Britain leaves EU. Brexit happens.

[OldSchool]

So the Brock is good because the % is still zero no change

Lol they'll sign one I just won't make any claims to his quality.

 

[bluecoconuts]

The thing is I don't think anyone knows anything, the Brexit campaigners are now saying we should be careful about when and how we leave the Eu. They're hypocrites. Britain is a multicultural multinational nation and it should stay that way.

Commonwealth state citizens can still move there right? I mean there's a huge Indian and Pakistani population there, because they are commonwealth states. So in effect it would be like Trump saying he's going to kick out all the Mexicans and then passing legislation that doesn't apply to Mexicans. Unless I'm mistaken?

 

[ScotsRam]

@shaunpinney and @ScotsRam - does leaving the EU automatically mean the immigrants have to leave country? I don't know enough about the particulars of the change enough to argue one side or the other - never mind the fact that it is none of my damn business as I am not a British citizen. But it seemed to me that the only change is that the British government now self determines their immigration policies.

As far as the pound goes, I'm guessing it will stabilize when the dust clears. I don't like hearing that one of our members here was harmed by the change but I also admit to not knowing how permanent these harms will be.

As far as one people... personally, I view sovereignty as being very important. The idea of a one world government is a frightening proposition as far as I'm concerned. But then I'm someone who believes central governments are the most corrupt entity known to man. I want as little power over my daily life as possible being handed to some huge bureaucratic body. I'd rather have it in the hands of community leaders that I either know or have the opportunity to step into their office to bend their ear. As much as possible, government should be closely linked to those they represent and to whom they should answer.

This, in a nutshell, is what pro-independence Scots have been saying for decades. Being dragged out of the EU against our will (32 out of 32 local authority areas voted to remain in Scotland, 68% vs 32%) is just the straw that breaks the camels back.

But independence for Scotland was an unintended consequence of this. They (brexiters) have started something they can't control.

 

[fearsomefour]

My inheritance took a massive freaking lump today as well but I don't care about that. I can make more money.

What I can't do is explain to my Polish colleague who was crying today why she's apparently no longer welcome here. This is about people, not markets. People are hurting.

Everything is about markets.

 

[bluecoconuts]

From my understanding a big thing was that they would stop immigration or control border, except now they're saying that it will just maybe slow it down ever so slightly, like maybe 1% less than it would have been before.. In fact over the next two years there's a good chance it will increase and a lot of those people will stay (similar to what happened with the U.S. when there was increased border security), Daniel Hannan says people who want less immigration are probably going to be disappointed. The UK already had more control over their borders than other EU countries, in fact now it seems the Mayor of Calais (France) is saying to close down the British border monitoring station and make them do it within the UK instead of in France (which means more immigrants actually in the country)

There was also a bunch of talk about money that's supposed to go to the NHS... £350 million per week, except no, not really, that shouldn't have been said. The EU has indicated it isn't going to be playing nice during any negotiations, and people who want to move/work outside of the UK could be SOL.

Maybe it's me, but breaking off and potentially breaking up the UK thus losing out of NI and Scotland's GDP, doesn't seem to be worth 1-2% less immigration.

I'm trying to catch up by talking to some friends back home and some who are now working in London, it's hard to figure out exactly what was going on. Obviously the ones in Ireland didn't follow as closely, but the general idea I'm getting from them is that there were a lot of false promises and the vote was split based on age... The older a person was the more likely they would want to leave.

 

[Ramhusker]

I was always ignorant of the workings of the EU and GB. I mean GB didn't adopt the Euro and kept its Pound so it seemed from the outside looking in that GB was never "all in" on the EU deal. I'm sure the EU should be freaking out a whole lot more than GB. I mean isn't GB the cash cow to the EU like the US is to the UN?

 

[Ramhusker]

"never mind the fact that it is none of my damn business as I am not a British citizen."

Shame your president doesn't think like you!

209 more days, just 209 more.

 

[Roman Snow]

The EU was an economic idea to bring together the nations within the continent to never again have an intracontinental war. It especially sought to unite Germany and France.

The dictates of open borders from Brussels and the drain of cultural identity and control of borders are the biggest issues here.

Whoever said they were "multicultural" I challenge you to define that term. It is garbage. Foolishness. It is the opposite of the melting pot idea. It seeks to divide.

When people leave their inferior countries to come to America, I want them to love America. Not to seek to bring the inferior countries ideas here. They left there for a reason. Most do love and appreciate the freedom and opportunity here.

Don't get me wrong. Part of your identity is where you came from. But the problem in England is many of the immigrants have not sought to weave themselves into the social fabric, but to set up separate enclaves for themselves.

There's your freakin' multiculturalism. Left wing pap. It breeds mutual distrust and splits societies.

England knows there may be a price. They are not fools.

They want their country back. That is not racism. It is common sense.

 

[shaunpinney]

And you think Joe Bloggs on the street will have this choice? No, it'll be a jumped up politician in Westminster on a power trip. Westminster / Brussells what's the difference.

 

[shaunpinney]

I fear that you are one of the people that have been severely mis-lead and haven't been listening to what Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson or Michael Gove have been spewing over the past few weeks - they ALL said that the money we give to the EU will be pumped into the NHS (which is a lie) I think Farage was te one that said it will be like Britain building a new hospital every week. (Again a lie) this comes from a man from immigrant parents, with an immigrant wife - but that's ok they must be ok immigrants. Coincidentally, Boris has already started to go back on his pre-referendum promises, less than 12 hours since the decision. The chair of the Brexit campaigns business group openly said that it's going to be very difficult for businesses from now on and unless the politicians deal with things correctly British businesses are going to lose money. He basically washed his hands of it all.

All of these things make me worried for Our future and for the future of MY children.

The Eu WILL make an example of the UK, and make it difficult for us, otherwise you'll have other countries holding referendums which will de-stabilise Europe, which nobody wants.

 

[shaunpinney]

The EU was an economic idea to bring together the nations within the continent to never again have an intracontinental war. It especially sought to unite Germany and France.

The dictates of open borders from Brussels and the drain of cultural identity and control of borders are the biggest issues here.

Whoever said they were "multicultural" I challenge you to define that term. It is garbage. Foolishness. It is the opposite of the melting pot idea. It seeks to divide.

When people leave their inferior countries to come to America, I want them to love America. Not to seek to bring the inferior countries ideas here. They left there for a reason. Most do love and appreciate the freedom and opportunity here.

Don't get me wrong. Part of your identity is where you came from. But the problem in England is many of the immigrants have not sought to weave themselves into the social fabric, but to set up separate enclaves for themselves.

There's your freakin' multiculturalism. Left wing pap. It breeds mutual distrust and splits societies.

England knows there may be a price. They are not fools.

They want their country back. That is not racism. It is common sense.

I think you're referring to me here, Britain IS multicultural, for a start were 4 nations, each with their own individualism, being Welsh my mother tongue is different to England. Historically the UK is made up of tribes, each culturally different and you can still recognise those differences through the UK. All of the 'immigrants' I know from the EU DO respect the UKs values and have 'weaved' (as you said) in. Thy are hard working and contribute to our society.

The immigrants that have not, and as you suggest have carved enclaves are not necessarily from the EU. Do you honestly think we're going to stop immigrants entering the uk? No, there will now be a mad panic to get to the UK, if we tighten the borders you create a black market for traffic into the UK.

And talking about immigrants not fitting in, hasn't the leader of the Brexit campaign fitted in? No, he's from immigrant parents, with an immigrant wife, he wants to mould Britain into his vision.

The last time talk like this happened in Europe about immigrants and ethnic cleansing we ended up with a World War.

 

[Mojo Ram]

 

[Roman Snow]

I think you're referring to me here, Britain IS multicultural, for a start were 4 nations, each with their own individualism, being Welsh my mother tongue is different to England. Historically the UK is made up of tribes, each culturally different and you can still recognise those differences through the UK. All of the 'immigrants' I know from the EU DO respect the UKs values and have 'weaved' (as you said) in. Thy are hard working and contribute to our society.

The immigrants that have not, and as you suggest have carved enclaves are not necessarily from the EU. Do you honestly think we're going to stop immigrants entering the uk? No, there will now be a mad panic to get to the UK, if we tighten the borders you create a black market for traffic into the UK.

And talking about immigrants not fitting in, hasn't the leader of the Brexit campaign fitted in? No, he's from immigrant parents, with an immigrant wife, he wants to mould Britain into his vision.

The last time talk like this happened in Europe about immigrants and ethnic cleansing we ended up with a World War.

Shaun,

You are IN the situation, and I am not. So I can only go by what I read. And I try to read all sides.

My statement was not toward you, but more broad. If what I said is not true, I stand corrected. I love Great Britton and want the best for you all. I will be praying for you, and wish you the best.

 

[shaunpinney]

Shaun,

You are IN the situation, and I am not. So I can only go by what I read. And I try to read all sides.

My statement was not toward you, but more broad. If what I said is not true, I stand corrected. I love Great Britton and want the best for you all. I will be praying for you, and wish you the best.

Appreciated, I just we knew a bit more of what's happening / going to happen, the press has been very ying yang on the subject with both sides being woolly. I just hope the whole thing settles and we don't go down the road of becoming a country that closes its doors at the slightest thing. That will only annoy other nations and make us a blatant target for terrorism etc.

 

[Ramhusker]

Shaun,

You are IN the situation, and I am not. So I can only go by what I read. And I try to read all sides.

My statement was not toward you, but more broad. If what I said is not true, I stand corrected. I love Great Britton and want the best for you all. I will be praying for you, and wish you the best.

You sure about that? Your statement reminded me a lot of the US.

 

[Roman Snow]

You sure about that? Your statement reminded me a lot of the US.

True, Husker. That's what I was thinking too, but this isn't the time or place to engage that with him. I just wanted to show him support. Shaun is a good guy, and they are, I'm sure, pretty concerned.

So I will engage with you, my brotha'!
As you could tell, I was just trying to differentiate between a "melting pot" immigration mentality, from a sovereign country, and what they are experiencing, which is forced immigration from heavy Muslim populations, with no affinity to England. That is happening. It is dangerous. And it is why the vote happened.

Much of England is realizing it is not Sovereign, and not just with immigration. There are the giver nations. And the taker nations within the EU. That is socialism. It's starting to put on its ugly.