Colts at Texans

[Ellard80]

No I've always say that teams will get calls for and against them.

I think the constant complaining and whining about refs is ridiculous. And getting beyond old.

Beat your damn opponents.

Sometimes bad calls dicate outcomes in games.. no matter the sport.

I agree that the "conspiracy theory" takes are a bit much and sometimes people can go on and on about the refs to a nauseating level.

But calls sure as shit don't always even out and sometimes bad calls cost games.

Probably only happened thousands of times.

 

[Ellard80]

Whether he fumbled or not, I gotta throw in my .02 cents in about that rule...if the offense fumbles and it goes out of bounds through the end zone, I don’t get why the opposing team gets the ball on the 20. That makes no sense to me.

That is such a game changing rule if there ever was one.

Yes is a dumb rule that needs to be changed.

 

[RamFan503]

Yeah, it doesn't mesh with the fumbling the ball over the sideline in the field of play rule. You either keep the ball in both situations or lose the ball in both situations.

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You'd think there would be some sort of no advancement rule instead. Ball goes back to where it was fumbled as it's clear you could not rule it a TD because players would be oopsing the ball across the goal line and out of bounds on purpose.

 

[kurtfaulk]

I'd love to see the Colts spank that Chiefs ass
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I reckon the chiefs will win by 30+ points. Unless half their d gets injured in the second half like the last time these two teams played in the playoffs.

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[Mackeyser]

Colts are gonna be tough

 

[Angry Ram]

It's every bit as much part of the game as commenting on any other aspect. Refs blow calls. They can and do cost teams games.

Teams have more than enough opportunities to win games. It's a petty excuse to me.

There is no way fans should be good with that when it happens. Your mantra also gets beyond old. One bad call in a close game can and often has been the difference in games. When that appears to get worse league wide, it is not likely a false perception by the fans.

I never said they should be good with them. I've acknowledged that bad calls happen, it's part of football and has been for years. In close games, in my mind, the majority of the time it's the teams execution (or lack thereof) that wins/loses games.

Teams play their hearts out to win those close games. We absolutely should expect the refs to NOT change that by freaking up or calling games to keep things even.

They don't. I firmly believe that. We see that all the time when they let the "players play".

And if I'm the only that believes that, so be it.

The ref may have missed the first down marker on the fake punt against the Saints. Yet the bigger problem was falling in that big whole in the first place. Yet the Rams came back..i.e., overcame. The Rams did that on own their own, no? But if the roles were reversed, I would guarantee you the conspiracy theories about making things more competitive would flood this place. That is what I'm getting at, and that's what I'm posting against.

When everyone watching disagrees with the call - even after review - there's a problem. Calling out that problem is completely fair game. And your constant of teams need to overcome calls against them, is frankly BS. Far too many games come down to a play or two. Blatantly bad calls should not be just let go.

So it's OK for everyone to constantly complain about refs on a daily basis but when I point out that teams should overcome to counter those constant arguments is BS? I don't agree with that.

I'm not going to go with the mob all the time and complain about one ref call over the many other plays/decision a team shoulda/woulda/coulda executed better.

 

[Angry Ram]

Sometimes bad calls dicate outcomes in games.. no matter the sport.

I agree that the "conspiracy theory" takes are a bit much and sometimes people can go on and on about the refs to a nauseating level.

But calls sure as crap don't always even out and sometimes bad calls cost games.

Probably only happened thousands of times.

Like the Colts today, right? How did that Keke TD affect them? No, their defense closed it out.

Normally when I see a bad call, I just roll my eyes. And then I move on. That's pretty much it.

 

[Ellard80]

Like the Colts today, right? How did that Keke TD affect them? No, their defense closed it out.

Normally when I see a bad call, I just roll my eyes. And then I move on. That's pretty much it.

Colts today? nah.. was never a close game.

An example: Senior year in high school our point guard goes up for a lay-up with about 2 secs left. Gets fouled so hard he fractures his thumb (from the karate chop) and bruises his tail bone from the fall.

No foul

 

[Mikey Ram]

You'd think there would be some sort of no advancement rule instead. Ball goes back to where it was fumbled as it's clear you could not rule it a TD because players would be oopsing the ball across the goal line and out of bounds on purpose.

Ah, the dreaded Ken Stabler ploy raises it"s ugly head...

 

[Mojo Ram]

Teams have more than enough opportunities to win games. It's a petty excuse to me.



I never said they should be good with them. I've acknowledged that bad calls happen, it's part of football and has been for years. In close games, in my mind, the majority of the time it's the teams execution (or lack thereof) that wins/loses games.



They don't. I firmly believe that. We see that all the time when they let the "players play".

And if I'm the only that believes that, so be it.

The ref may have missed the first down marker on the fake punt against the Saints. Yet the bigger problem was falling in that big whole in the first place. Yet the Rams came back..i.e., overcame. The Rams did that on own their own, no? But if the roles were reversed, I would guarantee you the conspiracy theories about making things more competitive would flood this place. That is what I'm getting at, and that's what I'm posting against.



So it's OK for everyone to constantly complain about refs on a daily basis but when I point out that teams should overcome to counter those constant arguments is BS? I don't agree with that.

I'm not going to go with the mob all the time and complain about one ref call over the many other plays/decision a team shoulda/woulda/coulda executed better.

Geezus man, relax.
:cheers:

 

[dang]

Bye bye Texans. Weeding out the wannabe teams. Next team out - Cowboys.

 

[Loyal]

Ok, I don't care who you are..that there is funny!

View: https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/1081718395664388096

 

[Angry Ram]

Geezus man, relax.
:cheers:

I am relaxed bruh. I'm just sitting here about to eat dinner.

I'm not just going to let anyone call me out for posting something that goes against the grain. No matter how unpopular it is.

 

[Loyal]

Word from Capt. Neckbeard:

View: https://twitter.com/CaptAndrewLuck/status/1081712909384708097

 

[RamFan503]

Teams have more than enough opportunities to win games. It's a petty excuse to me.

So teams don't play close match ups? If you play a great game against a really good team, you have more opportunities than they did and bad calls don't matter? Yeah.... don't follow.

They don't. I firmly believe that. We see that all the time when they let the "players play".

And if I'm the only that believes that, so be it.

You're not the only one who believes that but it is all over the media and happens way too often that the people doing the broadcasts are flabbergasted at too many calls. It's not just the fans.

I'd actually be fine with more of letting the players play. Unfortunately, that is usually not the case. The fact that the fans and media are harping about calls means just the opposite is happening.

So it's OK for everyone to constantly complain about refs on a daily basis but when I point out that teams should overcome to counter those constant arguments is BS? I don't agree with that.

Actually, my problem is that you constantly go after fans for calling out the bad calls. It's a constant mantra.

Do bad calls change the outcomes of a lot of games? Probably not. But when they do, it is not because the losing team should be expected to overcome a game changing call. Games are often too tough to win without the bad calls. It's too easy to say that teams should just make another play when they go from first and goal to 3rd and 25 for example due to a bad call. A team should not have to score an additional 4 points for shitty reffing.

I will complain about bad calls and occasionally say that the calls threw the game. But the fact that the refs called far more penalties than ever before, and that you see articles written about it and more and more fan noise about it is not just a fluke. There is a problem. And acting like it doesn't exist IMO, is no answer.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Yeah, isn't that special. I picked the Texans and bet the MAX (shut up, flv!)

The Colts finished the last ten games at 9-1. Their hot. Houston wasn’t as good down the stretch. As we know bad O lines kill you

 

[Soul Surfer]

21-0? I don't see it.

True.
We didn't look nearly as bad is Houston.
However, a young team with no playoff experience choking during a wild-card game.

I did have a few flashbacks.

 

[Angry Ram]

So teams don't play close match ups? If you play a great game against a really good team, you have more opportunities than they did and bad calls don't matter? Yeah.... don't follow.

I never said that. Don't put words in my mouth. In close games that one play where they didn't stop the other team on 3rd down, or missed a 40 yard field goal...THOSE are the opportunities I'm talking about. A ref calling a hold or even a PI earlier in the game, though, I couldn't care less about.

You're not the only one who believes that but it is all over the media and happens way too often that the people doing the broadcasts are flabbergasted at too many calls. It's not just the fans.

I don't give a damn what the media says. I haven't paid attention to what they have said for a couple years, too much cynicism. Nothing is ever good in the NFL in their eyes.

Announcers also comment when the refs make the correct calls. How many times does a call look bad, end up being the right call on replay? It happens quite a bit.

And of course the announcers point out the bad calls. Again, I've never said bad calls don't exist. How many times do those same announcers talk about how a call or non-call affected the winner/loser? I haven't heard any this year.

I'd actually be fine with more of letting the players play. Unfortunately, that is usually not the case. The fact that the fans and media are harping about calls means just the opposite is happening.

Fans will always harp, it doesn't mean I have to join them.

Actually, my problem is that you constantly go after fans for calling out the bad calls. It's a constant mantra.

But it's OK for you to call me out on it on account of my different view on the matter?

I don't agree with blaming them for outcomes and that complaining about them is getting tiresome. That's my view on the matter and I'm sticking to it. And if you don't like that, well, nothing I can do there.

Do bad calls change the outcomes of a lot of games? Probably not. But when they do, it is not because the losing team should be expected to overcome a game changing call. Games are often too tough to win without the bad calls. It's too easy to say that teams should just make another play when they go from first and goal to 3rd and 25 for example due to a bad call. A team should not have to score an additional 4 points for crappy reffing.

Stop the other team on the next set of downs. Already defending inside the 20? Hold them to three. Go out there and win. Complaining about ref calls are excuses to me.

BTW, if a 1st and goal goes to 3rd and 25, I would tend to lean that it was more due to the players and their lack of discipline rather than what the call is perceived to be.

I will complain about bad calls and occasionally say that the calls threw the game. But the fact that the refs called far more penalties than ever before, and that you see articles written about it and more and more fan noise about it is not just a fluke. There is a problem. And acting like it doesn't exist IMO, is no answer.

And I will continue to voice my viewpoints. I'm not going after any single person, I'm going against the general consensus. For the umpteenth I've acknowledged that teams will get calls in their favor and against. But It's the last thing, if at all, I'll blame for a team's win or loss.

 

[RamFan503]

I never said that. Don't put words in my mouth. In close games that one play where they didn't stop the other team on 3rd down, or missed a 40 yard field goal...THOSE are the opportunities I'm talking about. A ref calling a hold or even a PI earlier in the game, though, I couldn't care less about.

Then what does saying a team has more than enough opportunities to win a game mean? In a close game, there are only so many MORE opportunities either team is going to get. Taking points away from a team can generally account for more than just an opportunity or two.

But it's OK for you to call me out on it on account of my different view on the matter?

It's because any time there is a post or thread about a bad call, you come on with a dismissive attitude toward the poster and say the same tired mantra of "I guess the team needs to just overcome the bad call by winning." It doesn't matter what the play or call. It's the same statement no matter what and it is constant. I don't care if when you back up the refs call with a different view of the play. It's the dismissive nature that bothers me. As if everyone is just so ridiculous for pointing out a game changing or drive altering call with - I guess they just need to play better and take advantage of all the opportunities they have - calls don't matter.

BTW, if a 1st and goal goes to 3rd and 25, I would tend to lean that it was more due to the players and their lack of discipline rather than what the call is perceived to be.

So you've never seen a blown personal foul down near the goal line? Seriously? How is it lack of discipline if the player didn't actually commit the foul? That was just one example. How is it lack of discipline or poor play if a flag is thrown for PI on a pass into the endzone or a long pass that goes from what would be 4th down but instead is 1st and goal or a huge drive sustaining first down? You've never seen that? A team is responsible for playing better or being more disciplined? Stop them on the next set of downs? From the one with four plays to get it?

Sure sometimes the calls equal out - often even. But many times they don't. And with how many games are decided by a TD or less, a particular bad call can mean the difference between winning and losing.

I don't care in general what he media says either. I also don't pay much mind to what fans say on a play by play basis. That's not my point. There are far too many of them talking about the crappy job being done by the zebras. There are far more flags being thrown. There appear to many that there are far more blown calls. And just dismissing it as part of the game is no solution. The axiom used to be - and it was used often "back in the day" - was that the best reffing job meant you never gave the refs much of a thought.

Now is this all the refs' fault? I don't think so as I have said many times that the NFL keeps making new judgement and CYA type rules. Given that, what is the harm in simply being able to review a couple penalties a game when it is obvious the call was blown? They can be huge and shouldn't be allowed to affect the outcome of a game.

 

[Angry Ram]

Then what does saying a team has more than enough opportunities to win a game mean? In a close game, there are only so many MORE opportunities either team is going to get. Taking points away from a team can generally account for more than just an opportunity or two.

It means they have the opportunity to overcome. Force a punt. Get 16 yards on a 3rd and 15. Etc etc. That's what I mean.

It's because any time there is a post or thread about a bad call, you come on with a dismissive attitude toward the poster and say the same tired mantra of "I guess the team needs to just overcome the bad call by winning." It doesn't matter what the play or call. It's the same statement no matter what and it is constant. I don't care if when you back up the refs call with a different view of the play. It's the dismissive nature that bothers me. As if everyone is just so ridiculous for pointing out a game changing or drive altering call with - I guess they just need to play better and take advantage of all the opportunities they have - calls don't matter.

Well that's not what my intent is, and if that's what you perceive, I can't help you there. Again, I'm going against the consensus opinion. To me it gets tiresome using them as excuses as to why a team lost (or why the other team won if it's one who a fan is rooting against).

So you've never seen a blown personal foul down near the goal line? Seriously? How is it lack of discipline if the player didn't actually commit the foul? That was just one example. How is it lack of discipline or poor play if a flag is thrown for PI on a pass into the endzone or a long pass that goes from what would be 4th down but instead is 1st and goal or a huge drive sustaining first down? You've never seen that? A team is responsible for playing better or being more disciplined? Stop them on the next set of downs? From the one with four plays to get it?

I've seen many calls that went uncalled that should have been. It's nothing new.

BTW was the PI legit? Did the defender not play the ball? That's on the player. I've seen the majority of the time most of these calls are good calls. Some are ticky tack, yes, and yes even some shouldn't have been made at all. And to your later point, that is part of the game. It is a judgement game, as well on account of officiating. Shit happens, you know.

And also BTW, line up and play defense on the next set.

I don't care in general what he media says either. I also don't pay much mind to what fans say on a play by play basis. That's not my point. There are far too many of them talking about the crappy job being done by the zebras. There are far more flags being thrown. There appear to many that there are far more blown calls. And just dismissing it as part of the game is no solution. The axiom used to be - and it was used often "back in the day" - was that the best reffing job meant you never gave the refs much of a thought.

"Appear to be". They can talk about them all the live long day. Doesn't mean I have to agree with them.

Now is this all the refs' fault? I don't think so as I have said many times that the NFL keeps making new judgement and CYA type rules. Given that, what is the harm in simply being able to review a couple penalties a game when it is obvious the call was blown? They can be huge and shouldn't be allowed to affect the outcome of a game.

As far as being able to review them I don't really care either way. Do whatever they want.

I just don't believe in using refs as excuses.