Clay Matthews fined for tweet

[Mojo Ram]

Bottom line for this fan is that game flow has been ruined and they're still blowing calls.

 

[Dodgersrf]

Stop making dumb rules.
The rules shouldn't be made, unless they can be seen in real time with the human eye.
Human beings = Human error

There are calls that can barely be clarified with super slow mo replay. Wtf?

This doesnt let the officiating off the hook, but I do believe their job could be easier. Resulting in better games.

My biggest problem is when calls are made that didnt happen.
How the hell could hands to the face be called when it clearly didnt happen?
If it didn't happen, then the ref clearly didnt see it. He assumed it.

 

[GoodBadUgly]

My biggest problem is when calls are made that didnt happen.
How the hell could hands to the face be called when it clearly didnt happen?
If it didn't happen, then the ref clearly didnt see it. He assumed it.

This.

I have touting this for years but will put it a different way.

If these guys worked for me, I’d gather them up in a huge conference room and tell them I fixed everything. JUST DON’T CALL WHAT YOU DON’T SEE! Fixed. Let’s go to lunch.

I’d say they will not be punished harshly for missing a clear foul (cumulative misses tracked of course) but will be immediately docked pay or fired for MAKING SHIT UP.

OJ’s defense team might put it like this: IF YOU ASSUMED, THEN YOU ARE DOOMED!

There. Fixed officiating issues.

 

[Merlin]

League needs to pay the position big, build a group of pros that this is all they do, and invest in constant training. Then have an aggressive weeding out program for the ones that don't have it. There would be a lot of churn at the start but at some point they'd be left with a strong core of refs. IMO the system is effed.

 

[Merlin]

Stop making dumb rules.

This too. They're really set up to fail tbh. And there's a group of them that are crooked. I respect Matthews for putting that out there.

 

[Farr Be It]

Sometimes taking a stance for what is right is going to cost you.

Maybe a certain player across town could take note.

 

[gabriel18]

The outcome of many games are being determined by the zebras . It probably felt good for Matthew's to vent a little . He's been on the wrong side of many bad calls over the years .

 

[Mackeyser]

Oh my goodness.........the refs miss calls. Wait?? What?

Clay Mathews should totally call them out since he has never been out of place on a play, or missed a tackle, or dropped an easy INT, or just fucked up.

Oh man. Please.

People calling out refs are living in glass houses.

The NFL needs to fix this, and they need a better system.

But players calling out refs is like a cheating spouse calling out their spouse for looking at others.

Shut the fuck up!!!

yeah, I totally disagree. Totally. Couldn't disagree more. You know I love ya, bro, but we just gonna disagree on this.

We have the tech to get nearly every call exactly right. There's no excuse not to do it.

So, the Lions might miss the playoffs because of a division game that they got shanked out of...

Players are out there to make plays or not. That's the sport. But the sport becomes less of a sport if the rules change from contest to contest and it does in the NFL. What's holding one week, isn't the next. What's PI in one game, isn't in another. It's nonsense.

Also, part of this is the damned refs via their union acting like emo fucking snowflakes that "oh no, someone clearly saw that my head was up my ass and I missed a call that 80,000 people and millions at home saw clearly, but don't @ me, bro! I gotta teach 11th grade history on Monday!"

Tired of that stupid shit. Refs DESERVE every last minute of criticism. The owners caved during the ref strike (funny, the first two weeks were horrible with replacements. Week 3? Pretty good. Things were looking good. Was a PERFECT time to fire all those assholes like Reagan fired the ATCs and hire those replacement refs full time. That would have fixed so many problems.

Instead, we have the NFL equivalent of a 70s strike zone which is as unknowable as the heart of a 16 year old girl with a crush on two boys at the same time... What's a foul? Who knows. And you KNOW you have a problem when what determines the foul is the crew, not the rules.

And we're supposed to just accept with all this tech and all these angles... that the GAME and this multi-BILLION dollar industry can innovate on helmets, turf, other equipment, headsets, Surface tablets, NextGen stats, etc... but we're supposed to stick with the analog refereeing?

Like who needs this HD shit when we could have all VHS, amirite???

Sorry to all the analog folks, but I'm fully HD digital in this bitch. The minute they can turn the refs into glorified ushers where AI and a crew in NY determine the calls, I think the game will be 10x better.

Why? Because every second fan is talking about the refereeing or feeling like shit because they got jobbed by the refs, is a second they aren't feeling positive about the league, aren't watching, aren't buying, aren't having excited conversations, but negative ones.

It's asking for trouble and when you ask for trouble, you always get a larger helping than you asked for...

 

[Zodi]

Entire Patriots team can wear Goodell Clown shirts to their SB parade with no repercussions but Matthews tweets about the officiating this season (which everyone agrees has just gotten worse) and he's fined?

This league is a joke. Wouldnt wanna hurt the zebra's feelings.

 

[LesBaker]

Entire Patriots team can wear Goodell Clown shirts to their SB parade with no repercussions but Matthews tweets about the officiating this season (which everyone agrees has just gotten worse) and he's fined?

This league is a joke. Wouldnt wanna hurt the zebra's feelings.

That never happened.

 

[Ramstien]

The problem is that there is no accountability for these guys when they don't preform adequately. Oh, I'm sorry, I almost forgot the ones that make the fewest mistakes get to do the playoff games. I'm not saying I could do any better because I can not keep up with these professional athletes, either. I've said for years that these officials are ruining the game but it appears that only the players and us fans seem to care. Screw this human element Bullshit. Matthews can just write this fine off on his taxes, I'm glad he is a Ram.

 

[CGI_Ram]

https://www.nj.com/jets/2019/10/here-are-the-stats-that-prove-nfl-refs-are-ruining-the-game.html
Here are the stats that prove NFL refs are ruining the game

Well, there might be a reason for that — the officiating.

Check out these numbers from longtime NFL analyst Rick Gosselin:


View: https://twitter.com/RickGosselin9/status/1184112634750210048


He raises a terrific point, and it’s especially noteworthy coming out of Monday night’s game in Green Bay, where the Lions were robbed of a win by crummy officiating. They lost, 23-22.

Most notable were two hands to the face flags on Lions defensive end Trey Flowers, who very clearly did not commit a penalty on those plays. The Lions were furious about the flags.

“Extremely pissed off right now,” safety Tracy Walker told reporters. “Disappointed. Hurt. We had that game. There was some awful, awful calls, but we got to play through that.”

Let’s point out the obvious here: A lot of penalty flags in a game doesn’t mean every call was wrong. And it doesn’t even mean a large number of calls were wrong.

But in general, over-officiating — ticky-tack calls, if you will — slows the pace of games and makes them less entertaining. And in the case of a game like Lions-Packers, two terrible calls — like the ones that went against Flowers — can completely rob a team of a win.

Consider Sunday’s Cowboys-Jets game, too. The Cowboys were flagged nine times for 68 yards, the Jets eight times for 105 yards. That’s 173 total penalty yards.

Jets fans were happy to get Adam Gase’s first win, of course. But the end of the game was particularly awful, in terms of its pace.

There were total 10 penalties — including declined/offsetting flags — in the fourth quarter alone. Just after the two-minute warning, on a Cowboys drive, there were penalties on six straight plays. Yes, six straight plays with a penalty flag. What’s the fun in watching that?

The data in that piece - all by itself - indicates there is a problem.

 

[LesBaker]

https://www.nj.com/jets/2019/10/here-are-the-stats-that-prove-nfl-refs-are-ruining-the-game.html
Here are the stats that prove NFL refs are ruining the game

Well, there might be a reason for that — the officiating.

Check out these numbers from longtime NFL analyst Rick Gosselin:


View: https://twitter.com/RickGosselin9/status/1184112634750210048


He raises a terrific point, and it’s especially noteworthy coming out of Monday night’s game in Green Bay, where the Lions were robbed of a win by crummy officiating. They lost, 23-22.

Most notable were two hands to the face flags on Lions defensive end Trey Flowers, who very clearly did not commit a penalty on those plays. The Lions were furious about the flags.

“Extremely pissed off right now,” safety Tracy Walker told reporters. “Disappointed. Hurt. We had that game. There was some awful, awful calls, but we got to play through that.”

Let’s point out the obvious here: A lot of penalty flags in a game doesn’t mean every call was wrong. And it doesn’t even mean a large number of calls were wrong.

But in general, over-officiating — ticky-tack calls, if you will — slows the pace of games and makes them less entertaining. And in the case of a game like Lions-Packers, two terrible calls — like the ones that went against Flowers — can completely rob a team of a win.

Consider Sunday’s Cowboys-Jets game, too. The Cowboys were flagged nine times for 68 yards, the Jets eight times for 105 yards. That’s 173 total penalty yards.

Jets fans were happy to get Adam Gase’s first win, of course. But the end of the game was particularly awful, in terms of its pace.

There were total 10 penalties — including declined/offsetting flags — in the fourth quarter alone. Just after the two-minute warning, on a Cowboys drive, there were penalties on six straight plays. Yes, six straight plays with a penalty flag. What’s the fun in watching that?

This is a stupid article and a fucked up premise.

The refs are "ruining the game" for throwing a flag when a player breaks the rules???

That's what they are SUPPOSED to do!!!

Players try to get away with as much fudging as they possibly can, the refs are there to check them. I agree there has to be a better way, and things can certainly improve, but "ruining the game" is just fucking a clickbait theme.

Too many penalties? OK what happens when the refs miss a call? How many times do we see someone complain about Donald not getting holding calls? All the time. But when a flag gets thrown in another game or against the Rams many of those same people complain there are too many penalties.

Saints fans anyone? But of course no Rams fans will want to debate that.........it's always "well they had their chance to win the game" when in fact their chance to win the game was taken away from them. But Saints fans get called "whiny bitches" for pointing out and complaining about a blatantly bad no-call.

Calls get missed, bad calls get made. It's been that way since before the forward pass was invented. Complaining about this is as bad as saying the games are rigged.

The writer should be slapped in the balls for this. The refs aren't ruining the game. Nothing is ruining the game.

 

[LesBaker]

This.

I have touting this for years but will put it a different way.

If these guys worked for me, I’d gather them up in a huge conference room and tell them I fixed everything. JUST DON’T CALL WHAT YOU DON’T SEE! Fixed. Let’s go to lunch.

I’d say they will not be punished harshly for missing a clear foul (cumulative misses tracked of course) but will be immediately docked pay or fired for MAKING SHIT UP.

OJ’s defense team might put it like this: IF YOU ASSUMED, THEN YOU ARE DOOMED!

There. Fixed officiating issues.

And then every fan will complain that they are missing calls.

League needs to pay the position big, build a group of pros that this is all they do, and invest in constant training. Then have an aggressive weeding out program for the ones that don't have it. There would be a lot of churn at the start but at some point they'd be left with a strong core of refs. IMO the system is effed.

Full time refs, with accountability and a "bench" in place for refs that get benched is a must.

But calls will still get fucked up.

Tired of that stupid shit. Refs DESERVE every last minute of criticism. The owners caved during the ref strike (funny, the first two weeks were horrible with replacements. Week 3? Pretty good. Things were looking good. Was a PERFECT time to fire all those assholes like Reagan fired the ATCs and hire those replacement refs full time. That would have fixed so many problems.

The NFL caved because of massive and intense pressure from media and fans about how bad the replacement refs were when in fact they were essentially the same.

The problem is the refs union. They don't want accountability. This organization should be disbanded. Refs should NOT be treated as a separate entity, they should work for the NFL and be directly accountable to the league in the form of a division that oversees them, not a union that protects them.

 

[Zodi]

That never happened.

You're right. Patricia wore the shirt, Amendola wore a "fire Goodell" hat and Brady hung a "Roger That" shirt off his float. So yeah, three big names from a Superbowl winning team openly mocking the commissioner, zero fines.

 

[LesBaker]

You're right. Patricia wore the shirt, Amendola wore a "fire Goodell" hat and Brady hung a "Roger That" shirt off his float. So yeah, three big names from a Superbowl winning team openly mocking the commissioner, zero fines.

Patricia wore it on the plane home.

The Roger That t-shirts IIRC were being sold at the parade and a fan probably tossed it up there.

Same with the hat DA had on. And from reading about it that's kind of confirmed because in several shots he isn't wearing it.

 

[Zodi]

Patricia wore it on the plane home.

The Roger That t-shirts IIRC were being sold at the parade and a fan probably tossed it up there.

Same with the hat DA had on. And from reading about it that's kind of confirmed because in several shots he isn't wearing it.

Yeah doesn't matter. Patricia wore the shirt, Amendola wore the hat, and Brady put the shirt on his float. All more serious than a tweet. Feel free to continue to argue semantics if you'd like, my point is still valid

 

[LesBaker]

Yeah doesn't matter. Patricia wore the shirt, Amendola wore the hat, and Brady put the shirt on his float. All more serious than a tweet. Feel free to continue to argue semantics if you'd like, my point is still valid

It's a rule that refs are off limits. Period.

Every player and coach knows that and they even mention it from podiums post game all the time.

 

[RamFan503]

I haven't been quiet about my opinion that about 10-12 years ago i feel like the NFL game was at it's best. Then the NFL (initially) moved into a more progressive approach to rule and game changes. The 2 point conversion, the OT overhaul, moving back the bathroom break extra point for example. Good things for the game.

Since then it's been a constant barrage of adding more and more "safety"centric and "scoring"centric rules that have, along with the advent of replay completely destroyed game flow to this modern version of pro football.

Add to that, this analysis paralysis culture of watching a game, highlight reels leading off with "controversial call here", and even broadcasters calling a game that way due to the ridiculous high number of subjective calls or non-calls on almost every single play. "Was it? Wasn't it? Let's look at it again. I don't know Todd, lets go the company man who works for the NFL in NY. What do you see Bill?"

IMO it's been borderline toxic to the game. Younger fans have no frame of reference, unless you want to go back a decade or two, or three and watch some full games. It's not a better product today, sorry.

I actually sympathize with the refs on this problem, a little. There is simply too much to manage here for humans. It's a bloated, micro managed rule book and the refs are LOSING...clearly.

One more thing. Is the game really safer than it was 15 years ago with the advent of helmet rules, nerfing kickoffs, horse collars, protecting QB's etc?

In terms of the long term effects of brain injuries it's too soon to make that judgement, but i would be shocked if the data shows that there are less heavy contact type injuries since the NFL decided it was going to make this league safer by adding player safety rules. Pssst...they wanted more scoring and less backup QB's getting PT.

Man.... So well put. Thank you.

Saints fans anyone? But of course no Rams fans will want to debate that.........it's always "well they had their chance to win the game" when in fact their chance to win the game was taken away from them. But Saints fans get called "whiny bitches" for pointing out and complaining about a blatantly bad no-call.

I call bullshit on this. People may have said they had their chance but it was more because we got screwed on earlier potentially game changing missed calls so the Ain'ts didn't have the game taken away from them. If there weren't blatant missed calls earlier in the game, I might agree but this narrative is horse shit.

No Rams fan will want to debate that? GTFO. It has been debated legitimately over and over and most of us have moved on. Maybe you ought to tilt at a different wind mill than your fellow Rams fans.

 

[LesBaker]

I call bullshit on this. People may have said they had their chance but it was more because we got screwed on earlier potentially game changing missed calls so the Ain'ts didn't have the game taken away from them. If there weren't blatant missed calls earlier in the game, I might agree but this narrative is horse shit.

Dude the game was over if the refs make the right call.