound • Johnny Hekker, Jake McQuaide, Greg Zuerlein

Probably not • Bobby Cowan, Jorgen Hus

DEFENSIVE LINE

Currently on roster • 14

Rams will keep • Nine or 10

Safe and sound • Michael Brockers, Alex Carrington, Aaron Donald, William Hayes, Kendall Langford, Chris Long, Robert Quinn, Eugene Sims, Ethan Westbrooks

On the bubble • Michael Sam

Probably not • Kortnei Brown, Sammy Brown, Matt Conrath, Deantre Harlan

LINEBACKERS

Currently on roster • 11

Rams will keep • Six

Safe and sound • Ray Ray Armstrong, Daren Bates, Jo-Lonn Dunbar, James Laurinaitis, Alec Ogletree

On the bubble • Aaron Hill, Phillip Steward

Probably not • Johnny Millard, Etienne Sabino, Pat Schiller, Lawrence Wilson

SECONDARY

Currently on roster • 16

Rams will keep • Nine or 10

Safe and sound • Maurice Alexander, Cody Davis, E.J. Gaines, Janoris Jenkins, Trumaine Johnson, Lamarcus Joyner, T.J. McDonald, Brandon McGee, Rodney McLeod

On the bubble • Greg Reid, Marcus Roberson, Darren Woodard

Probably not • Christian Bryant, Jarrid Bryant, Avery Cunningham, Matt Daniels
 

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Jim Thomas with some interesting groupings there, listing Westbrooks as safe.

Picking Pettis as on the bubble over Givens.
 

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Jim Thomas with some interesting groupings there, listing Westbrooks as safe.

Picking Pettis as on the bubble over Givens.

I know of NO reason to keep Givens here over some good younger Wide outs myself. Givens Over Pettis no comparison IMO Pettis hands down is much safer. I thought LB'er Steward has played much better than Armstrong. OT Mike Person is safe not on the bubble. I still think the need to groom a right OT for a roster spot in case Barksdale departs for UFA'cy in less than 6 months Hooey would be more in the bubble area ahead of Brandon Washington .

Listing DL Carrington as safe & Sam as on the Bubble is strange, Carrington has been one serious NO SHOW & would be listed right below Conrath IMO.
 
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If you subtract ONLY the 'Probably Not's' on JT's list that's 26 players. We need only cut 24 this time around so two will Live to fight another day, as they say. If you take JT's list as gospel I'd say Moe and Watts are the two!!
 

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I know of NO reason to keep Givens here over some good younger Wide outs myself. Givens Over Pettis no comparison IMO Pettis hands down is much safer. I thought LB'er Steward has played much better than Armstrong. OT Mike Person is safe not on the bubble. I still think the need to groom a right OT for a roster spot in case Barksdale departs for UFA'cy in less than 6 months Hooey would be more in the bubble area ahead of Brandon Washington .

Listing DL Carrington as safe & Sam as on the Bubble is strange, Carrington has been one serious NO SHOW & would be listed right below Conrath IMO.

I agree with you about Pettis over Givens. Pettis showed a lot more in camp than Givens did -- at least on the days I was there. Plus, he makes the tough catches Givens never does. It will be interesting to see how this battle ends.
 

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I know of NO reason to keep Givens here over some good younger Wide outs myself. Givens Over Pettis no comparison IMO Pettis hands down is much safer. I thought LB'er Steward has played much better than Armstrong. OT Mike Person is safe not on the bubble. I still think the need to groom a right OT for a roster spot in case Barksdale departs for UFA'cy in less than 6 months Hooey would be more in the bubble area ahead of Brandon Washington .

Listing DL Carrington as safe & Sam as on the Bubble is strange, Carrington has been one serious NO SHOW & would be listed right below Conrath IMO.

I actually had a conversation this past week with Mr. Thomas while at camp, and my take on this, quite honestly, he doesn't have any more insight as many of the fans on this site. I asked him specifically about William Hayes, about this "health" and he said he is "fine" that they are taking a cautious approach with him coming off the hip surgery.

Then he brings up the Offensive Line, and said he doesn't think they NEED to keep more than 8. That's laughable. When I pointed out the FACT that they kept 10, and at one point last year had 11 on the 53, he seemed to have "forgotten" that; I asked him about Bond, and he was like,, WHO?

I get there are things the "beat writers" aren't at liberty to talk about, but I want HIS GIG, so I can get paid for not knowing what I'm talking about too.
 

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I'm more of the mind that Givens will stick because of his speed and ability to take the top off a defense because if Tavon gets hurt then we don't have anyone who can do that but Britt,Quick, Bailey can be a possession rec. if you need.
 

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From what I've seen and read, his analysis of the roster is somewhat off.

Chris Givens is not safe and sound compared to Austin Pettis.

Aaron Hill is only on the bubble because he's from here and JT's cohort has been covering him. He hasn't flashed more or less than anyone else listed on the bubble or on the probably not list.

His listing for for d-line is interesting. I hope he's right there. Westbrook has earned a job there and Conrath has not. Sam has played well but he's gonna have to get lucky with numbers.

Looking at his numbers, the positions with some wiggle room appear to be RB, WR, D-Line, and Secondary.

Basically Trey Watts vs Michael Sam vs. Roberson/Reid vs. Givens/Pettis/Veltung.

Interesting that he thinks it's a firm 9 on o-line.
 

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I'm more of the mind that Givens will stick because of his speed and ability to take the top off a defense because if Tavon gets hurt then we don't have anyone who can do that but Britt,Quick, Bailey can be a possession rec. if you need.

Late Morning Thordaddy! yes Givens did show that early but its been MIA now for Long Long time. Waiting on Givens to break free usually means a 7 step drop back & I sure do not like Sam to be subjected to to many of those with Givens being the alleged recipient. For awhile yet I would like to see Sam to use his arm to zip those lasers in shorter timed drop backs with those big bodied receivers where they are on the end of those hits instead of Sam. When Bailey returns his history of finding the end zone for points speaks for itself use him as your deep guy he usually comes down with that ball one way or another.
 
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I'm more of the mind that Givens will stick because of his speed and ability to take the top off a defense because if Tavon gets hurt then we don't have anyone who can do that but Britt,Quick, Bailey can be a possession rec. if you need.
The thing is for me. They don't need Givens for that. As the Carolina game demonstrated Quick can behind the secondary. As can Britt.

To keep Givens solely for his ability to "take the top off the defense". From the sideline? Don't think so.
 

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Roster thoughts, good and bad:

As a group, the linebackers are weak. There, I said it out loud. One high-ankle from a starter and the plane will have crashed into the mountain. Oh to have picked Vontaze Burfict with a stinking late rounder...

With Barrett Jones reading Zietzsche for another season (is there a chapter titled "Cha-Ching?") the oline is only a bisquit more secure than the LBs. Disappointed in BJones sitch - had hopes of a contribution. Great opportunity for Brandon Wash. The rickety old vets need to stay healthy for 14 of the 16. Yeah, right.

Keep the extra d-lineman - Sam - he's got value off the edge, can cover kicks and is big enough to block on returns.

Junk one of the average DBs (Davis or McGee, or hell, both). Live and die with the aggressive, athletic youth. Could be a roller coaster year in the secondary, but that's what has been dealt... Love to keep both Reid (I love him on KRs) and Roberson (hitter - more like a designated hitter though I think at this point in development).

WRs - this group, that makes me dry heave in a good year, is so close to... A) maturing to the point of greatness, or 2) imploding with chronic unfulfilled and ridiculously overrated expectation. I don't much care who they keep, but if they aren't able to cover kicks and make tackles on STs they should be given (Givens?, huh, karma) a bus ticket out of dodge.... Keep 5, plus 2 of the youngsters on PS for emergencies. Bailey also greatly disappointed me with is lack of discipline. Yet another kick in the groans by this unit. Freakin' Toy Department.

TE - why do they need 4? Oh yeah, Cook doesn't want to block. I'd rather they keep three. It's actually a good group.

QBs, RBs, DL, TEs, Kicking - I'm good with. It wouldn't be a Ram football season without more question marks than answers. Maybe a useful waiver victim will drop in. Life of a Ram fan.

Oh yeah, Coaching: Schotty definitely on the bubble if production sucks. He's had a career scholarship so far (thanks Marty). Time to put on big boy pants from the "Urgency" department and make some noise. Can't wait. Clock is running...
 
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The thing is for me. They don't need Givens for that. As the Carolina game demonstrated Quick can behind the secondary. As can Britt.

To keep Givens solely for his ability to "take the top off the defense". From the sideline? Don't think so.

Okay so is Pettis gonna return kicks? I think that figures in too
 

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Okay so is Pettis gonna return kicks? I think that figures in too

That is a different conversation. I was merely replying to your point of "taking the top off" the defense. I agree that Givens is probably safe, at least thru Bailey's suspension. But, that could be dependent on whether or not , Mason is given more serious consideration as a KR. Or Reid. At this point, if Givens is the guy in that role, than you have your answer.
 

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Thomas has written quite a few of these articles over the years. Has any of his safe and sound projections been proven wrong?
 

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That is a different conversation. I was merely replying to your point of "taking the top off" the defense. I agree that Givens is probably safe, at least thru Bailey's suspension. But, that could be dependent on whether or not , Mason is given more serious consideration as a KR. Or Reid. At this point, if Givens is the guy in that role, than you have your answer.
You've mentioned a few times that Givens has been getting some private tutoring ,is that an indication of anything to you? I take it to mean they don't intend to give up on the guy because he has that home run in him