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LesBaker

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The Rams will be seeing one or both of the Saints and Bears this post season. Right now, as things are today, it's not likely they will see both since they probably wouldn't get past either of them the way things are right now.

Two different statements (don't recall the posters) ring very true.

McVay was baited into giving up on the run to easily. McVay called plays last night like he was down 20 points.

These are separate, but related problems.

Last night we saw what has been discussed on and off this year, and a little last year too. He's got a bit of that Martz passpasspass thing that's dangerous. And last night was a really, really bad time for it. Below freezing against an attacking defense with a QB that was not having his best night and you are on the road in a loud stadium.

McVay could have simply given the ball to Gurley more on draws and screens to slow down the Bears relentless pressure. By calling so many deep drops all he did was let them go after Goff. He complicated the game for his QB and his OL. Having to pass block on 7 step drops so many times started to wear them down and it was evident.

A few plays stand out for me. This certainly isn't all of them, but these are big ones IMO.

On the safety he called a play, a 4 wide formation, with Gurley in the backfield, who left on a pattern right after the ball was snapped. So on a 2nd and 15, an obvious passing situation, from his own 8 yard line he called a play that had his QB drop back to his own goal line with an attacking defense. Now the OL was having a tough game, and Goff was not playing well.

Why make that call? By the way the guy that got to Goff and wrapped him up went right behind Gurley as he left the backfield, had he stayed in he could have blocked him.

On a 2nd and 1 he passed when he could have handed it to Gurley. Why not get the first down on a run? And on a 3rd and 2 he went with an empty backfield pass attempt. It was like he was daring the Bears defense, and they were up to the challenge. That's a play that you call when it's 2nd and 15 or 3rd and 10.

They sold out to stop the run early in the game and McVay did what they figured he would do because it's his tendency. They baited him into going into passpasspass mode. And as another poster pointed out play action doesn't work without the threat of a run. And it's hard to pull off when youer opponent is in Nickel defense most of the night.

One other play that I will mention because it amplifies the Red Zone issues that keep popping up. On 3rd and 4 at the Bears 9 yard line after the Peters INT he called an empty backfield play that resulted in Goff almost taking a sack but he was able to throw it away. Why not keep Gurley in if you are going to throw it? He's an excellent blocker.

I like our teams HC a lot. He's been fantastic and I want him to be the HC for a long, long time. But he has crossed a line and become reckless about his play calling and seems to ignore the situation he is in, like he isn't in the moment.

I hope someone who is a mentor to him calls him today and gives him some uplifting words and let's him know that he has to learn from his mistakes in order to get better. Not just to talk about it, but actually effect change.
 

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I have a theory that his play calling might be because he doesn't trust the defense and he feels compelled to get way out in front to cover it.
 

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I have a theory that his play calling might be because he doesn't trust the defense and he feels compelled to get way out in front to cover it.

Well that theory wen't right out the window last night. We held our last two opponents to 16 and 15 points the last two weeks. Defense has been doing their job.
 

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Meh. I hope everybody feels better after getting this stuff off their chests. I am just hoping it was a conservative game plan (simple route concepts) against a team we may face later in the season. Hard to fathom some of the calls for sure, but the way Goff and crew were playing, I am not sure it would have mattered what McVay dialed up. The execution was down right pathetic.
 

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Seemed that McVay was absolutely determined to get a kill shot. When that didn’t happen he doubled down...over and over again. I suspect if the game was still going, the play calling wouldn’t have changed.
 

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I’d rather lose to playoff teams having great defensive efforts than lose and perform bad against a garbage team like Tampa. I haven’t lost any confidence in the team or it’s coaches.
 

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Rams lost to the Bears and Saints on the road. We lost to the Bears by 9 and the Saints by 10.

We also beat the Seahawks twice, the Chargers, the Chiefs and the Vikings.

I can't wait until we stomp the Eagles so people can forget about this game. Our offense had an off night. It happens.
 

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I hope someone who is a mentor to him calls him today and gives him some uplifting words and let's him know that he has to learn from his mistakes in order to get better. Not just to talk about it, but actually effect change.
Could be this is already in the works remember this...............with this recent article on former Texas Tech coach Kliff Kingsbury
https://www.newsweek.com/rams-interested-kliff-kingsbury-report-1240491
"The Los Angeles Rams reportedly "reached out" to Kingsbury last week after he was fired by Texas Tech and have discussed bringing him in as an offensive assistant/consultant"
 

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Could be this is already in the works remember this...............with this recent article on former Texas Tech coach Kliff Kingsbury
https://www.newsweek.com/rams-interested-kliff-kingsbury-report-1240491
"The Los Angeles Rams reportedly "reached out" to Kingsbury last week after he was fired by Texas Tech and have discussed bringing him in as an offensive assistant/consultant"

I think that's off the table now that Kingsbury agreed to be the coach at USC. Not sure tho...
 

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I’d rather lose to playoff teams having great defensive efforts than lose and perform bad against a garbage team like Tampa. I haven’t lost any confidence in the team or it’s coaches.

Ditto.

This team has also beaten a sure-fire playoff team in KC, beaten likely playoff teams San Diego and San Diego. And if the Rams don't get royally screwed on a bad spot, the Saints game could have been different. If anything, the Saints were lucky to escape after we handed them a 21 point lead which they ended up blowing.

The Bears are the only team this season that has truly "handled" us, and while I give their defense all the credit it deserves, the Rams didn't help themselves at all with poor offensive play and lousy gameplanning/playcalling. But if we see them again this season, it will likely be in the Coliseum, and given McVay's obsessive nature, I doubt the result will look anything like what it did last night.
 

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Rams lost to the Bears and Saints on the road. We lost to the Bears by 9 and the Saints by 10.

We also beat the Seahawks twice, the Chargers, the Chiefs and the Vikings.

I can't wait until we stomp the Eagles so people can forget about this game. Our offense had an off night. It happens.
We must see by now Barron is not up to playoff football. Last 3 games must be used to find out who can wrap up and tackle. It's now embarrassing to watch. Other players like who our backup RB is going to be must get locked in. Lot's to still find out before we are win or out. Saints are showing cracks also. Refs are too involved this season. We can win in Nawlins if we start from first possession. OL must regain it's confidence and execution must improve across the board. Suh & Brockers must do MORE each play.
 

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Seemed that McVay was absolutely determined to get a kill shot. When that didn’t happen he doubled down...over and over again. I suspect if the game was still going, the play calling wouldn’t have changed.

I agree he was forcing it in really cold conditions with an OL that was overmatched and against a defense playing nickel most downs.
 

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We must see by now Barron is not up to playoff football. Last 3 games must be used to find out who can wrap up and tackle. It's now embarrassing to watch. Other players like who our backup RB is going to be must get locked in. Lot's to still find out before we are win or out. Saints are showing cracks also. Refs are too involved this season. We can win in Nawlins if we start from first possession. OL must regain it's confidence and execution must improve across the board. Suh & Brockers must do MORE each play.

I'm there with ya about Barron. He just doesn't have it anymore. I would love to see Kiser out there.
 

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And for those freaking out about the loss and the bad game or however they want to describe it just have one fact for you all to consider. The last four Super Bowl winners all had a loss where they failed to score a touchdown.
 
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I think he's giving Gurley minimal touches to preserve him for the playoffs. Might pay off in the end.
 

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And for those freaking out about the loss and the bad game or however they want to describe it just have one fact for you all to consider. The last four Super Bowl winners all had a loss where they failed to score a touchdown.

It's not that.........it was the way it went down. Only two teams have been undefeated in the regular season, and 3 or 4 had only 1 loss I think.

I was expecting another loss along the way somewhere.........any given Sunday is a fact and even AZ and SF could pull one out against the Rams the game is fickle like that. But to lose a game that way is no fun in the worst way. To me it feels like the Rams gave it to them.

There are three games left against poor teams, and the margin for error is zero. If the Rams win out and the Saints drop a game I'll be happy. And if McVay never calls another game like this against an elite defense I'll be even happier.
 

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It's not that.........it was the way it went down. Only two teams have been undefeated in the regular season, and 3 or 4 had only 1 loss I think.

I was expecting another loss along the way somewhere.........any given Sunday is a fact and even AZ and SF could pull one out against the Rams the game is fickle like that. But to lose a game that way is no fun in the worst way. To me it feels like the Rams gave it to them.

There are three games left against poor teams, and the margin for error is zero. If the Rams win out and the Saints drop a game I'll be happy. And if McVay never calls another game like this against an elite defense I'll be even happier.
You think those four teams fans weren’t pissed off about that one game too? Those whole 11-2 season has been one long vent thread for Rams fans it comical at this point. Anytime I browse the predict the score thread I know things aren’t going to change. There were people predicting 20+ margins of victory last night!
 

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Good or bad play calling aside, both our O-Line and defensive front seven got manhandled for the better part of the game. Coaches can come up with a great play call, but if the players don't execute their assignments, it's going to fail more times than not. I'll agree some of the play calling had me wondering WTH, but IMO the game came down to getting punched in the mouth and we never really responded. We were on our heals most of the night. It just wasn't going to be, so we need to win out and gain so much needed momentum heading into the playoffs.
 

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....................I can't wait until we stomp the Eagles so people can forget about this game. Our offense had an off night. It happens.
I sure hope we will be able to do just that, however from what I have seen the last two Sundays I have serious doubt.

I would suspect that our OL will have the same kind of nasty issues that it had last night maybe worse. The Eagles front is just as good as the Bears if not better & there is a chance that DT Tim Jerigan will have a good chance to play. Eagles came very close to taking down Division leader Dallas. I am leaning to expect another loss by this trending downward Rams team this Sunday. The Eagles who are still in the running for the 6th playoff seed. If there is a stomping in LA this Sunday it won't be the Rams doing it.:sadwalk: