CAP Space for AD?
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I've been pretty much saying all along that even if they agree to a new contract before camp, it wasn't likely to go into affect until 2019. Rams would be crazy to not take advantage of this years 5'th year option. Waiting to sign him for another season also gives us an extra year of him being a Ram. jmo.
True. A Joyner extension might be a big one. Barron maybe if they extend him. Brockers could be on the table as well.
I think we might be able to throw 8-10 extra his way this year and that's if we don't sign anybody else...
Pretty damn positive we sign him before OTA's and most will have to be offset the last years obviously. We have a 100 million next year of free cap so maybe 25 million ding next year for AD? Either way Demoff has got his shit together and this is child's play compared to the cap nightmare he came into.
Pretty damn positive we sign him before OTA's and most will have to be offset the last years obviously. We have a 100 million next year of free cap so maybe 25 million ding next year for AD? Either way Demoff has got his shit together and this is child's play compared to the cap nightmare he came into.
simonblaze
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You aint lyin my Ram Brother...the good ol JZ and Charlie Armey days...
bwdenverram
Legend
My guess is this year is low but next year we have a ton of cap space so it'll likely be spread out in the coming years. But I'm sure he'll get one hell of a signing bonus.
Unless we release (e,g, Webster) or restructure (e.g. Joyner, Saffold, Barron) anybody else - it looks like there is only @$7M remaining cap space. It will be interesting to see if Rams give Donald a decent increase in 2018
or wait until 2019 to give him full compensation. I could see a scenario where Suh making more than Donald in 2018 could be a point of contention for the Donald camp - but I trust the Rams when they say this has already been accounted for. I want a highly motivated Donald in 2018.
or wait until 2019 to give him full compensation. I could see a scenario where Suh making more than Donald in 2018 could be a point of contention for the Donald camp - but I trust the Rams when they say this has already been accounted for. I want a highly motivated Donald in 2018.
As long as Torry keeps his hands out of the picture, I'm fine... (waiting on all the Holt and Baldinger pics.../shudder)
It won't be a point of contention for AD because they have been talking with him throughout.
AD KNOWS he's going to get paid.
Now, if they'd given Suh $20M... then, he'd have every right to be upset, but they stuck to their budget (granted at the very edge of it...)
You won’t know until after the draft.
No need to play that card until its time. The card changed as we’ve been witnessing.
There is plenty of Money to get Donald Signed long term.
And I have ran the numbers a few times. I've detailed it in other threads.
Now signing OBJ isn't going to happen. I can tell you that, unless he wants to take a 1year contract or less than he could make elsewhere.
And I have ran the numbers a few times. I've detailed it in other threads.
Now signing OBJ isn't going to happen. I can tell you that, unless he wants to take a 1year contract or less than he could make elsewhere.
nighttrain
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what if he plays for his 5th year option with a contract for the next season that's OK w with him?
I think the main thing for AD is the guaranteed money. If we can lock him up for 4-5 years with enough guaranteed money and signing bonus, I think that might be the solution. But I'm not sure what AD is asking for. Hopefully he's not being unreasonable and asking for a Kirk Cousins contract.
He can get paid when it's time for him to get paid. The Rams are within their rights to take that 5th year option. It's not like the guy isn't making huge money from Ads and sponsors. The man is making some serious bank.
I don't know why these players are so entitled. Same with OBJ. Kid was hurt all year and acts the fool in the off-season and now is making a spectacle of himself. That's what the entitled attitude is getting us nowadays, these guys aren't Role Models anymore.
WestCoastRam
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I feel like I've read things where Demoff structures contracts as "pay as you go." That's pretty consistent from what I've seen with contracts from him, I think.
What might this look like with Donald?
From a CBS Sports article:
"Pay as you go
Pay as you go is a relatively new structure teams are starting to embrace. A player's cash and salary cap numbers are the same in each contract year because he is receiving salary guarantees instead of a signing bonus under this model. The first contract year usually consists of a fully guaranteed base salary and a roster bonus due a few days after signing. The second year in the most lucrative pay-as-you-go contracts has a fully guaranteed base and a conditionally guaranteed early roster bonus similar to the conditional salary guarantees in the signing bonus/salary guarantee structure.
There may also be conditional guarantees in the third year. Deals with this structure have higher cap numbers, particularly in the early years, because of the absence of a signing bonus. Since there isn't any signing bonus proration, teams have more cap flexibility. A team won't have any dead money (a cap charge for a player no longer on the roster) if a player is released during the latter years of the deal once the guarantees have expired, provided that his contract hasn't been restructured."
From later in the article it suggests that we were using a Signing bonus/salary guarantee model though along with the pay as you go.
"St. Louis Rams: The signing bonus/salary guarantee model is used most frequently, although Chris Long has a-pay-as-you-go deal. Signing bonuses are typically kept under $5 million with fully guaranteed base salaries in the first two years. Some deals have early roster bonuses (usually before the fifth day of the league year) that can become fully guaranteed. The Rams are comfortable with guarantees that don't have offsets. Fortunately for the Rams, Cortland Finnegan's $3 million 2014 roster bonus guaranteed for skill and injury when he was released has an offset. The Rams will get the $3 million back from the deal he signed with Dolphins."
What might this look like with Donald?
From a CBS Sports article:
"Pay as you go
Pay as you go is a relatively new structure teams are starting to embrace. A player's cash and salary cap numbers are the same in each contract year because he is receiving salary guarantees instead of a signing bonus under this model. The first contract year usually consists of a fully guaranteed base salary and a roster bonus due a few days after signing. The second year in the most lucrative pay-as-you-go contracts has a fully guaranteed base and a conditionally guaranteed early roster bonus similar to the conditional salary guarantees in the signing bonus/salary guarantee structure.
There may also be conditional guarantees in the third year. Deals with this structure have higher cap numbers, particularly in the early years, because of the absence of a signing bonus. Since there isn't any signing bonus proration, teams have more cap flexibility. A team won't have any dead money (a cap charge for a player no longer on the roster) if a player is released during the latter years of the deal once the guarantees have expired, provided that his contract hasn't been restructured."
From later in the article it suggests that we were using a Signing bonus/salary guarantee model though along with the pay as you go.
"St. Louis Rams: The signing bonus/salary guarantee model is used most frequently, although Chris Long has a-pay-as-you-go deal. Signing bonuses are typically kept under $5 million with fully guaranteed base salaries in the first two years. Some deals have early roster bonuses (usually before the fifth day of the league year) that can become fully guaranteed. The Rams are comfortable with guarantees that don't have offsets. Fortunately for the Rams, Cortland Finnegan's $3 million 2014 roster bonus guaranteed for skill and injury when he was released has an offset. The Rams will get the $3 million back from the deal he signed with Dolphins."
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He's not entitled. He's the best defensive player in the league and deserves to be paid like it. The rams have had him dirt cheap for 4 years. Time to pay up.
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