Can we NOW be honest about Ramsey?

[Ellard80]

Miscast in this D. No pass rush doesn’t help. He’s still elite. He was the only player on D that put it all out there regardless of the score and record.

Jalen in my mind is still the best defensive back in the NFL. Corner is the hardest position to be elite at, and he does it.

Jalen is one of the greatest players I’ve had the pleasure of watching play.

We fucked up. Period.

maybe.... he pretty much sucked the entire playoff run including the super bowl.

He is still a good football player... but not an elite corner.

 

[dieterbrock]

May not have been elite in the Star role, but sure is elite as a corner
And a thumper in the run game, not common in today's day and age

 

[ottoman89]

May not have been elite in the Star role, but sure is elite as a corner
And a thumper in the run game, not common in today's day and age

It's going to be unbearable to watch next year against physical teams, I'm afraid.

 

[HitStick]

maybe.... he pretty much sucked the entire playoff run including the super bowl.

He is still a good football player... but not an elite corner.

Disagree entirely with him not being elite. In fact, every player in the NFL; as well as, every staff member disagrees with you. Miscast in the star position, sure.

But if Aaron Donald misses his gap or plain out gets beat on a running play, The running back still has to get past the line backers, safety’s, and corners. No harm no foul. Big deal. If Jalen Ramsey gets beat, the only person behind him (if any) is a sub par safety…so it stands out more. Is Aaron Donald not elite for not winning every single play?

 

[snackdaddy]

A F??

Aw Fuck?

 

[Turducken]

Ramsey's talk has always inspired his walk. He matured over the last few years, but he didn't lose his edge. I think it didn't make any sense to hang on through a rebuild year at this stage of his career (maybe 2 or 3 elite years left).

I expect he'll excel in Miami next season (All-Pro) and they will have to pay him at that level through the 2026 season.

 

[OldSchool]

Loved Jalen in horns and appreciate everything he did for us. I'll miss him and his leadership in the secondary.

 

[snackdaddy]

How much of a difference did Ramsey make when he played every game in a 5-12 season? Thats the thing. A lockdown corner is nice but its a position that doesn't have as much impact as an edge rusher, quarterback, running back, elite receiver.

 

[FarNorth]

It's not going to make a difference because we have holes everywhere on defense

Exactly. Even if he still plays at a high level Ramsay is wasted in a D surrounded by holes and question marks. You can't pay an older CB multiple tens of millions in that scenario, you have to fill the holes first.

On the other hand, in Miami, opposite another Pro Bowl CB and in a Fangio defense with a pass rush, Ramsay might well push the D to another level. Which is exactly why they were willing to pay him.

 

[Cjcinec]

Ramsey’s shut down corner skills were not utilized in Raheem Morris’s defense. The Rams played their corners off the ball and opposing offenses used motion and bunch formations to get their receivers free from press coverage. I was never a fan of Jalen Ramsey the person. Rams have to find some corner help that fits their scheme and improve that scheme. As for the compensation I think it was the best deal available at the time and although they might come out and say something different the Rams coaching staff didn’t want to have to deal with Jalen Ramsey’s antics anymore.

 

[brucebruce]

who would have ever thought that rapp's tenure would outlast ramsey's.

 

[Oregonram]

I thought Ramsey played his ass off this year, but he wanted more money and he wanted South Beach. I understand the Rams wanted to do right by him and the guaranteed money limited the offers. I just hope the Rams have a plan and before jumping off the Tallahatchie Bridge I will give it time to see the plan put into place.

You may have to change your handle to Billy Joe Mcallister

 

[Ellard80]

Disagree entirely with him not being elite. In fact, every player in the NFL; as well as, every staff member disagrees with you. Miscast in the star position, sure.

But if Aaron Donald misses his gap or plain out gets beat on a running play, The running back still has to get past the line backers, safety’s, and corners. No harm no foul. Big deal. If Jalen Ramsey gets beat, the only person behind him (if any) is a sub par safety…so it stands out more. Is Aaron Donald not elite for not winning every single play?

you gotta win more than you lose to be elite... with ramsey the last year and a half thats questionable.

 

[Faceplant]

Not even sure what to think of his comment on this...sure seems like he has some beef on his mind. Oh well... Fuck off....


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[El Chapo Jr]

How much of a difference did Ramsey make when he played every game in a 5-12 season? Thats the thing. A lockdown corner is nice but its a position that doesn't have as much impact as an edge rusher, quarterback, running back, elite receiver.

He helped keep us in most games, but that offense really sucked ass last year so that can't be pinned on Ramsey. Defense had its lapses too but fuck did our offense stink. A great coach once got asked, "What do you think of your offense's execution?", the answer of, "I'm all for it!" applied a lot of times last year.

 

[Ram Ts]

I liked having Ramsey and think this deal was a mistake. Having said that, I always expected more from him. He talk and salary didn’t seem to match his play. Maybe that was caused by the scheme idk. But even if that’s the case, no way should a $25M/year CB get burned so much for TDs these last 25 or so games.

 

[PARAM]

All things considered he was one of the top defensive backs we ever had. I won't go so far as to say he was our best CB ever, but he was on the short list.

Didn't have a great 2021 postseason. But he had almost an Aeneas Williams transformative effect in the secondary for Brandon Staley's defense. Fewest yards, fewest passing yards, fewest points.

Big upgrade from Marcus Peters.

Could be at this point, he's a depreciating asset and the time was now to get something for him. I'll respect that.

But I am going to miss him and I think the Rams are too.

CBs aren't really remembered for all the plays they make throughout a game... BUT they are always remembered for the few plays they don't win in a game.

They are on an island... and it's a lonely place compared to the other positions on the field.

I'll say this about Ramsey. We wouldn't have that new banner hanging in SOFI without him. He was worth everything we had to give to get him in Horns. To say he is UNDER APPRECIATED doesn't begin to describe what he meant to this team.

I'm gonna miss blasting "I Got 5 On It" after games now... a lot.

Big Mahalos 5

Miscast in this D. No pass rush doesn’t help. He’s still elite. He was the only player on D that put it all out there regardless of the score and record.

Jalen in my mind is still the best defensive back in the NFL. Corner is the hardest position to be elite at, and he does it.

Jalen is one of the greatest players I’ve had the pleasure of watching play.

We fucked up. Period.

Here's some thoughts.

Ramsey has been a great CB. My one bitch about corners throughout history is they're track stars. Stay with the receiver and break up the pass or drag him down if he catches the ball. Few tackle well but Ramsey excels at it. He tackles like he wants you to remember who tackled you. I love that facet of his play probably more so than his coverage skills, which are also extremely good.

But....corners like that cost money. Was it Snead's/Demoff's fault he became a cap liability? No. They should have low balled him and lost him to UFA a year or two after acquiring him? No. They didn't have to give him that money? Well, only if they wanted to keep him, so yeah they did. And it was a negotiation, as in he and his agent had certain demands.

So let's not blame management for fucking up. Because they didn't. They kept Ramsey on the team long enough to win a SB and try to run it back. It didn't happen and even if it had, he still would have been a cap liability in 2023. It just would have been a little easier to say goodbye with two Lombardi's in the case.

Same with Floyd and Wagner. The latters deal was set up to be a year or two, not the five he signed. I don't know if any of them were asked to renegotiate and if they were, their demands weren't met. So we say thank you and move on. There's another roster to construct.

But the Rams didn't "fuck up". This wasn't a Gurley contract that couldn't be fulfilled by the player. This was a cap issue caused by paying a player what he was worth.

 

[SteezyEndo]

Might as well trade AD to the steelers at this point. I don’t think we will be going anywhere this season its a full on rebuild at this point and we are lacking veteran leadership at some important spots. We are green as hell, going to be interesting to see how this team functions at D without key players. If you all thought the D was bad last season buckle up because it may be worse…

 

[Allen2McVay]

Might as well trade AD to the steelers at this point. I don’t think we will be going anywhere this season its a full on rebuild at this point and we are lacking veteran leadership at some important spots. We are green as hell, going to be interesting to see how this team functions at D without key players. If you all thought the D was bad last season buckle up because it may be worse…

OK ... so you're in the Cautiously Optimistic Group.

 

[PARAM]

Might as well trade AD to the steelers at this point. I don’t think we will be going anywhere this season its a full on rebuild at this point and we are lacking veteran leadership at some important spots. We are green as hell, going to be interesting to see how this team functions at D without key players. If you all thought the D was bad last season buckle up because it may be worse…

So for lacking leadership at key spots on defense, the answer is trade away more leadership? It's been said, Donald's leadership came to the forefront during our 9-1 run at the end of 2021, when Von Miller encouraged AD to be more vocal. He's now THE defensive leadership. We have a lot of young, willing players on that side of the ball, just looking to be led. Might end up being better than the current projections are favoring. I'll gladly buckle up for the ride.