Case Keenum makes key mistakes, prompts more Jared Goff questions

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Brisket is the bomb I'll give you that so congrats on that. The only thing I'm worried about is that we won't have a different HC next year, 7-9 is getting old as crap. Especially when we have the talent to be a contender if we didn't have a coach holding our offense back, it's worse then having no talent imo.

I feel ya, Barry. Don't mistake my tolerance for acceptance, though.
I don't really accept these baseball scores we keep rolling out every week.
If I didn't have brisket and herb, I'd probably be carving up inflatable Viking lawn ornaments too.

 

[Barrison]

I feel ya, Barry. Don't mistake my tolerance for acceptance, though.
I don't really accept these baseball scores we keep rolling out every week.
If I didn't have brisket and herb, I'd probably be carving up inflatable Viking lawn ornaments too.

Lmfao, whiners lawn ornaments in your case.

 

[oldramfan]

I honestly think Keenum is holding the team back. His accuracy, WR stare downs, bad decision making and noodle arm are killing us. We should have easily won the buffalo game. I don't see how Goff can be worse. Let the kid take his lumps because Keenum is the biggest reason we lost.

 

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I honestly think Keenum is holding the team back. His accuracy, WR stare downs, bad decision making and noodle arm are killing us.

 

[PARAM]

I think most Ram fans like Keenum. He's tough. He's competitive. He seems to have leadership skills. He's won more than he's lost as a Rams starter. And if he buys time for Goff until he's ready, great. But I don't think anybody here should make the mistake of thinking there are people rooting against Keenum. When he's under center, you just wouldn't be a Ram fan if you weren't rooting for him to have success. Catch-22.

Many people point to history. NFL history and Fisher's history. NFL history says, high draft pick QBs used to sit and learn but the advent of the salary cap and a 3 year shelf life for NFL head coaches without postseason participation, that philosophy has changed. Then there's Fisher's history. Defensive minded, old school who believes his defense could keep him in games started by George Plimpton (in his prime of course) and with his own history of sitting high draft pick QBs.

Something's gotta give. I'm betting it'll be Fisher and not history. And I'll leave it at that.

 

[Cullen Bryant]

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[Corbin]

We can all make all the proclamations we want. We can post all the stats we want. We can continue to bemoan the delay of Goff's debut all we want. We can project and predict how much better everything will be once he's put in all we want. But what we can't do is make it happen. So how about this? How about we go ahead and pull for Keenum to do the very best he can and for the team to rally around him until such a time that he's not the QB anymore. As everyone has already pointed out, they didn't go up and draft Goff simply to have him be our future #2. Fisher and Snead have proclaimed that he's the future. They told us that, and they told him that. Keenum even knows that. It's known by everyone. Everywhere.

In the meantime, how about we relax with the confirmation bias. There's no need to keep saying Keenum is a bad QB. There's no need to tear apart every throw the guy makes in order to make the point that Goff would do it better. And there's no need to rip into his arm, his heart, his courage, his mechanics, his field vision, his pocket presence, etc., etc., etc. Everyone here knows that he's a backup QB in this league. Neither Fisher nor Snead said that Keenum is a top 10 QB or even a starting caliber QB. They only said they can win games with him. And guess what? They have. Wasn't pretty, wasn't flashy, wasn't even particularly good. Remember - he's a placeholder. He's there to keep the wheels turning until Goff meets the expectations the staff has for him to become the starter. Can't hurry that along either. Can't insult Fisher into doing it. Can't wish it into existence, and can't speak it into existence. I'm sorry if that takes away all your options, but wouldn't the world (and this board) be a better place if we just accepted the situation and rallied behind the guy who everyone seems to think is a quality, gritty, try-hard? As opposed to making him out to be the anti-Christ of the football world? Find some joy in the little things. Root for the underdog. Try to be cool. Because the alternative isn't working.

Or not. It's just a suggestion. You're all grown men and can do whatever you want, of course.

I'm curious, people aren't happy with Keenum's play and maybe since it's the starting QB position people ( mostly mods) on the site seem to come to their defense for their bad play and post responses such as this about being negative, this site isn't about etc. But where is the defense to Coty Sensabaugh playing like crap? I never heard a mod say anything about Sensabaugh's name being dragged around the mud. I guess it's okay since it's not our starting QB? Or personal opinion has something to do with it that all thought Sensabaugh was doing crap so no moderation?

I like this site and what you built here but where does the split between moderation and personal opinion come in? Something I see I wouldn't envy some of you mods with certain subjects one bit.

 

[Zaphod]

Well, to me it's pretty obvious. Sensabaugh has taken some lumps he's deserved sure. But people don't drag his name into 90% of the threads.

I think the mods want you to express your opinion, but when you're bringing a dead horse to unrelated threads to further an agenda you really have no control over anyway, it kind of prevents positive discussion and analysis.

Ir in other words it tends to get stale and negative. With Coty you have your sensible jokes and that's pretty much it.

 

[-X-]

I'm curious, people aren't happy with Keenum's play and maybe since it's the starting QB position people ( mostly mods) on the site seem to come to their defense for their bad play and post responses such as this about being negative, this site isn't about etc. But where is the defense to Coty Sensabaugh playing like crap? I never heard a mod say anything about Sensabaugh's name being dragged around the mud. I guess it's okay since it's not our starting QB? Or personal opinion has something to do with it that all thought Sensabaugh was doing crap so no moderation?

I like this site and what you built here but where does the split between moderation and personal opinion come in? Something I see I wouldn't envy some of you mods with certain subjects one bit.

A. I'm not a mod. Everyone needs to know this. I specifically requested that I be excluded from those responsibilities when the site Ownership was transferred to CGI. The 'Staff' label under my name is like an honorary thing for being the person who started the site, and because i lend technical support and give advice when it's needed.


B. Do a search of Sensabaugh with my name on this site. I'm the only person who tried to illustrate what a good person he is, and I got ridiculed for it because being a good person doesn't excuse his on-field performance. I even interacted with him on Twitter when he was signed and made him a quick video, of which he was most appreciative. I don't believe in holding players accountable, because there's no such thing. They can't hear me. And even if they could, they wouldn't care. Sometimes I'll snipe a player during the game in the GDT, but it's usually reactionary and i don't harp on it. These ongoing and repetitve complaints accomplish nothing. They only bring down the appearance and vibe of this site. Ongoing and repetitive constructive criticism, however, is awesome. Ongoing and repetitive defense of players from such criticisms is also awesome. That's dialogue and debate. You know the difference. Sites with nothing but complaining and character assaults on players look like garbage. No matter how many bells and whistles they may have.

All I want, dude, is for this site to maintain its integrity and to adhere to the ideals put in place by myself and CGI. That's how we were able to attract so many members and lure guys like the COO of the Organization + players (both past and present) here for interaction. We rep the Rams here. We don't tear them down.

I hope that clears some things up.

 

[dieterbrock]

Well my .02 is that it isn't even about Goff for me any more. If we hadn't drafted him, I'd prefer to see Mannion at this point. It's just blatantly obvious that Keenum doesn't have the goods, so let someone else play. Fisher sure didn't show this loyalty to his RB's, from Richardson to Stacy, Stacy to Mason and then Mason to Gurley. Yet for some reason, he's unwilling to make change at the most important position on the field.
I hear what you're saying @-X- that bitching wont change things. But devil's advocate says that rooting for Keenum wont change the outcome either.

 

[jap]

I would hope that everyone is aware that if Jared gets the call, he will have to endure his own NFL initiation period. All NFL DC's throw everything & the kitchen sink at rookie QB's. If Jared is to be purified, it will have to be under fire. The Horns' coaching brass can mitigate this somewhat by calling plays to suit Goff's strengths, but he is gonna be harassed nevertheless. We would have to hope he doesn't absorb a vicious shot that ends his season prematurely, and he's gonna have to use his first NFL off-season to muscle up for the future wars.

However, if Jared can find his fly guys at intermediate & deep distances on a fairly consistent basis, the most grateful beneficiaries will be Todd and his OL.

 

[Fatbot]

Maybe it's just time to ban Goff threads like the days of Bradford threads? Seems every thread has hit the rut of the same formula and pattern (now complete with the off-topic "value of bitching" lectures) so not adding much in the way of enlightened discourse?

 

[dieterbrock]

Maybe it's just time to ban Goff threads like the days of Bradford threads? Seems every thread has hit the rut of the same formula and pattern (now complete with the off-topic "value of bitching" lectures) so not adding much in the way of enlightened discourse?

Can we still have Keenum needs to be benched threads? Lol

 

[LACHAMP46]

I would hope that everyone is aware that if Jared gets the call, he will have to endure his own NFL initiation period.

That's all most want...Lets see....he could be Dan Marino....he could be Akili Smith...He could be Ryan Leaf, David Carr....Lets see...

 

[Dieter the Brock]

I'm curious, people aren't happy with Keenum's play and maybe since it's the starting QB position people ( mostly mods) on the site seem to come to their defense for their bad play and post responses such as this about being negative, this site isn't about etc. But where is the defense to Coty Sensabaugh playing like crap? I never heard a mod say anything about Sensabaugh's name being dragged around the mud. I guess it's okay since it's not our starting QB? Or personal opinion has something to do with it that all thought Sensabaugh was doing crap so no moderation?

I like this site and what you built here but where does the split between moderation and personal opinion come in? Something I see I wouldn't envy some of you mods with certain subjects one bit.

God Bless you Sir
Fucking spot on

 

[Corbin]

A. I'm not a mod. Everyone needs to know this. I specifically requested that I be excluded from those responsibilities when the site Ownership was transferred to CGI. The 'Staff' label under my name is like an honorary thing for being the person who started the site, and because i lend technical support and give advice when it's needed.


B. Do a search of Sensabaugh with my name on this site. I'm the only person who tried to illustrate what a good person he is, and I got ridiculed for it because being a good person doesn't excuse his on-field performance. I even interacted with him on Twitter when he was signed and made him a quick video, of which he was most appreciative. I don't believe in holding players accountable, because there's no such thing. They can't hear me. And even if they could, they wouldn't care. Sometimes I'll snipe a player during the game in the GDT, but it's usually reactionary and i don't harp on it. These ongoing and repetitve complaints accomplish nothing. They only bring down the appearance and vibe of this site. Ongoing and repetitive constructive criticism, however, is awesome. Ongoing and repetitive defense of players from such criticisms is also awesome. That's dialogue and debate. You know the difference. Sites with nothing but complaining and character assaults on players look like garbage. No matter how many bells and whistles they may have.

All I want, dude, is for this site to maintain its integrity and to adhere to the ideals put in place by myself and CGI. That's how we were able to attract so many members and lure guys like the COO of the Organization + players (both past and present) here for interaction. We rep the Rams here. We don't tear them down.

I hope that clears some things up.

I stand corrected sir. Damn good post.

 

[Dieter the Brock]

B. Ongoing and repetitive constructive criticism, however, is awesome. Ongoing and repetitive defense of players from such criticisms is also awesome. That's dialogue and debate. You know the difference. Sites with nothing but complaining and character assaults on players look like garbage. No matter how many bells and whistles they may have.

All I want, dude, is for this site to maintain its integrity and to adhere to the ideals put in place by myself and CGI. That's how we were able to attract so many members and lure guys like the COO of the Organization + players (both past and present) here for interaction. We rep the Rams here. We don't tear them down.

I hope that clears some things up.

this is not 100% true though as you and I know.
I've seen numerous satirical comments and hunorous views about game results immediately condemned as "anger" or those of us with valid rational critisicms being told they have small dicks or don't have a life or labelled as "bitching" -- it's repulsive

 

[Dieter the Brock]

This response -x- made to OldRamfan proves my point exactly
This response is nothing more than condescending -- it's belittling to Oldramfan who is just talking Ram football
What is this sort of thing sccomplishing in your world vision ? Cause i think it's sort of f'd up

* i'm chill by the way, don't need the pill buttom

 

[-X-]

This response -x- made to OldRamfan proves my point exactly
This response is nothing more than condescending -- it's belittling to Oldramfan who is just talking Ram football
What is this sort of thing sccomplishing in your world vision ? Cause i think it's sort of f'd up

* i'm chill by the way, don't need the pill buttom

Get over it, Sally.

 

[Pancake]

Running a website like this must be a lot like coaching kids sports. Your taking your time and making an effort to give something back. Your not payed for what you do. And at the end of it all there is never going to be 100% satisfaction or appreciation for your efforts. There will always be those few parents who think your doing it all wrong and never stop and say thank you for what you do. They could do it themselves of course but they never seem to have the time for that. But if they could stand in your shoes they might realize how it can wear you down and make you not want to do it anymore.